Halo 3 Forum
This topic has moved here: Subject: Why other Spartans will not be included in halo 3
  • Subject: Why other Spartans will not be included in halo 3
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • of 3
Subject: Why other Spartans will not be included in halo 3
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Jason Jones himself said that the books were related to games. It was in an interview on HBO I think. Brutes and prophets were in the books before the games. The writers were given access to the Halo bible.

They are related to the game. Get over it.

  • 06.08.2006 12:12 PM PDT
Subject: Why other spartans will not be included in halo 3
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Bungie has refused to comment on the survival of the other Spartans, but we do know both Kelly Spartan --- and Fred Spartan 104 are alive. I think bungie refuses to comment because Fred will make an appearance. Lets face it, the Arbiter can't destroy the six rings alone and MC can't take out the entire covenant army. In every other game he's had marines on his side but in this game all the marines are dead. It is likely if any one survived the destruction of New Mombasa it was a Spartan.

  • 06.08.2006 12:21 PM PDT
Subject: Why other Spartans will not be included in halo 3
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Darth Thanatus
Someone pointed out earlier that Tartarus was in the books before Halo 2 and apparently Eric Nylund (great sci-fi writer btw, read his other stuff like "Signal to Noise") did a great job of making things fit (although it might well be a more direct collaboration, I dunno much about this "Halo Bible" thing but I think it's possible). But keep in mind, the Halo story is HUGE and there is way too much left untied to not include some new characters (besides Cortana, the Arbiter, and MC), at least in cutscenes, because so much in the game would be unexplainable. As for gameplay, I seriously doubt the other Spartans will be playable in campaign, because when MC has a score to settle, he does it alone. Although parts of the campaign playable as different Spatans would be a great way to tie in the story, plus, Bungie is good at condensinga lot of story in a little cutscene when it comes down to it, they're pros, like pwnoccio said above. In multiplayer I bet they will include a female Spartan character model: I'm sure clans like PMS would like it or may have even requested it. I'm also guessing that the key to "the Ark" might be in the hands of Dr. Halsey (remember her?) which would explain her expedition at the end of First Strike. I can't clearly recall which Spartan she took with her, but she could definitely make an appearance. In the end, anything is possible: It's the last installment of a huge epic, and it's Bungie. There will be a lot of stuff culminating and It'll be all out no-holds-barred end to an epic. Think Return of the King (though I'm sure it'll be much more enjoyable than that hour long, drawn-out, "Oh, Sam!" ending.) Anything can happen, and all we can do is sit here and blow smoke up our butts until it does.

P.S. Will we ever see Master Chief's face before the end?


Well, as far as Master Chief settling his own scores that not really true. Up until Fall Of Reach he led a team. The only reason i believe his team wasn't in Halo 2 is because I think the fact that the Covenant attacking earth justifies splitting the Spartans up to defend multiple cities. In Halo three Master Chief will need help fighting because if you've seen the trailer you know he is up against a HUGE fleet with no marines to help him. If Master Chief had no help he would die, end of story. Plenty of Spartans have died against better odds so we have to remember MC isn't invincible.

  • 06.08.2006 12:33 PM PDT
Subject: Why other spartans will not be included in halo 3
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: ShadowParallel
In response to Choas <- you cant spell Knight X:
First of all, their different for a reason, THEY TELL THE STORY OF THE OTHER CHARACTERS. They wrote it like that because they could explain the story better, and enrich at the same time. The Books are official, and the book you read, hopefully "The Flood" by William Dietz, just explains all the missions the chief goes on a little more detailed and explains what happens as your playing in the background. Good Day.


I'm curious- have you read the books? They are all very much the story of Master Chief.

  • 06.08.2006 2:22 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

well, heres an idea if they were to include another spartin.
what they could do is that while you are wondering around on earth, you come accross a transmition that leads you to go and help some people. and when you arrive, you find that there is another spartin that is there helping/or asking for help. there the character introduces itself along with a brief explination of how they got there or sumthn. or you could have the cheif walkinto a room with a one of the 4 remaining spartins in there and you help save them. it may not be much but there included. perhaps they might fight along side you and are invincible like keys's daughter n Sgt. Johnson in H2.

  • 06.08.2006 2:37 PM PDT

"I came here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all outta bubble gum."

Original Halo Fan

Member Since Spring '04

Posted by: DEMI SCARFACE
If you read the handbook to HALO CE it says clear as day that spartan 117 is the last remaining spartan.


READ THE FREAKIN BOOKS DEMI !!!! You can't post in a thread talking about the topic of the books and a whole topic of other Spartans that DO exist in the books...DONT POST HERE!!!!

And as for the intellectuals of this thread...I believe that there will not be other spartans in the game because the books and games ARE two seperate entities. This doesn't mean it's a different story, just that it works one way. The games affect the books...but the books can't affect the games.

  • 06.08.2006 2:53 PM PDT

Posted by: SpecOps527
Posted by: DEMI SCARFACE
If you read the handbook to HALO CE it says clear as day that spartan 117 is the last remaining spartan.


READ THE FREAKIN BOOKS DEMI !!!! You can't post in a thread talking about the topic of the books and a whole topic of other Spartans that DO exist in the books...DONT POST HERE!!!!

And as for the intellectuals of this thread...I believe that there will not be other spartans in the game because the books and games ARE two seperate entities. This doesn't mean it's a different story, just that it works one way. The games affect the books...but the books can't affect the games.

if the books dont affect the game, why is jonson still here, not some flood blown up when alpha halo blew up

  • 06.08.2006 3:31 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

If another spartan will be present in the third game, most likely in the very begginning of the game MC will have a flashback about a few events that happened before Halo. For instance, when the ship MC is on tries landing, it might crash and MC gets knocked unconscious. He then has a memory or a vision about Kelly or Fred to make it feel the arrival of a spartin is forshadowed. Don't say it is impossable (even though it is a little unlikely) because I highly doubt that you own bungie or have any influence in which direction they take.

  • 06.08.2006 3:32 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: DSHiSTaH
actually, the games and books are the asme entity. read Halo: The Flood and play Halo: Combat Evolved. its the same thing. I think the other spartans won't be included in Halo 3 because it might ruin the story (just MC and Arbiter).

maybe they might be in a cutscene, but thats pushing it.


what about the end of first strike? remember linda, i think there will be another sparten because they are the same.

  • 06.08.2006 3:37 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Ok, this is my theory... The spartans (John,Linda,Fred,Will,and Kelly. But Kelly is somwhere with Dr Halsey.) arrive at Cairo station at the beginning of Halo 2. But they are split up to protect the other parts of the earth.(I mean c'mon. Do you REALLY think that they would leave someplace like Washington DC defenseless?) And somehow between the end of Halo 2 and the beginning of Halo 3 meet up. Now in the trailer I saw a flash that cudnt have been lighning, so I think it is a acknolwed light from the other spartans. And that those four banshees that flew over John's head are the other spartans.

  • 06.08.2006 3:56 PM PDT

Halo: The Flood is an adaptation of the first Halo, that's it. The games do reside in a seperate part of the Halo universe, I know it's hard to grasp, and it sucks but that's how it is. Look at all videogames that have books, comics or even movies based on them, things get changed or made up to make them more interesting to a wider audience. And for example the one Halo book I have read First Strike, the fleet in the story and game have seperate goals, just an example of how they are different and if they are the same how come no other Spartens appeared in Halo 2?

But I'm not saying that they're won't be more Spartens, we don't really know what the military had on Earth, they're could have been more Sparten projects....

  • 06.08.2006 4:12 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

In reply to YakZSmelk's question: As I said the spartans were probably dropped to othe rparts of the world to protect as much of it as possible.

  • 06.08.2006 4:25 PM PDT

Posted by: LINDA 58
Ok, this is my theory... The spartans (John,Linda,Fred,Will,and Kelly. But Kelly is somwhere with Dr Halsey.) arrive at Cairo station at the beginning of Halo 2. But they are split up to protect the other parts of the earth.(I mean c'mon. Do you REALLY think that they would leave someplace like Washington DC defenseless?) And somehow between the end of Halo 2 and the beginning of Halo 3 meet up. Now in the trailer I saw a flash that cudnt have been lighning, so I think it is a acknolwed light from the other spartans. And that those four banshees that flew over John's head are the other spartans.


I like your thinking LINDA 58. I agree with you on the thought that the rest of the spartans (with the exception of Kelly) were probably located on the planet or a different station. If anyone can recall, the last time that the spartans all grouped together on a ship most of them ended up dying. So I think that while they are in the air they will probably try and stay seperated. this would explain why you didn't hear about other spartans in H2. I think that in H3 they will include another spartan (maybe Kelly) because 1. they have taken characters out of the book before, 2. what would have to happen to wrap everything up in H3 will probably take more then the arbiter and MC. another spartan would help move the game along. And as a sidenote I think it would be cool if when you do co-op with someone they wouldn't look exactly like you. I hate having two Mcs playing at the same time. Maybe even have more then two people play. Have one as MC one as the other spartan and one as the arbiter. This last part may be farfetched, but I like the idea.

  • 06.08.2006 4:28 PM PDT

Like me? Love me? Got a crush? Follow me on Twitter

| Forum Rules | Terms of Use | Code of Conduct |

Posted by: master Chl3f
While some of the theories posted in this section are good, you have to take into account the "business" aspect of the game.

Bungie won't include other Spartans Halo 3 for one simple reason; the games and the books are two completely different entities. That being said, Bungie cannot simply grab and drag an idea or character from the book and into the game. As silly as it is, not every Halo fan has read the books, so it wouldn't make sense to the people who haven't read the series.

As we've all seen through the games, not a single mention has been given to the possibility that other Spartans exist/existed. We all know they did, because of the books, but not EVERYONE knows that.

So that's my rant. No more threads on "wouldn't it be cool if another Spartan _____." I'm 99.9% sure it won't happen. (Sue me if it does.)


Wow im surprised you recieved so many responses. I have said the same thing sooooo many times. It would ruin the drama of the game and simply isnt a good decision. Besides taking away from the Master Chief even more which angered players, it wouldnt mix well with the story. The other games have repeatedly said Master Chief is the last spartan. I hope for the games sake that we are right.

  • 06.08.2006 4:28 PM PDT

Posted by: x Lord Revan x
Posted by: master Chl3f
While some of the theories posted in this section are good, you have to take into account the "business" aspect of the game.

Bungie won't include other Spartans Halo 3 for one simple reason; the games and the books are two completely different entities. That being said, Bungie cannot simply grab and drag an idea or character from the book and into the game. As silly as it is, not every Halo fan has read the books, so it wouldn't make sense to the people who haven't read the series.

As we've all seen through the games, not a single mention has been given to the possibility that other Spartans exist/existed. We all know they did, because of the books, but not EVERYONE knows that.

So that's my rant. No more threads on "wouldn't it be cool if another Spartan _____." I'm 99.9% sure it won't happen. (Sue me if it does.)


Wow im surprised you recieved so many responses. I have said the same thing sooooo many times. It would ruin the drama of the game and simply isnt a good decision. Besides taking away from the Master Chief even more which angered players, it wouldnt mix well with the story. The other games have repeatedly said Master Chief is the last spartan. I hope for the games sake that we are right.


I cant think of even once during actuall gameplay when they actually said there are no more spartans left. The only time that was ever said was in the H1 guide, and that was before they found out in the books that there are more spartans left.

  • 06.08.2006 4:31 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: a FL surfer grom
First of all, you're wrong, at the end of the first strike, there are three other immediate spartans alive, and one other believed to be alive somewhere else in the galaxy. What you, the topic creator, fail to realize, is that bungie is All about telling an awesome story. They have a halo BIBLE, created to describe all things halo. They worked very closely with Eric Nylund as he wrote the books, and they are approved by bungie. The majority of the whole story, is in the books.


you are wrong....in halo CE it clearly says Mc is the last spartan alive...we should all know that...not matter what the books say...they are different...even if bungie did approve the books it doesnt mean that they are the same as the game...



i dont saee the point in trying to guess what will be in halo 3 and wat wont be in halo 3...cuz everyone will be wrong and everyone will know once they play the game

  • 06.08.2006 4:37 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: COYOTE J
Posted by: LINDA 58
Ok, this is my theory... The spartans (John,Linda,Fred,Will,and Kelly. But Kelly is somwhere with Dr Halsey.) arrive at Cairo station at the beginning of Halo 2. But they are split up to protect the other parts of the earth.(I mean c'mon. Do you REALLY think that they would leave someplace like Washington DC defenseless?) And somehow between the end of Halo 2 and the beginning of Halo 3 meet up. Now in the trailer I saw a flash that cudnt have been lighning, so I think it is a acknolwed light from the other spartans. And that those four banshees that flew over John's head are the other spartans.


I like your thinking LINDA 58. I agree with you on the thought that the rest of the spartans (with the exception of Kelly) were probably located on the planet or a different station. If anyone can recall, the last time that the spartans all grouped together on a ship most of them ended up dying. So I think that while they are in the air they will probably try and stay seperated. this would explain why you didn't hear about other spartans in H2. I think that in H3 they will include another spartan (maybe Kelly) because 1. they have taken characters out of the book before, 2. what would have to happen to wrap everything up in H3 will probably take more then the arbiter and MC. another spartan would help move the game along. And as a sidenote I think it would be cool if when you do co-op with someone they wouldn't look exactly like you. I hate having two Mcs playing at the same time. Maybe even have more then two people play. Have one as MC one as the other spartan and one as the arbiter. This last part may be farfetched, but I like the idea.


That would be cool. But it would also be cool in xbox live to play and customise as a Brute. That is just what I think.

PS btw any halo who hasnt read the books isnt a real halo fan.

[Edited on 6/8/2006]

  • 06.08.2006 4:38 PM PDT
  • gamertag: opog
  • user homepage:

Posted by: Mr PWNAG3
Posted by: a FL surfer grom
First of all, you're wrong, at the end of the first strike, there are three other immediate spartans alive, and one other believed to be alive somewhere else in the galaxy. What you, the topic creator, fail to realize, is that bungie is All about telling an awesome story. They have a halo BIBLE, created to describe all things halo. They worked very closely with Eric Nylund as he wrote the books, and they are approved by bungie. The majority of the whole story, is in the books.


[quote]
you are wrong....in halo CE it clearly says Mc is the last spartan alive


It says that in the manual because at that point in time in the Halo Universe, everyone thought he was the last Spartan. Nobody knew that the covenant didn' completely glass Reach, allowing some of the Spartans to survive everyone in the UNSC believed that the Spartans were all dead except for the Master Chief, but they were wrong.

  • 06.08.2006 6:54 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: master Chl3f
Bungie won't include other Spartans Halo 3 for one simple reason; the games and the books are two completely different entities. That being said, Bungie cannot simply grab and drag an idea or character from the book and into the game. As silly as it is, not every Halo fan has read the books, so it wouldn't make sense to the people who haven't read the series.

As we've all seen through the games, not a single mention has been given to the possibility that other Spartans exist/existed. We all know they did, because of the books, but not EVERYONE knows that.

So that's my rant. No more threads on "wouldn't it be cool if another Spartan _____." I'm 99.9% sure it won't happen. (Sue me if it does.)



Well yes it is weird that a Halo fan has not read the books, I did read them, their really good.

But on the other hand, Halo3 might features another Spartan: When you read the manual book provided with the special edition oh H2, MC has received a letter from someone he knows for a long tome, someone you would love to wear the new armor: Kelly!

Now, i do not think we will see another Spartan, most player know about MC being Earth ultimate line of defence!

  • 06.08.2006 7:38 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

it is really hard to say weater or not they will include the other spartans in halo 3 but i think the idea of using tehm for co op mode would be good that way they can make it cooler cause its like a team of spartans taking on a mission and use more than just two players.

  • 06.08.2006 7:58 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Useless, though it may be, to throw countless guesses as to who or what may or may not show up in Halo 3, I think that's the whole reason behind this kind of thread. It gives all of us a chance to mull over ideas that we probably wouldnt have thought of on our own.
What I cant wait for is the 4th Halo book to be released later this year. I think that may answer a lot of the questions that we have about Halo 3, and Halo 2 for that matter.
Finally, earlier someone mentioned another Spartan project being carried out on Earth. Which reminded me of something from Halo: First Strike. While Dr. Halsey is doing some research in ONI's CASTLE Base on Reach (after the covenant had glassed the poles), she stumbles upon an AI put in place by some -blam!- from ONI. Also, during a board meeting on Earth, a surviving high ranking official from the battle at Reach is being debriefed by that same -blam!- as well as some other generals and admirals. At that point, it is hinted that another "project" of some kind is under way. Dr. Halsey reaches the same conclusion while doing her research.
That's the basic version, for a more detailed and understandable version, just read First Strike, its a very good book, a must for Halo fans.
Anyways, the way the books are headed, it appears that Bungie has a lot to think about regarding what to include in H3. they could continue with Master Chief being the lone Spartan defender of Earth, or they could make the story much richer and include a lot more depth and characters.

  • 06.08.2006 10:45 PM PDT

  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • of 3