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Subject: Why other spartans will not be included in halo 3
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Dude, there has to be more spartans.
Like, just showing one spartan taking on millions of aliens and crap?
At least add some cameos to more spartans or something, and yea, the game and book are together, the only problem was the books came after Halo 1.

  • 06.07.2006 10:46 PM PDT
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I really like how this guy walks around with an air of authority telling us what will and won't be in Halo 3. Get a clue, fool.

  • 06.07.2006 10:52 PM PDT
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i think you are going about it all wrong, they dont have to be included in your immediate area while your fighting or anything, i mean at one pnt they could meet up with the chief and then take off to do something else, the cheif would still be by himself and that would retain the epic quality

ok, if he returned with them to the station and then they caught up with him, how owuld that be a plot hole?

  • 06.07.2006 10:53 PM PDT
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it would only be a plot hole if
1. we can assume that the books and the games are running the same overall plot and..
2. if it is made to look like a surprise to the Chief that other Spartans are still alive.

Most gamers of the Halo series probably havent read the books, and therefore arent aware that other Spartans "may" still exist.

All I'm saying is that the way the games are set up, I wouldnt think that other Spartans would be introduced in Halo 3, although I would love to see it happen.
But, if you look at the whole plot line, books included, then I feel they should definitely bring other Spartans into the game, playable or not, I dont care. I think it would give us a chance to see the emotional side of Chief, which has rarely surfaced at all thus far in the games.

  • 06.07.2006 11:00 PM PDT
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Lets face it, EARTH is being overruned and destroyed...I think there "needs" to be more spartans

  • 06.07.2006 11:04 PM PDT
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All I want in Halo 3 is to have Co-op online AND offline. with the system link thing. I really hate having to share a split-screen with a friend. It takes away from the view and the structures. 4 player co-op would be just fine for me or the least would be 2.

  • 06.07.2006 11:22 PM PDT
Subject: Why other Spartans will not be included in halo 3

C.R.E.A.M.

Making invincible characters -blam!-s up the gameplay way more than characters who can die multiple times, and mess up the story line. In halo 1 you could have killed johnson around three times, yet he was there til the end. How many people complained about that? Not nearly as many as have complained about the invicible characters. I hope they go with halo 1, not halo 2's style of dealing with NPC's.

  • 06.07.2006 11:33 PM PDT
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Another Spartan? I think it shouldn't be dismissed simply because of the novels. There were plenty of references in the games that ties in with the novels.

At the end of Halo: First Strike, the remaining Spartans except Kelley were en route to Earth with the MC. It seems pointless now for them to not be on the front lines.

But, this whole topic can be simplied with a FL surfer grom's post that the Halo novels were written based off Bungie's Halo Bible, which is the canon story. Kudos to Kahnos' signature as well. For those who fear another Spartan would ruin the gameplay, who's to say a Spartan has to be in gameplay? A Spartan could be simply seen within cutscenes. I would disagree with adding more playable character perspectives. The MC and The Arbiter is enough for me.

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  • 06.07.2006 11:39 PM PDT
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As far as I know, it says official on all the 3 books, also, as allready been said, it was belived that in Halo CE that Masterchief is the last spartan, BUT, where in Halo 2 does it say that Masterchief is the last one? One who haven't played Halo CE will belive that there are more spartans out there because there are small hints here and there pointing at the possability of more spartans. So I won't be suprised if there are more spartans in Halo 3.

  • 06.07.2006 11:45 PM PDT
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I dont believe there will be other Spartans because

1.Halo is supposed to be about the battle of the lone Spartan Master Cheif

2.Bungie would have to actually work on human AI!

  • 06.07.2006 11:58 PM PDT
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I posted this in another topic, and it still stands:

I don't know why this is hard for people to get, but- when the manual for Halo CE was written, in the Halo universe, it was THOUGHT that MC was the last Spartan- we didn't find out that he wasn't until First Strike, which happened AFTER the events of Halo CE.

I mean, for real people. If I am reading a manual for a video game about Lord of the Rings, Fellowship of the Ring, and it is like, Gandalf is dead. And then I play Two Towers, the sequel, and Gandalf shows up, I'm not going to be like "OMG WTF THEY SAID HE WAS DEAD!!!11!!!"

It's called a sequential storyline. Yeesh.

Also, for the people that say the books aren't related- how does that make sense? The books DRIVE the storyline to the games. Fall of Reach sets up all the events for Halo CE- MC being the "last" Spartan, Cortana leading them to the Halo because of an artifact that was found, the makings of the Human-Covenant war. Were you still able to understand Halo CE without reading Fall of Reach?? My guess is that you were- why? Because Bungie knows how to tell a good story, and can help 1)catch people up, or 2)cleverly fill in the gaps.

Likewise, for Halo 2, the prophets and grunts, as well as High Charity were all introduced in First Strike- heck, the end of the book leads straight into Halo 2, and helps give major clues as to the relationship between Tartarus and Truth. Were you still able to understand Halo 2? Yup. You might as well say that Halo 2 can't be included in Halo 3 because you don't want to confuse people that didn't play it.

As for whether or not Spartans will show up in Halo 3- I think you can count on it. I'm looking for Bungie to heavily include co-op as part of the main storyline, which will probably be a few missions with the remaining Spartans. I mean, how can the Spartans not be there? This is where the final showdown is going on- why would they be anywhere else? And no, this won't be confusing- Bungie can catch up non-readers in a few handy lines of dialogue in a cut scene. Imagine that :)

For some reason, people think that Bungie is totally incapable of being good storytellers and, with but a mere exchange of words, can fill in people that don't know what's going on.

  • 06.08.2006 12:02 AM PDT
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Someone pointed out earlier that Tartarus was in the books before Halo 2 and apparently Eric Nylund (great sci-fi writer btw, read his other stuff like "Signal to Noise") did a great job of making things fit (although it might well be a more direct collaboration, I dunno much about this "Halo Bible" thing but I think it's possible). But keep in mind, the Halo story is HUGE and there is way too much left untied to not include some new characters (besides Cortana, the Arbiter, and MC), at least in cutscenes, because so much in the game would be unexplainable. As for gameplay, I seriously doubt the other Spartans will be playable in campaign, because when MC has a score to settle, he does it alone. Although parts of the campaign playable as different Spatans would be a great way to tie in the story, plus, Bungie is good at condensinga lot of story in a little cutscene when it comes down to it, they're pros, like pwnoccio said above. In multiplayer I bet they will include a female Spartan character model: I'm sure clans like PMS would like it or may have even requested it. I'm also guessing that the key to "the Ark" might be in the hands of Dr. Halsey (remember her?) which would explain her expedition at the end of First Strike. I can't clearly recall which Spartan she took with her, but she could definitely make an appearance. In the end, anything is possible: It's the last installment of a huge epic, and it's Bungie. There will be a lot of stuff culminating and It'll be all out no-holds-barred end to an epic. Think Return of the King (though I'm sure it'll be much more enjoyable than that hour long, drawn-out, "Oh, Sam!" ending.) Anything can happen, and all we can do is sit here and blow smoke up our butts until it does.

P.S. Will we ever see Master Chief's face before the end?

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  • 06.08.2006 12:15 AM PDT

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I have a feeling that there will be another or perhaps more spartans playable in Halo 3. For those that say this is Master Chief's battle and noone else's - really?? then what was the arbiter?? As for ruining the game, hardly. It will add more depth to the story line, different missions, and situations. you could be another spartan half way around the world looking for some super weapon to help with the fight while the MC is kicking ass in Africa. Anyways I realize these are just theories but don't be so definitive as to what you think will happen cause only Bungie and Shishka know. And for those who say that there will absolutley not be any other spartans in Halo 3, could I borrow your copy?? I'm really dying to play it.

  • 06.08.2006 12:45 AM PDT

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Okay this is not the last time I'm gonna say this I dont think they will be NPC's. I think they will be playable. So rather than it relying on AI it will be more like LoI (lack of intelligence).

  • 06.08.2006 12:56 AM PDT
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I think they will be playable in some kind of co-op form, NOT as a different POV, like the Arbiter. There are rumors (and I hope they're true) of Halo 3 having a HUGE emphasis on Co-Op play, due to the success of X-Box Live and Halo 2- supposedly, players will need to play together to successfully beat a couple parts in the campaign. I don't know if that's entirely true, or is only partially true, or not true at all- but that's what a few game publications have said. Personally, I hope that's the case- I love playing Co-Op style games more than playing against people.

  • 06.08.2006 6:38 AM PDT
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The books are the same like DSHiSTaH said, also you should read the books they are awesome and explain a lot of the suffering the spartanS had to go through . Wouldn't it also be kewl if we found out were Kelly went.They should have her show up with all thesse Marines and blast the hell out of the covenant.

  • 06.08.2006 7:20 AM PDT
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Oh Yeah Megan Fox! And Final Instinct are pr0

The fall of Reach is going to be a movie???????

  • 06.08.2006 7:22 AM PDT
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Lol,

READ THE BOOKS

THEN PLAY HALO 1

THEIR COMPELTLY DIFFRENT. EXCEPT FOR AROUND 20 PAGES

  • 06.08.2006 7:22 AM PDT

I don't think the other spartan's will be in halo 3 but the books and the games are 100% related. But if bungie does have them then they willl make it work.

  • 06.08.2006 8:17 AM PDT

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This is kinda how I feel about it.
There is still a time lapse between the ending of the third book and the beginning of Halo 2. So, its possible that something could have happened to the other Spartans that may be revealed in the next book. However, I think if Bungie does decide to include other Spartans in Halo 3, it will have to come as a surprise as a surprise to Master Chief, and therefore the player as well. Thus creating a plot hole, because based on the books, Master Chief already knows that other Spartans are alive, because theoretically, he returned to the space station with them.
Personally, I hope they bring back the other 4 or 5 Spartans, along with Dr. Halsey (for those of you who know who she is). I feel that doing so would bring Master Chief's life full circle.
Also, its possible that the Halo movie, based on The Fall of Reach, will be released around the release of Halo 3, therefore introducing all of the characters who are important to Chief.
There's a lot more going on in his mind aside from, I have to finish this fight.


That lapse of time is not very large. Most of the events take place with in the same year. Listen to the I Love Bees storyline or read the books. It takes place with in 2552. The bees storyline is 52 weeks long. During that time period reach and choral fall. And at the end the covenant get to earth. Actually it sort of explains how the covenant found earth to begin with.

  • 06.08.2006 8:17 AM PDT

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Bungie cannot simply grab and drag an idea or character from the book and into the game.

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They have done ever hear of Lord hood

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Lol,

READ THE BOOKS

THEN PLAY HALO 1

THEIR COMPELTLY DIFFRENT. EXCEPT FOR AROUND 20 PAGES


What do you mean by that? I didn't notice any differences, atleast not what they wrote about MC, the missions were the same.

  • 06.08.2006 8:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: master Chl3f
While some of the theories posted in this section are good, you have to take into account the "business" aspect of the game.

Bungie won't include other Spartans Halo 3 for one simple reason; the games and the books are two completely different entities. That being said, Bungie cannot simply grab and drag an idea or character from the book and into the game. As silly as it is, not every Halo fan has read the books, so it wouldn't make sense to the people who haven't read the series.

As we've all seen through the games, not a single mention has been given to the possibility that other Spartans exist/existed. We all know they did, because of the books, but not EVERYONE knows that.

So that's my rant. No more threads on "wouldn't it be cool if another Spartan _____." I'm 99.9% sure it won't happen. (Sue me if it does.)


it all comes from the same place, the halo bible

  • 06.08.2006 8:26 AM PDT
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Dude get a clue. If you read Halo: First Strike, and you payed attention, then you would know that some survived. And the first halo goes hand in hand with the second book, while first strike is the third, so of course it would say that in the handbook because that far in the story line no one near the master chief knew if they survived or not, but they presumed them dead. I am talking about DEMI SCARFACE.

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