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Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

In CE you can snipe with the shotgun because of its ridiculously long range

  • 06.10.2012 11:42 AM PDT
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Edit: Forget it.

[Edited on 06.10.2012 12:05 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 11:44 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Edit: Forget it.


What was it?

  • 06.10.2012 1:24 PM PDT
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Just another pointless interaction which would have led to 3 pages of CE vs. Reach debates.

When it comes to Reach, I must avert my eyes and not post.

  • 06.10.2012 1:42 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Just another pointless interaction which would have led to 3 pages of CE vs. Reach debates.

When it comes to Reach, I must avert my eyes and not post.


Oh

  • 06.10.2012 1:48 PM PDT

Posted by: Mark V guy
In CE you can snipe with the shotgun because of its ridiculously long range
You do realize that actual shotguns have a much longer range, right? Right?

CE was the only Halo game in which the shotgun was useful for something else than camping corners and very CQB. It still did decent damage at short-mid range, and was devastating but usually not a 1-hit kill in CQB. Again, weapon balance involves making everything useful in multiple combat areas to prevent the whole Rock-Paper-Scissors thing we've seen in the last 4 Halo games.

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Just another pointless interaction which would have led to 3 pages of CE vs. Reach debates.

When it comes to Reach, I must avert my eyes and not post.

Funny stuff, Sliding. Am sure folks will think I need to be tithung like a man called Horse for saying it, but, I've actually been enjoying some Reach lately. Yes, it's soulless and multiplayery...being in a vehicle is somehow a disadvantage and you can't care about the protagonist...But I actually found myself getting angry when I got killed, unlike a lot of other games. It's the weakest of the bunch, but it's still Halo. Weak...compromised Halo...but Halo nonetheless...

  • 06.10.2012 7:52 PM PDT
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Well at this point, I have enough ms points to purchase Reach from the marketplace. But I need some persuasion. I'd much rather get ODST but it's not on the marketplace. There are some other games that interest me but they're not accessible either.

  • 06.10.2012 7:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Well at this point, I have enough ms points to purchase Reach from the marketplace. But I need some persuasion. I'd much rather get ODST but it's not on the marketplace. There are some other games that interest me but they're not accessible either.


Don't do it. Get MineCraft, or Portal: Still Alive. Maybe Half Minute Hero. If you want Reach buy it in a shop, it's much cheaper.

  • 06.11.2012 4:37 AM PDT

Games I like:,
Half-Minute Hero
MBU
Portal
Halo 3 is the best Halo ever
Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

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Posted by: sdnomdE
Rofl. Two Betrayals has 5 wraiths. Canyon-by-canyon, it's 1-2-2.

I was certain there was at least 3 xD. But I haven't done a playthrough of Halo in a while (completed it on legendary enough times on PC, Xbox and CEA) but I never remember the vehicles. The one thing I do remember, is how annoying the Elites and waves of flood were by the banshee's towards the end of that level xD
The difficulty of that battle is greatly exaggerated, unless you:

-choose not to use the sniper
-choose not to use the rocket launcher on infantry

Nonetheless, this is my preferred method:

1. bring a Ghost, preferably with full health
2. blow up 1 Wraith before triggering Flood
3. after the Flood are killed, go on a certain rock and let the other Wraith fire at you. He'll never hit you so you can blow him up
4. pistol Grunts, Jackals, Hunters, leaving only the Elites. Save enough pistol ammo for at least 20 headshots.
5. drive the Ghost up to the Elites; pwn them
6. teabag fallen enemies
7. retrieve the Banshee feeling good


"Leave it where it lay". Hardest Achievement EVER, just because of that final fight.


Posted by: Mark V guy
In CE you can snipe with the shotgun because of its ridiculously long range


No.... You can't...

Even if you do get some damage at long range, it won't kill your enemy, even a Grunt, for a long time.

I want enemies that focus. I was playing Tsavo Highway and 3 Jump Pack Brutes show up on the bridge with the Grav lift, landing in front of e. Shooting at the marines, they don't notice me until I make a barrel or something fall over. Easy assassinations though :D

[Edited on 06.11.2012 4:50 AM PDT]

  • 06.11.2012 4:38 AM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Mark V guy
In CE you can snipe with the shotgun because of its ridiculously long range
You do realize that actual shotguns have a much longer range, right? Right?

CE was the only Halo game in which the shotgun was useful for something else than camping corners and very CQB. It still did decent damage at short-mid range, and was devastating but usually not a 1-hit kill in CQB. Again, weapon balance involves making everything useful in multiple combat areas to prevent the whole Rock-Paper-Scissors thing we've seen in the last 4 Halo games.

The CE shotgun is definitely the best/most balanced/fun to use in the series. In my honest opinion it didn't need tweaking in any form.

As for other weapons, it's debatable. Sure the CE pistol was deadly, but should it really have been as powerful as it was? Should the Rocket have had lock on or is it better without etc.

Vehicles, I think most were fine with the exception of the Scorpions MG which was useless in my opinion. Furthermore, I do have to admit I loved the explosions the Covenant vehicles made when destroyed (sounds and looks better than future games i think). Should Human vehicles have had health? Or should Covie vehicles not have had health etc.

Any other suggestions?

  • 06.11.2012 5:49 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

Play the Library, and in one of the massive corridors shoot a flood form all the way at the other end of the corridor with the shotgun, I guarantee it will die. Admittedly it is less effective against covenant

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Posted by: Mark V guy
Play the Library, and in one of the massive corridors shoot a flood form all the way at the other end of the corridor with the shotgun, I guarantee it will die. Admittedly it is less effective against covenant
You failed to mention the difficulty yet again...

[Edited on 06.11.2012 2:35 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Multijirachi
"Leave it where it lay". Hardest Achievement EVER, just because of that final fight.
It's a bs achievement. It forces the luck element: driving past everyone in the Ghost. On the other hand, it's possible to stealth past the Wraiths and get the Banshee, but it's much more harder.

Posted by: Multijirachi
I want enemies that focus. I was playing Tsavo Highway and 3 Jump Pack Brutes show up on the bridge with the Grav lift, landing in front of e. Shooting at the marines, they don't notice me until I make a barrel or something fall over. Easy assassinations though :D
I want enemies that have balanced priority. I know Reach AI priority is painful but H3 AI priority is a thousand times worse. Sometimes they only focus on your allies. Other times they only focus on you.

  • 06.11.2012 2:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Mark V guy
In CE you can snipe with the shotgun because of its ridiculously long range
You do realize that actual shotguns have a much longer range, right? Right?

CE was the only Halo game in which the shotgun was useful for something else than camping corners and very CQB. It still did decent damage at short-mid range, and was devastating but usually not a 1-hit kill in CQB. Again, weapon balance involves making everything useful in multiple combat areas to prevent the whole Rock-Paper-Scissors thing we've seen in the last 4 Halo games.

The CE shotgun is definitely the best/most balanced/fun to use in the series. In my honest opinion it didn't need tweaking in any form.

As for other weapons, it's debatable. Sure the CE pistol was deadly, but should it really have been as powerful as it was? Should the Rocket have had lock on or is it better without etc.
I could melee infection forms instead of having to let my shields take the damage all the time. And shooting 1 infection form popped other ones.

In H3, I always have to use up my precious ammo on infection forms, unless I prepare a turret or something. Of course I could just let them pop my shields, but let's be reasonable. That would be stupid on higher difficulties.

In CE, I don't have to prepare. Just keep my guard up, melee when I want to (not to mention that I don't have to melee multiple times to get the melee animation I want to use).

Posted by: Wilis_kid
Vehicles, I think most were fine with the exception of the Scorpions MG which was useless in my opinion. Furthermore, I do have to admit I loved the explosions the Covenant vehicles made when destroyed (sounds and looks better than future games i think). Should Human vehicles have had health? Or should Covie vehicles not have had health etc.

Any other suggestions?
CE vehicles were wonderful. I could fight them on foot. I could manipulate them. Then came H3, where they dominate in campaign and mp. Don't get me wrong. They're supposed to dominate, but not in the damn campaign! In campaign, vehicle combat should be equal yet what I've seen is enemy AI possessing things that I can't access. Why is there no support for driving the H3 Banshee? Invisible barriers confining me, tricks merely moving me closer to doom, strafe being completely useless due to lack of hover.


If anyone's wondering why I'm attacking H3 so much today, it's not merely because of a certain poster on here, but because I have finally stopped tolerating the bs that is H3 campaign after playing it on several difficulties. The bs is everywhere. The scenery items go flying, so many times I end up nearly getting splattered and almost all the time, end up splattered. Unmanned vehicles get blown up like they were nothing and allies are constantly spawning when I'm trying to preserve enemies. The enemies are repulsive and an insult to CE AI. And the allies are goddamn awful. Sticking enemies is absurd as well because they dive so much.

Vehicle driving in H2 was tolerable because the same AI didn't always get in the vehicle seat. AI took turns. Not in H3. If you get a friendly AI out of your hog, you have to drive off far, far away from him to get him to lose interest.

I now see that Reach is clearly a superior campaign to H3. I now see that H3 was the progenitor of the bs.

H2 upped the damage and killed the sandbox but it didn't -blam!- up the AI too much and vehicle driving was at least strict. H3 worsened everything!

My beloved needler, my trustworthy hog, my manipulations and assassinations. It's all -blam!- up in H3 first!

If there's 2 Brutes standing right next to each other, the one on the left having just spotted me and the one on the right has his back turned, I have to aim all the way to the right or the lunge will propel me to the left one, giving away my position to the other one.

The needler is no longer about art but just instant kills. This is suitable for mp. Why throw it in the campaign? It's as annoying as armor lock: in Reach, you armor lock, the AI will just move away from you and wait. In H3, you fire the needler, the AI will inevitably dive from some of the last few needles.

And of course, the pistol. It's trash in campaign. Hardly any ammo and doesn't give you enough time to get kills out in the open before you end up losing your shields.

Then there's the Flood. Useless, pathetic, only hard because of increased damage and inconsistent health: some unshielded Flood inexplicably take multiple melees. Sometimes, your melee only hits their arm or the host's head and you end up getting hit. Why melee? Because firing my non-headshotable gun at Flood will get me killed!

Last but not least, oh no, I have many more complaints against H3, the freaking hog. It's lighter, it's constantly a nuiscance especially when the marine driver just happens to drive into me. There was this one time where I had the perfect collection, I was driving the hog to the checkpoint area, I drive over a rock and flip off the cliff. Fcking bs!

H3 campaign has screwed me over for the last time!

[Edited on 06.11.2012 3:02 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2012 2:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Mark V guy
Play the Library, and in one of the massive corridors shoot a flood form all the way at the other end of the corridor with the shotgun, I guarantee it will die. Admittedly it is less effective against covenant

That's blatantly false, even on easy.

  • 06.11.2012 6:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Well at this point, I have enough ms points to purchase Reach from the marketplace. But I need some persuasion. I'd much rather get ODST but it's not on the marketplace. There are some other games that interest me but they're not accessible either.
I will mail you ODST. Does the Canadian disc work in the U.S.?

  • 06.11.2012 6:41 PM PDT

Posted by: sdnomdE
Posted by: Mark V guy
Play the Library, and in one of the massive corridors shoot a flood form all the way at the other end of the corridor with the shotgun, I guarantee it will die. Admittedly it is less effective against covenant

That's blatantly false, even on easy.
No. You just need to burn through enough ammo. Eventually you'll get enough hits from the random spread.

  • 06.11.2012 6:42 PM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: sdnomdE
Posted by: Mark V guy
Play the Library, and in one of the massive corridors shoot a flood form all the way at the other end of the corridor with the shotgun, I guarantee it will die. Admittedly it is less effective against covenant

That's blatantly false, even on easy.
No. You just need to burn through enough ammo. Eventually you'll get enough hits from the random spread.

Yeah, the shot will go that far. I'm fully aware of how Halo 1's shotgun behaves. But Mark V Guy was making it sound like a reliable 1-hit kill. Or at least, if that's NOT what he meant, I can't fathom why he would have even bothered saying it.

[Edited on 06.11.2012 7:45 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2012 7:44 PM PDT

Posted by: sdnomdE

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: sdnomdE
Posted by: Mark V guy
Play the Library, and in one of the massive corridors shoot a flood form all the way at the other end of the corridor with the shotgun, I guarantee it will die. Admittedly it is less effective against covenant

That's blatantly false, even on easy.
No. You just need to burn through enough ammo. Eventually you'll get enough hits from the random spread.

Yeah, the shot will go that far. I'm fully aware of how Halo 1's shotgun behaves. But Mark V Guy was making it sound like a reliable 1-hit kill. Or at least, if that's NOT what he meant, I can't fathom why he would have even bothered saying it.
If you don't mind spending some time, go back and read his comments in the last couple pages of threads. Not only does his opinion on aspects of the game change daily, but he really has no idea what he's talking about.

  • 06.11.2012 9:43 PM PDT

Games I like:,
Half-Minute Hero
MBU
Portal
Halo 3 is the best Halo ever
Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Well at this point, I have enough ms points to purchase Reach from the marketplace. But I need some persuasion. I'd much rather get ODST but it's not on the marketplace. There are some other games that interest me but they're not accessible either.
I will mail you ODST. Does the Canadian disc work in the U.S.?


Read the case. If it says PAL no. If it says NTSC yes. This should be on the little side bit, opposite from the ditch in which you pull to open the case.



Sliding Ghost, I can hardly think of what to say. Reach was not the superiour campaign in terms of map design, and the gameplay was terrible as Elites were OP and spammed to simulate a tough encounter. Halo 3 was balanced in terms of level design and gameplay (Except for the bs of Cortana). Sure the Hog flips easily, however the physics work well on levels which feature the Hog alot, such as The Ark and Halo. People have managed to get out of the maps in H3, alas not with the banshee but with the Hornet.

What I'm trying to say is you can't be that harsh on the game when you only pick out the negative. The game was one of the greatest ever created, and the good outweighs the bad immensly. I remember the time when you would get Half Infected Chieftans, how you discovered the way to trap the AA Wraith on The Covenant easily to jack without diffuculty. Your 4 Arbiters tricks, Super Battles, you did so well. Why did you suddenly change alleigance?

  • 06.12.2012 3:26 AM PDT

Lets try to keep arguments focused on CE for improvements please. Using other games to support your arguments are fine though.

I do have to say, one thing i really liked about CE was the feeling of 'open' combat at times and the lack of game barriers here and there as opposed to later games like Halo 3/Reach.

One of the best improvements i've seen mentioned is the level design on the later levels. Perhaps they could have designed newer levels rather than doing a level in reverse? (I'm looking at you Two Betrayals). However, the early stages of Keyes and the later stages of the Maw were fine though.

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Posted by: Multijirachi

Sliding Ghost, I can hardly think of what to say. Reach was not the superiour campaign in terms of map design, and the gameplay was terrible as Elites were OP and spammed to simulate a tough encounter. Halo 3 was balanced in terms of level design and gameplay (Except for the bs of Cortana). Sure the Hog flips easily, however the physics work well on levels which feature the Hog alot, such as The Ark and Halo. People have managed to get out of the maps in H3, alas not with the banshee but with the Hornet.
Yeah I was aggravated yesterday. I believe I did mention that Reach was continuation of defilement. Perhaps I should have said it was far more radical. Cloaking in H3 may not have lasted long but active camo in Reach is the equivalent of wielding a support weapon.

Posted by: Multijirachi
What I'm trying to say is you can't be that harsh on the game when you only pick out the negative. The game was one of the greatest ever created, and the good outweighs the bad immensly. I remember the time when you would get Half Infected Chieftans, how you discovered the way to trap the AA Wraith on The Covenant easily to jack without diffuculty. Your 4 Arbiters tricks, Super Battles, you did so well.
You... have a point. I should take pride in my achievements. I've made my best H3 videos public again and edited my signature. Thank you for the reassuring words.

Posted by: Multijirachi
Why did you suddenly change alleigance?
There have been a lot of times where I've been impeded with my campaign setups. I've just never uploaded them.

I've cried/raged over some pretty bad things in my past, but that's nothing compared to the stress I've received from these setups. The only time I'm not solid/mentally stable is when I'm trying these setups.

I've posted some of my concerns here.

As you can see, I am mostly antagonized by the lack of support and replayability. 99% of my setups were either ruined by the lack of checkpoints or the repetition (this really killed my experience. Hours on one thing only for me to have to start all over. It was painfully annoying to have to go to the system settings to get the game saves uploaded to my computer).

[Edited on 06.12.2012 6:44 AM PDT]

  • 06.12.2012 6:40 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

No i mean one shot, if you place the flood in the middle of thr reticule, on easy or normal anyway.

  • 06.12.2012 10:58 AM PDT
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There is a possibility that it's a particular Flood and/or a particular glitch.

Trapping a Zealot behind an object, getting him to repeatedly do his jumping melee, then firing at him with a plasma pistol very fast will end up killing him much more faster than usual. You won't even need to knock out his shields.

This will also work with the AR, pistol, and plasma rifle.

[Edited on 06.12.2012 5:58 PM PDT]

  • 06.12.2012 5:50 PM PDT