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Subject: Did Jay W. let a little uncertainty slip in the H3 Documentary?
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Posted by: Wiltron
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...As far as no support.....what more support do you need then Halo and Halo 2.....at the time (2001) halo:ce had the best graphics you could find of any game.....3 years later....bungie released halo 2 which yes was not quite as spectacular looking as the first trailer....still is one of the best looking xbox game....especially in HD.....so maybe bungie wont get the game to look quite as good as the trailer....but id be willing to bet anyone it will be close.....bungie hasnt let us down yet....and i dont expect them to start now


If you read through this thread, I'm not saying that Halo3 won't look and play great (the whole "best.game.evar." thing is just useless). I was simply identifying a quote from the trailer that might indicate they aren't quite sure if they can match the visuals from the trailer in-game. Go back to the start and read the original post for further clarification.

To take this a bit further into the "hidden meaning" territory that so many of you enjoy: Bungie is very careful about what they release to the public. Is that line their "out" if the game doesn't measure up to the trailer?


i see your point....and maybe its true....maybe not......i guess we will have to wait untill next year (or whenever they decide to show in game screenshots) and find out

  • 06.08.2006 10:03 AM PDT
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Its the real ingame graphics

  • 06.08.2006 10:06 AM PDT
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Everything will be gone long before me. When the first living thing was born, I was here, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job is finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave.

But one guy, Curtis Creamer, contradicted the other person(the one who said, this is the bar we're shooting for) by saying the last thing in the trailer. He said, "This is the game, this is the engine, this is what Halo 3 is gonna look like."

  • 06.08.2006 10:10 AM PDT

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Its the real ingame graphics


*See the first line of the first post*

  • 06.08.2006 10:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: ODST27
But one guy, Curtis Creamer, contradicted the other person(the one who said, this is the bar we're shooting for) by saying the last thing in the trailer. He said, "This is the game, this is the engine, this is what Halo 3 is gonna look like."



True. I acknowledged this already.

*see the second line, of the first post*

  • 06.08.2006 10:12 AM PDT
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lol yah but you can just tell by what they told us at E3 and in the documentary that those are the real iongame graphics. When they said this is the bar we are aiming for in ingame they meant through out the whole game they want everything to be the mass and size of that level.

  • 06.08.2006 10:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: KoinOperatedBoy
You're doing Xenus work Wiltron.



As Calvin once said "I find it easier if you keep everyones expectations low"...or something like that. The point is I'm expecting Halo 3 to be a side scroller Contra type game.


ha ha quoting calvin and hobbes.

  • 06.08.2006 10:20 AM PDT

Posted by: Wiltron
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There is very little in the trailer to suggest that the engine will struggle at all. ....


My original post was based on comments made by a Bungie staffer in the documentary.

...and I'm done discussing Oblivion here.


My main point was that the game is very far from ship. Therefore, Mr. Lehto can't say that the game will definitely look like the trailer because it's nowhere near done. In addition, since the game looks as good as it does in the trailer, there is a very good chance it will look better by ship simply because the industry often does not have showable real-time content running until late in the development cycle.

Furthermore, your comments here seem to suggest that you have something personal against people's opinions. My post had no negative effects on your argument (which seems to simply be that Marcus said something logical) and offered another perspective on how to judge the engine. There's no need to drop a one line dismissal of my point.

The trailer really wasn't that impressive from a purely polygon-pushing POV. Rubble has the same bland textures and blocky shapes as Halo 2, the terrain out of the trailer shots has nothing on it, the mountains were all in the skybox, and the dust and lighting were done specifically for the trailer. I am commenting that A) the game is running great so early in the cycle and B) the graphics aren't insane and therefore I think it will only get better here on out.

Also, Jay says "Our engine can do the stuff that we say it's gonna do and we're doing it right now." That's perfectly clear.

Furthermore, the quote you are discussing was said by Marcus Lehto. (His label comes up at 1:52 and his quote is at 2:51.)

As to your more recents posts like this:
Posted by: Wiltron
True. I acknowledged this already.

*see the second line, of the first post*


You asked for opinions and you got them. Some fans choose to listen to the other developers who said that they think the trailer is representative of what Halo 3 will look like. The trailer shows what Halo 3 looks like in-game as of a month ago. This forum isn't a contest where you ask for thoughts and then shoot them down and wait for the next. We're trying to form a discussion about Whether or not - given the trailer, other 360 games, and the documentary - Halo 3 will look better or worse than the trailer. This is why Oblivion and the other developers' quotes are relevant and are an important part of this dialogue that fans are trying to create seemingly against your will.

Thank you.
-Eastbeast314

Edit: spelling

[Edited on 6/8/2006]

  • 06.08.2006 10:34 AM PDT
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Eastbeast314.....couldnt have said it better myself

  • 06.08.2006 10:38 AM PDT

Halo's a hell of a drug.

Maybe they mean that they are shooting for more elements on the screen at once. He could have been talking about a lot of things. Maybe the interview was shot before E3.

  • 06.08.2006 10:39 AM PDT

In one of the weekly updates I believe they already stated that it wouldn't look too much better than Halo 2.

  • 06.08.2006 10:47 AM PDT

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Eastbeast,

Again, you're coming into the thread and making more of it than you need to. The one's I rebuke are those that don't have anything to with the original question stated in the subject: "Did Jay W. let a little uncertainty slip in the H3 Documentary?" (was it really someone else? If so - my bad)

Arguments about whether H3 will be the best.game.ever, look wonderful, play well, or how it stacks up against Oblivion or Gears of War are irrelevant. I find it odd that you're critiquing my responses in this thread. I look forward to additinal thread reviews in the future =/

  • 06.08.2006 10:58 AM PDT

Posted by: Wiltron
Arguments about whether H3 will be the best.game.ever, look wonderful, play well, or how it stacks up against Oblivion or Gears of War are irrelevant. I find it odd that you're critiquing my responses in this thread. I look forward to additinal thread reviews in the future =/


Sure - no prob. ;) No hard feelings, but I'm just confused about what you want from this thread if those things are irrelevant. Past and current games are important for judging how a new game will progress through development. Your first post clearly is asking for thoughts about whether or not the trailer is representative of how Halo 3 will look when finished. I think many of the things you have ignored are very important to determining this. Sorry if I have diverted this thread by offering what I thought were important things to take into consideration when forming an opinion about what I thought you were questioning.

Over and out (for now),
Eastbeast314

  • 06.08.2006 11:14 AM PDT

"There are those who said this day would never come. What are they to say now?" -Prophet of Truth (Halo 2)

Jay is an audio guy. He is not up on the latest techonologies or limitations on the H3 engine.

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  • 06.08.2006 11:17 AM PDT

Posted by: KoinOperatedBoy
Damn you Wil, I've said this before only to get shot by the zomg fanboys.

The cutscenes may (and probably will) look like the trailer.

The actual gameplay graphics will most likely look significantly worse. Am I saying it'll look like crap? No, but it sure as hell won't look as nice as that trailer.


Haveyou noticed? In that documentary It showed the chief doing the same thing at a million different angles.
That means that it is notjust the trailer, but it is also the game.
What I mean is the writer of tghis topic is right. The game is going to look as good as the trailer.

  • 06.08.2006 11:20 AM PDT

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Jay is an audio guy. He is not up on the latest techonologies or limitations on the H3 engine.


So you think that they work in the same building and don't talk about the rest of the game?

This isn't some type of secret military invention with different people making components with no knowledge of the other pieces. It is a computer game.

  • 06.08.2006 11:20 AM PDT
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Hey Wiltron,
I can safely say that i know what you are talking about. What some people here is forgetting is that they would have an early base engine code that can run the trailer and thats all, TO RUN THE TRAILER!. Their've probably got an early code they've been working on and building it up from there, who knows. But the comment when he says " the is the bar were aiming for " definately to me seems that they haven't done it yet but hopefully will achieve it.
There are alot of fanboys around here that will jump of any cliff without any questions for bungie,lol, and think bungie can do no wrong. I don't think anyone we'll get a clearer picture on Halo3 INGAME graphics untill alot futher down the track, so untill then i guess we all have to wait.

But (my opinion) the graphics issue realy isn't what i'm worried about as i'm sure they'll be great when it comes out. What i am worried about is what about the gameplay options they will be putting in this time, eg. LIVE co-op, linkup co-op, that sort of stuff. And ofcourse storyline.
Halo2 was all over the place, they need to worry about the chief's and humans side of the story and not the bloody enemy. Halo2 just lost that feeling that we're controlling the hero and mixing up the stories only lost the feeling of going to war thinking " there's those buggers, GET THEM!!!!!!!!".....bam,bam,bam!!!!!.
But overall i'm not holding my breath this time, so hopefully i wont be to disappointed this time round.

  • 06.08.2006 11:54 AM PDT
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Real gameplay is almost always not as good as cutscenes. Even in Halo 2. I think thats whny the textures pop.

I dont really care though,the game still looks sweet.

  • 06.08.2006 12:02 PM PDT
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If that's what they're shooting for, I'm sure that's what we're getting. It's bungie we're talking about. They've got the experience, the ability and the hardware to do it. Those graphics are by no means impossible.

  • 06.08.2006 12:12 PM PDT

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