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Posted by: Courageous Mike
It looks alot like Crysis to me.
Crysis was always a copy of Halo. Not an exact copy, but there were way too many similarities. That was back when it was a good game, so I wasn't bothered with it. Now Crysis is a number of other popular games added into the mix and has become a linear piece of crap. If 343i do to Halo what CryTek did to Crysis, Halo 4 will be one horrible game.

  • 06.05.2012 4:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: Quantam
Regret even on Legendary wasn't a pain, it was just the damn Honour Guards who spawned to Infinty. (no pun intended)

I don't know about that. The Grunts were more annoying imo. The Honor Guards were only a threat if they were dual wielding.

But yeah, enough of the bs. The fact that the AR can actually do some damage is quite reassuring so for once, I don't actually mind the potentially high enemy damage. I just hope they don't stand still too long.

Of course, they should only be actively moving if they've noticed us. In Reach, I missed assassinations so many times in Reach because the Elites were moving like crazy. I want to stealth so badly!

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Posted by: the real Janaka


Furthermore: as a friend pointed out, Chief Made a fantastic choice when directly rushing forth, just after having seen an elite being disintegrated within a second, by a single beam. Good move Chief, good move.


It wasn't a cut scene , john didn't choose to run ,the person with the controller did , they were giving us a taste of the game , not how to tactically play it.
Yep. I'm sure most of us veterans know what to do: spawn the enemy, get them off, run like hell, fire from long range.

Of course, 343 will likely see that coming. :o

[Edited on 06.05.2012 4:57 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 4:48 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.


Posted by: Isai16
It's not me behind the helmet, it's John-117


I respect your choice. I'm sure you know Bungie attempted to make him as generic as possibly, so that you could view yourself in that helmet.
But behind my Chief's helmet is not Eric Nylund and nobody who wrote the books (although they are great).

Chief is my hero, I daresay that he is to many Halo fans.
It's sad to see his mystery taken away from him. Whatever 343 do to him, it should be gentle and respectful.

  • 06.05.2012 6:38 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.

I would like to make myself clear:

As to Chief - I didn't like his movement during the cutscenes. In Anniversary and Halo 4. Both made by 343. I instead liked how he moved in the original trilogy and how Spartans moved in Reach. Since 1,2,3 weren't as technologically advanced I assume Reach shows Bungie's taste in "cinematic movement."
Now what I like about it: efficient, soldier-like, badass, bit like a cyborg. Simply Spartan.
Also - his speech. He always did one-liners, but only during cutscenes and even then it was rare. He spoke 4 time too many during the trailer.
Now why would I mind him speaking? Because it's Bungie's nice tradition of making the character more generic so that you could place yourself in his shoes. Chief and Noble Six speak rarely and Rookie never even had a voice actor to begin with. This also good in the way you can actually use your imagination and make it up yourself (if you have any, and yes this is meant to be an offense). It gives the character a mystery, very present in Bungie games. (Also remember Cyborg from Marathon - you will understand a lot about Halo if you recall it).
And his armor looks pretty weird to me. Not as aesthetically pleasing as Bungie's MJOLNIR was.I think it shows too much body I guess.
But I do like that you can feel much more like him, since he make more noises (though contra-productively), and the helmet can be seen a little. This is nice.

As of Cortana - I appreciate her talking more, she was always the talker and made up a lot of Halo's atmosphere. Seeing her face is well... interesting I guess, no opinion Skype calls. But what is sad is what they did to her in the trailer. I understand this is not all of her, but if they want to study rampancy, they should play Marathon again.
- Learn from what Bungie was teaching, we play what Bungie teaches. You might not know it, but this is a direct continuation of Halo 3 story. I hoped 343 wouldn't mess with it, since they chose to continue instead of making up their own (lack of imagination, again?). I thought this was obvious, but I suppose I had to make it clear.

As of the Covenant - they look horrible. I like the color scheme they chose, but they look plain bad. Maybe you have the clarification as of why, but I do not wish to delve into it much.

And there's the thing with Forerunners, but I will not bore you with it, since I could rant about it for pAges. I will simply voice my opinion and that is that Greg Bear's books are a crime against the spirit of Halo.

So to be clear: Bungie did some of the things I pointed out different, but some of them wasn't because they were retarded or did not have the technology, but because they did what they thought was best. And they know why they did it. But to me it seems 343 does not, they don't seem to remember what "it" was about and they do eveeerything better, because they know what we need. I think this is arrogant and I can't forgive them for that. I would if they made a completely different story.
But I am in favor of making it more personal, more about exploration. I'm interested in the Forerunners (Halo 3, not novels! and therefore Halo 4), I like to explore and I like mystery. I also like that shot with that tiny Chief looking at Infinity - that was almost like some pretty painting.

Bungie wishes them best, but they are better than me.

[Edited on 06.05.2012 7:32 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 7:22 AM PDT
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One thing that I don't like is that Reach assets are being reused, just like in Anniversary:

-Banshee
-needler, pistol (on the render page)
-scorpion (this screenshot)

Some aesthetic changes but they still look like Reach. The needler looks like a recolor. :/ The other weapons and vehicles look quite different from Reach though and I'm grateful for that.

I don't understand how the DMR and hog get the new treatment but the listed are still Reach. Unless they're placeholders. Hopefully they are.

I'm also concerned about the presence of the Falcon (the possibly 2d models flying around in the screenshot). While it is true that the Hornet was op, it was more technologically advanced. If the Falcon returns and is barely changed, I'd be quite disappointed.

Posted by: George 257
I would like to make myself clear:

As to Chief - I didn't like his movement during the cutscenes. In Anniversary and Halo 4. Both made by 343. I instead liked how he moved in the original trilogy and how Spartans moved in Reach. Since 1,2,3 weren't as technologically advanced I assume Reach shows Bungie's taste in "cinematic movement."
I'm pretty sure motion capture is why Chief moves so differently. All I know is that the Zealot security guard in the Anniversary Silent Cartographer cutscene doesn't fit in.

Posted by: George 257
and the helmet can be seen a little. This is nice.
The fov is great as well.

Posted by: George 257
As of the Covenant - they look horrible. I like the color scheme they chose, but they look plain bad. Maybe you have the clarification as of why, but I do not wish to delve into it much.
It's reverse for me. I like the new look (at least for Grunts but I can see Elites fitting in too) but I have disagreements with some armor colors.

[Edited on 06.05.2012 7:54 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 7:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: George 257
He always did one-liners, but only during cutscenes and even then it was rare. He spoke 4 time too many during the trailer.
Now why would I mind him speaking? Because it's Bungie's nice tradition of making the character more generic so that you could place yourself in his shoes. Chief and Noble Six speak rarely and Rookie never even had a voice actor to begin with. This also good in the way you can actually use your imagination and make it up yourself (if you have any, and yes this is meant to be an offense). It gives the character a mystery, very present in Bungie games. (Also remember Cyborg from Marathon - you will understand a lot about Halo if you recall it).


First of all, the Chief IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GENERIC anymore. That may have been the direction they went with in Halo CE, but as Cortana's role become more significant in Halo 2 and 3, John became more of a character. There are 3 books about John, now a fourth game, there's NO WAY he should remain as a sterile one-liner spewing slate - this game very heavily features Cortana's descent into rampancy, the kind of John you want to see would be completely counter-intuitive to the character develpment 343i want to feature.

With the Rookie, it made sense he didn't talk. Firstly because of his post-traumatic vocal disarticulation after everyone in his squad and Gage died, but also because he's an ODST - he's one of hundreds of thousands of people like him and further to the point, the Rookie was designed as a conduit for the progression of the story. This is not the case with John, he's constantly singled out as being 'special' and different from other Spartan-IIs (which are in short supply too) which means that to leave John as a one-dimensional character for this new story would be a disservice to the character and the story.

Also, take note of what he actually says in his dialogue. It's focused on the mission, he's asking the kind of question that THE PLAYER is going to be asking. There's more than 1 way to relate the player to the character and by having John ask these important questions we're able to do that.

But what is sad is what they did to her in the trailer. I understand this is not all of her, but if they want to study rampancy, they should play Marathon again.

Marathon and Halo are 2 completely different universes, they are not related in any way, shape or form other than a few easter eggs and imagery. Rampancy in Halo and Marathon are 2 completely different things, only the concept is the same.

Learn from what Bungie was teaching, we play what Bungie teaches. You might not know it, but this is a direct continuation of Halo 3 story. I hoped 343 wouldn't mess with it, since they chose to continue instead of making up their own (lack of imagination, again?). I thought this was obvious, but I suppose I had to make it clear.

This still makes no sense. Yes, it's a continuation of Halo 3's story because of the colossal amount of loose ends that Halo 3 left hanging. What do you mean about this "lack of imagination"? This is THEIR OWN STORY, the direction they've gone is completely of their design...

As of the Covenant - they look horrible. I like the color scheme they chose, but they look plain bad. Maybe you have the clarification as of why, but I do not wish to delve into it much.

Then how can this point be taken seriously? By saying you're going to redact an explanation it just sounds like you're making excuses to hate things.

And there's the thing with Forerunners, but I will not bore you with it, since I could rant about it for pAges. I will simply voice my opinion and that is that Greg Bear's books are a crime against the spirit of Halo.

Sigh... Please, do go on about this. I want to see what kind of BS explanation you have for this.

So to be clear: Bungie did some of the things I pointed out different, but some of them wasn't because they were retarded or did not have the technology, but because they did what they thought was best. And they know why they did it. But to me it seems 343 does not, they don't seem to remember what "it" was about and they do eveeerything better, because they know what we need. I think this is arrogant and I can't forgive them for that. I would if they made a completely different story.

Again, WTF are you on about? All I'm getting from you is "Bungie is perfect, 343 suck because they're not doing what I want them to," and yet you neglect any kind of rational explanation.

But I am in favor of making it more personal, more about exploration.

You're clearly not, at EVERY point 343i have put in something for exploration you've shut it down as something bad. According to you:

- Character exploration = bad
- Forerunner exploration = bad
- Exploration of factors beyond what Bungie did = bad
- Exploration of imagery to support the branching narrative = bad

I'm interested in the Forerunners (Halo 3, not novels! and therefore Halo 4)

There is absolutely no difference between the portrayal of the Forerunners in Halo 3's Terminals and the Forerunner Saga. In Halo 3, we hear from a grand total of 3 Forerunners - the Didact, the Librarian and Filial Devotion. Nothing they say poses any contradiction to the portrayal of the Forerunners in Greg Bear's novels.

  • 06.05.2012 8:10 AM PDT


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Posted by: George 257
[quote]And there's the thing with Forerunners, but I will not bore you with it, since I could rant about it for pAges. I will simply voice my opinion and that is that Greg Bear's books are a crime against the spirit of Halo.


Sigh... Please, do go on about this. I want to see what kind of BS explanation you have for this.


Nah, I can see where he's coming from here because I kind of agree myself. I'm of the opinion that the Forerunners should have remained an unfathomable, ancient and now extinct race whose motives we would never truly understand. The fact that we are the 'reclaimers' of a species we knew nothing about made it even more interesting because we never quite knew what that meant or what exactly we were reclaiming.

... maybe it was necessary for the Forerunners to be revealed to further the plot. I think we could still have had all this about the Timeless One and Precursors without a light being shone on every aspect of their society, and it would have been even more interesting because twists such as humanity being the enemy of the Forerunners would have been in-game and would really have sidelined the players, and we'd wonder what the Primordial's deal is.

But it's been done and I'm not angry because it is interesting. I just preferred it when the Forerunners were omniscient progenitors who comitted mass suicide to save the galaxy and left everything they ever made to humanity, including all their conflicts and troubles as well as benefits.

It just doesn't sit right with me that we know more about the Forerunners than we do the Covenant.

  • 06.05.2012 8:52 AM PDT


Posted by: POWER 22
To be honest, I'm a little disappointed by the design of those Forerunner defense things. The environments look great, the overall story seems like it's going to be interesting, and even the idea of teleporting, hard to fight Forerunner things doesn't bother me, but the artistic design of those things...its head opens up and has a human skull in it? Really? I feel like when 343 designed those things they had in mind "what kind of enemy would look really scary" (which ironically, trying to make them scary is what made them unscary) instead of "what would a futuristic Forerunner enemy practically / functionally look like." Don't get me wrong, every once in a while Bungie had a poorly designed character, vehicle, etc, when they made Halo, so maybe 343 will consider a little redesign for Halo 5 to take those things from an obviously video game character-ish monster to a more practical and believable design.
I think it's a Forerunner skull, the area around the nose doesn't match up and the eye sockets seem to be much bigger than a humans.

If it is a Human skull for sure then it probably means the Didact has officially gone insane.

  • 06.05.2012 9:00 AM PDT
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Madara, Tobi....call me whatever you want. I'M NO ONE. I DON'T WANT TO BE ANYONE. ALL I CARE ABOUT IS COMPLETING THE MOON'S EYE PLAN."

@ ajw34307, don't bother with these kind of people, even if you do successfully refute all of his statements, which from my perspective you ARE doing, they will still come back for more.

All though these kind of stubborn people may seem common, they are slowly dying out, more and more fans are evolving just as Halo is. The direction the franchise is going is for the better, even bungie themselves think so. So much is being explained, created, retcons are being cleaned up, characters fleshed out, new enemies created, a new sense of scale is being realized far beyond what we have seen in halo before.

I've been playing since CE, and i love where everything is going. Everything greg bear has done to the forerunner is for the better, they were boring me anyway until cryptum came out. by the way, MC did talk "alot" as george denies he did in CE especially in the two betrayals cinematic, its because he needed to, just as he does in Halo 4 (although i don't think he talked that much in the trailer), it doesn't make him any less badass, he says what is needeed to be said. That said if someone asks him a question he WILL answer, not put on shades and ignore the person. He isn't a 12 year old trying to be cool.

  • 06.05.2012 9:05 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.


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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: George 257
[quote]And there's the thing with Forerunners, but I will not bore you with it, since I could rant about it for pAges. I will simply voice my opinion and that is that Greg Bear's books are a crime against the spirit of Halo.


Sigh... Please, do go on about this. I want to see what kind of BS explanation you have for this.


Nah, I can see where he's coming from here because I kind of agree myself. I'm of the opinion that the Forerunners should have remained an unfathomable, ancient and now extinct race whose motives we would never truly understand. The fact that we are the 'reclaimers' of a species we knew nothing about made it even more interesting because we never quite knew what that meant or what exactly we were reclaiming.

... maybe it was necessary for the Forerunners to be revealed to further the plot. I think we could still have had all this about the Timeless One and Precursors without a light being shone on every aspect of their society, and it would have been even more interesting because twists such as humanity being the enemy of the Forerunners would have been in-game and would really have sidelined the players, and we'd wonder what the Primordial's deal is.

But it's been done and I'm not angry because it is interesting. I just preferred it when the Forerunners were omniscient progenitors who comitted mass suicide to save the galaxy and left everything they ever made to humanity, including all their conflicts and troubles as well as benefits.

It just doesn't sit right with me that we know more about the Forerunners than we do the Covenant.


I agree with you there a lot. The novels are indeed interesting, I would even say EPIC, like maybe even Warcraft epic (sorry for the misuse of word here, it comes to my mind). I just don't think it fit in with Halo lore.

And let me do a bit of an unveil here:
Forerunners are very similar to Jjaro. Bungie obviously brought them into Halo on purpose of making the new universe seem familiar (but I personally have a feeling there is something more to it). Why am I bringing this up? They are similar in so many ways and one of them being is they are benevolent to humans. Jjaro warn you in Pathways into Darkness and fought with Wrkcacnter (a chaotic entity) in Marathon. They did help in some ways.

Now Forerunners don't get much of their lore until Halo 3 terminals (yes, terminals, the only storyline in Marathon), but from what we were guessing, they were considerably nice guys. Like Space Hippies. They had their Mantle, passed down by the Precursor, who simply left (possibly without violence, since Forerunners idolized them a bit). The Mantle was the duty to take care of the species of the galaxy.
So we basically knew nothing, it was mysterious and we could only try and imagine. But there was no need at times, because the mystery was simpy great.

Now with the new books we know everything about them, but also that they are cutthroats and manipulative liars. Now I hate this. We were left in the dark by the mysteriousness that pointed towards the direction of them being not such -blam!-s, and now light has been shed into the story and now we know they are indeed are -blam!-s.
And on top of it - no canon was broken! Of course, there wasn't even any to speak of, we knew nothing.
But what did change? The overall meaning of their character. And this is something I can't forgive.

I say: Next time, leave them mysterious.

  • 06.05.2012 9:12 AM PDT

Bungie created a legend, yes, I agree completely. What they achieved with the series was astounding. But I don't like Halo because Bungie made Halo. I like Halo because I like the story and the universe that is revealed every time a novel, comic or game is released.

I like Halo. Full stop. Of course, if the games and novels were to descend into a load of rubbish then I'd choose not to like those elements, such as the Halo: Flood novel. But I don't discount the rest of the series because of that.

The same goes for 343i. I didn't like the Halo encyclopaedia. It was full of mistakes and the art and imagery used in the book was nothing new, and pretty much all of it was taken from Halo 2 and 3. I wanted fresh artwork and detailed descriptions, not recycled parts. So at first, I was a little pessimistic.

But I'm an open-minded kind of guy, so I gave 343i the opportunity to reclaim some credibility.

Halo 4 is a long awaited follow up to Halo 3 -- a direct continuation of the original trilogy. And what I've seen so far has impressed me. But I'll reserve full judgement (like I would with any game) until I play it.

Your repeated flaming of 343i, and singing the praises of Bungie only highlights one thing: you're a Hypocrite -- an individual who constantly praises areas of work that Bungie did, only to flame the same or similar approach from 343i.

In effect, 343i are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

If they do something new and revolutionary you slate it. If they do something similar to how Bungie did it then you slate them for not coming up with something new. Just be honest, and say you don't like 343i.

I'm a Halo fan, you're not.

You're a Bungie fan, and a trolling one at that.

  • 06.05.2012 9:22 AM PDT

So far reading I have yet to see anyone mention the thing we are all thinking of. This is a sci fi call of duty. I despise call of duty with all my heart and I think it is a terrible game with absolutely no point to its storyline and only bought it because the box makes my book shelf of games look bigger. The E3 demo as well as other sources had several call of duty elements:

1. This is the most disturbing because it was on the actual E3 gameplay. A grenade inidicator that is the exact design of COD's grenade indicator with the arrow wheel.
2. Starting with sprint is another one oh and from concept controller schemes on the web its even going to be the same sprint control in COD
3. Gun classes in multiplayer seriously? Straight out every COD multiplayer since Modern warfare 1
4. Skins for guns in multiplayer as well. Copied from Black Ops and MDW
5. Other main characters besides master chief. You see how well people liked other spartans in halo reach right?

As the great, and slightly mad, 343 guilty spark said: "protocol dicates action". It is protocol that if any studio screws up our great game we bring it back to bungie!

I will not let these people take the game I love and turn it into Call of Squeakers or Black -blam!-*s 2. Join the movement to bring halo back to the studio it belongs!

It does not matter the odds of it coming back to Bungie, we must try. These squeakers are the flood. If we do not act quickly and decisevely Halo will end up just as the forerunners. Halo will be transformed into something that us halo fans will hate.

Let me walk you through the transformation. Call of Duty is attracting more and more younger gamers with its easy gameplay and ability to kill any experienced player with two bullets. If Halo follows in these footsteps than it will also attract younger gamers. This is just the beginning.

Once hundreds of millions of 7 year olds are asking for all these different shooting games parents will wonder, "Gee this seems a little violent I wish they made this a little more family oriented so we can all play!". Call of Duty will then pioneer its first (ESRB) rated E game. It becomes a huge hit and it sells 2 billion copies. Microsoft with its inifinite wisdom will follow COD's footsteps of course and make halo rated T.

Imagine marines saying "What the Fudge is that?!?!" as they look at a forerunner facility that turns out later in the game is made of cardboard while master chief, marines, even covenant are all laughing together and holding hands. This is the nightmarish scenario that could happen to halo. Don't think it will not.

Lol I have never been much for conspiracy theories but still halo is important. I know you can all agree with that at least

  • 06.05.2012 9:42 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: George 257
And let me do a bit of an unveil here:
Forerunners are very similar to Jjaro. Bungie obviously brought them into Halo on purpose of making the new universe seem familiar (but I personally have a feeling there is something more to it). Why am I bringing this up? They are similar in so many ways and one of them being is they are benevolent to humans. Jjaro warn you in Pathways into Darkness and fought with Wrkcacnter (a chaotic entity) in Marathon. They did help in some ways.


The key word you went ahead and used is 'similar'. The Forerunners are SIMILAR to the Jjaro but they are not the same, therefore their portrayals are not going to be the same.

from what we were guessing, they were considerably nice guys. Like Space Hippies. They had their Mantle, passed down by the Precursor, who simply left (possibly without violence, since Forerunners idolized them a bit). The Mantle was the duty to take care of the species of the galaxy.

Now with the new books we know everything about them, but also that they are cutthroats and manipulative liars. Now I hate this. We were left in the dark by the mysteriousness that pointed towards the direction of them being not such -blam!-s, and now light has been shed into the story and now we know they are indeed are -blam!-s.
And on top of it - no canon was broken! Of course, there wasn't even any to speak of, we knew nothing.
But what did change? The overall meaning of their character. And this is something I can't forgive.


No idea where you're getting this 'space hippies' idea from. First of all, you have to ask yourself some fundimental questions when reading the Terminals - how is it that the Forerunner fleet and their weapons are so strong if they were peaceful? How comes there are Forerunner warriors if they're a peaceful race? Why are they so efficient at creating military strategies and putting them into action if they haven't experienced conflict and war?

And also, the Librarian refers to the Mantle and puts the Forerunners in a dark light:
The Mantle. You still hold to that [fairy tale] after all that has happened? After this thing has consumed a million worlds?

Can't you see? Belief in the Mantle sealed our doom! Weakened our [protectorates], bred dependence and sloth. Our [so-called Guardianship] has stripped those we would keep safe of any capacity for self-defense!

Were we such noble [Guardians] when we drew our line and abandoned billions to the parasite?


I want to direct you to a key line:
Our so-called Guardianship has stripped those we would keep safe of any capacity for self-defense!

We have a perfect reflection of this action in the Forerunner Saga - their actions against the San'Shyuum and Ancient Humans. Janjur Qom was placed under quarantine, stripping them of their weapons and humanity were blasted back to the Stone Age - thus ridding them OF ANY CAPACITY FOR SELF-DEFENSE.

There are more lines like this in the Terminals, but that's an extremely prominent one which just seems to be ignored by people who say that the Forerunner were peaceful. They weren't.

Now a key thing you've said:
And on top of it - no canon was broken! Of course, there wasn't even any to speak of, we knew nothing.

We knew enough but what little information we had was pretty much ignored and people formed their own little ideal of an idyllic race that got swept aside by a galactic evil. The prime reason I'm seeing for why people don't like the portrayal of the Forerunners is because it goes against the way the fans headcanoned them - it doesn't work like that, I'm afraid. As Bertrand Russel once said:
"When you are studying any matter or considering any philosophy, ask yourself only - what are the facts?"

[Edited on 06.05.2012 9:46 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 9:46 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.


Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Bungie created a legend, yes, I agree completely. What they achieved with the series was astounding. But I don't like Halo because Bungie made Halo. I like Halo because I like the story and the universe that is revealed every time a novel, comic or game is released.

I like Halo. Full stop. Of course, if the games and novels were to descend into a load of rubbish then I'd choose not to like those elements, such as the Halo: Flood novel. But I don't discount the rest of the series because of that.

The same goes for 343i. I didn't like the Halo encyclopaedia. It was full of mistakes and the art and imagery used in the book was nothing new, and pretty much all of it was taken from Halo 2 and 3. I wanted fresh artwork and detailed descriptions, not recycled parts. So at first, I was a little pessimistic.

But I'm an open-minded kind of guy, so I gave 343i the opportunity to reclaim some credibility.

Halo 4 is a long awaited follow up to Halo 3 -- a direct continuation of the original trilogy. And what I've seen so far has impressed me. But I'll reserve full judgement (like I would with any game) until I play it.

Your repeated flaming of 343i, and singing the praises of Bungie only highlights one thing: you're a Hypocrite -- an individual who constantly praises areas of work that Bungie did, only to flame the same or similar approach from 343i.

In effect, 343i are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

If they do something new and revolutionary you slate it. If they do something similar to how Bungie did it then you slate them for not coming up with something new. Just be honest, and say you don't like 343i.

I'm a Halo fan, you're not.

You're a Bungie fan, and a trolling one at that.


Not true. I thought I would have made myself clear and would expell doubts of my possible hypocrisy by saying that I believe Bungie believes in 343i, but I'm not as good as they are. Bungie pointed out in their games that they believe in, well say, their successors. Precursor to Forerunner (possibly, my theory), Forerunner to John, Bungie to 343i. If it is not just a wild hallucination, I like this idea of leaving enough space for our successors for them to prove themselves. And even to help them out. It is like parental love, and that is beautiful.
But...

343 is doing a lot of stuff with Halo 4 wrong, but I thought Anniversary was great. They did stuff to Reach multiplayer I didn't think possible. I even liked it's graphics more than Reach's (color scheme, hues, saturation, lush environments), because that was how I imagined Halo: CE. I loved the terminals, so personal and emotive (this is what I value about games the most) and tasteful too, didn't seem out of place at all. It was done with gentle care too. Except for those damn cutscenes (by which I mean the movement of the characters, once again), so I would always rather switch back to old graphics. But that was switchable.
Now I'll tell you what I think is their problem. They are continuing with the Core story (which was in my opinion very well ended and could have stayed that way and in fact continuing it is a disgrace to the ending), but with their own soul. Bungie have their soul, 343 their own. They could have made their own damn story with other characters, but no! They had to continue it. Alright fine, but at least with no less respect than with which was Anniversary was done. But NO!
And this is unacceptable! They are ruining it. Now normally I would just say: fine do whatever you want. But I have played Halo since I was 10 years old. I played all the Bungie games and I like all of them. Especially Marathon. It is a HUGE part of my life and I can't simply walk over this. I can't have open-minded people tell me the books are better than the games! I am a hardcore Bungie fan, is what I am. Irrationality in my opinion only proves the truth in my heart.

Halo is and always will be the original trilogy + ODST + Reach. It is the source, the center (as has been proved many times). Because Bungie made it and it is THEIR game. Nobody else could have done it, we are playing Bungie in Halo too.
You are the hyprocite if you like the game and do NOT like the developers. You may like other's take on the story, their interpretation, but if you don't like the source, the core? What are you then?

To clarify: open-mindedness is a good thing and I don't like biased people very much. I was being a bit sarcastic and ironic here. By open-minded I meant doesn't really care for Halo or a individual who doesn't know enough about Halo to properly judge. Hell, I really really starte with Halo 3 and it is most sacred to me. If somebody starts with Halo 5, well... I guess you understand my point.

[Edited on 06.05.2012 10:16 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 9:58 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: George 257
343 is doing a lot of stuff with Halo 4 wrong


*raises brow*

There is no right nor wrong way to go about this, it only further reinforces my point that YOU DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT WITH YOUR PRECONCEPTIONS.

Now I'll tell you what I think is their problem. They are continuing with the Core story (which was in my opinion very well ended and could have stayed that way and in fact continuing it is a disgrace to the ending), but with their own soul. Bungie have their soul, 343 their own. They could have made their own damn story with other characters, but no! They had to continue it. Alright fine, but at least with no less respect than with which was Anniversary was done. But NO!
And this is unacceptable! They are ruining it.


Sigh... will the point ever come across to you that THE ONLY PLOT POINT HALO 3 RESOLVED WAS THE HUMAN-COVENANT WAR, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS LEFT HANGING AND IN THE LAST LEVEL WE'RE EVEN TOLD THAT WE'RE BEING SENT TO THE FORERUNNERS. You make it sound like Bungie had a set path for where this was all going to go afterwards, and even if they did WE DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT. 343i has been 100% faithful with their direction of the story following on FROM WHERE BUNGIE DIRECTED THE STORY TO GO WITH MENDICANT BIAS AND THE FORERUNNERS.

Again, there is no way I can illustrate this in a clearer way.

I can't have open-minded people tell me the books are better than the games! I am a hardcore Bungie fan, is what I am. Irrationality in my opinion only proves the truth in my heart.

There we go, there's your problem, you've said it yourself. You are a close-minded, one-dimensional fool and a Bungie fanboy. You went ahead and proved Max's point as well, that you are not a Halo fan. A Halo fan sees the unity between the other media and the games and how they connect to create a complete universe, you're rejecting this and it's this kind of mentality that made Reach so horrid.

Halo is and always will be the original trilogy + ODST + Reach. It is the source, the center (as has been proved many times). Because Bungie made it and it is THEIR game. Nobody else could have done it, we are playing Bungie in Halo too.
You are the hyprocite if you like the game and do NOT like the developers. You may like other's take on the story, their interpretation, but if you don't like the source, the core? What are you then?


This has to be the most idiotic thing I've ever read. from this alone I can tell you're a lost cause...

EDIT: Awh, cute. Just got this PM:
I thought you got my message when I didn't reply to you at all, but you clearly didn't. So let's make this clear:
I don't want to talk to you. Go on about your own business.


So this essentially means: "You've logically disproved my assertions with evidence, I don't want to make myself look like an idiot by accepting this as it would compromise the portrayal of my ardent fanboyism so I'm going to ignore you."

[Edited on 06.05.2012 10:27 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 10:11 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.

And you just proved what a horrible person you are. Good job.

  • 06.05.2012 10:34 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: George 257
And you just proved what a horrible person you are. Good job.


No, I've proved that I'm able to use logic and evidence to disprove the frankly ridiculous claims you put forward. You're either too blind or too deluded to see that, thus formalities become hostilities.

  • 06.05.2012 10:38 AM PDT


Posted by: Mike the Monsta
So far reading I have yet to see anyone mention the thing we are all thinking of. This is a sci fi call of duty. I despise call of duty with all my heart and I think it is a terrible game with absolutely no point to its storyline.

Okey, now you are just being ignorant, i'm not some call of duty fanboy but saying that it ''absolutely no point to its storyline'' is just idiotic!
Go play call of duty WW and BO zombies, and you will find some -blam!- story!
Also there is story from mw to mw3.
Don't tell something before you are sure about it.
Ps.Zombies have more story than MW to MW3.

  • 06.05.2012 10:41 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: George 257
And you just proved what a horrible person you are. Good job.


No, I've proved that I'm able to use logic and evidence to disprove the frankly ridiculous claims you put forward. You're either too blind or too deluded to see that, thus formalities become hostilities.

You are the one who would assume personal hostilities. As has been proved by all of your replies to my thread.

I was voicing an opinion, a pessimistic one. You are the one who is being aggressive.

To make it clear for you - I didn't mean to talk to you for a reason, and now I can clearly see why. I would have written to you such message, as you have cowardly presented at the thread (when it is a PRIVATE message), the first time you replied. Not because I acknowledge what you say. As such is my message.

I will write to you one more time: I do not wish to talk to you.

[Edited on 06.05.2012 10:46 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 10:42 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: George 257

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: George 257
And you just proved what a horrible person you are. Good job.


No, I've proved that I'm able to use logic and evidence to disprove the frankly ridiculous claims you put forward. You're either too blind or too deluded to see that, thus formalities become hostilities.

You are the one who would assume personal hostilities. As has been proved by all of your replies to my thread.

I was voicing an opinion, a pessimistic one. You are the one who is being aggressive.

To make it clear for you - I didn't mean to talk to you for a reason, and now I can clearly see why. I would have written to you such message, as you have cowardly presented at the thread, the first time you replied. Not because I acknowledge what you say. As such is my message.

I will write to you one more time: I do not wish to talk to you.


You're not being pessimistic, you're being foolish and deluding yourself that ONLY Bungie can do things right. You said this yourself, and just in case you forgot what you said:
I am a hardcore Bungie fan, is what I am. Irrationality in my opinion only proves the truth in my heart.

Again, there it is. This is why you refuse to accept and acknowledge the evidence presented to you. I'd respect your opinion if you had some logical basis for believing what you do, but you don't, you really don't.

  • 06.05.2012 10:46 AM PDT

Goodbye Bungie.

You should work at IGN man! Because you can't spell ignorance without IGN.

Sorry, I had to do that. Don't look at me like that.

  • 06.05.2012 10:48 AM PDT


Posted by: George 257

Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Bungie created a legend, yes, I agree completely. What they achieved with the series was astounding. But I don't like Halo because Bungie made Halo. I like Halo because I like the story and the universe that is revealed every time a novel, comic or game is released.

I like Halo. Full stop. Of course, if the games and novels were to descend into a load of rubbish then I'd choose not to like those elements, such as the Halo: Flood novel. But I don't discount the rest of the series because of that.

The same goes for 343i. I didn't like the Halo encyclopaedia. It was full of mistakes and the art and imagery used in the book was nothing new, and pretty much all of it was taken from Halo 2 and 3. I wanted fresh artwork and detailed descriptions, not recycled parts. So at first, I was a little pessimistic.

But I'm an open-minded kind of guy, so I gave 343i the opportunity to reclaim some credibility.

Halo 4 is a long awaited follow up to Halo 3 -- a direct continuation of the original trilogy. And what I've seen so far has impressed me. But I'll reserve full judgement (like I would with any game) until I play it.

Your repeated flaming of 343i, and singing the praises of Bungie only highlights one thing: you're a Hypocrite -- an individual who constantly praises areas of work that Bungie did, only to flame the same or similar approach from 343i.

In effect, 343i are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

If they do something new and revolutionary you slate it. If they do something similar to how Bungie did it then you slate them for not coming up with something new. Just be honest, and say you don't like 343i.

I'm a Halo fan, you're not.

You're a Bungie fan, and a trolling one at that.


Not true. I thought I would have made myself clear and would expell doubts of my possible hypocrisy by saying that I believe Bungie believes in 343i, but I'm not as good as they are. Bungie pointed out in their games that they believe in, well say, their successors. Precursor to Forerunner (possibly, my theory), Forerunner to John, Bungie to 343i. If it is not just a wild hallucination, I like this idea of leaving enough space for our successors for them to prove themselves. And even to help them out. It is like parental love, and that is beautiful.
But...

343 is doing a lot of stuff with Halo 4 wrong, but I thought Anniversary was great. They did stuff to Reach multiplayer I didn't think possible. I even liked it's graphics more than Reach's (color scheme, hues, saturation, lush environments), because that was how I imagined Halo: CE. I loved the terminals, so personal and emotive (this is what I value about games the most) and tasteful too, didn't seem out of place at all. It was done with gentle care too. Except for those damn cutscenes (by which I mean the movement of the characters, once again), so I would always rather switch back to old graphics. But that was switchable.
Now I'll tell you what I think is their problem. They are continuing with the Core story (which was in my opinion very well ended and could have stayed that way and in fact continuing it is a disgrace to the ending), but with their own soul. Bungie have their soul, 343 their own. They could have made their own damn story with other characters, but no! They had to continue it. Alright fine, but at least with no less respect than with which was Anniversary was done. But NO!
And this is unacceptable! They are ruining it. Now normally I would just say: fine do whatever you want. But I have played Halo since I was 10 years old. I played all the Bungie games and I like all of them. Especially Marathon. It is a HUGE part of my life and I can't simply walk over this. I can't have open-minded people tell me the books are better than the games! I am a hardcore Bungie fan, is what I am. Irrationality in my opinion only proves the truth in my heart.

Halo is and always will be the original trilogy + ODST + Reach. It is the source, the center (as has been proved many times). Because Bungie made it and it is THEIR game. Nobody else could have done it, we are playing Bungie in Halo too.
You are the hyprocite if you like the game and do NOT like the developers. You may like other's take on the story, their interpretation, but if you don't like the source, the core? What are you then?

To clarify: open-mindedness is a good thing and I don't like biased people very much. I was being a bit sarcastic and ironic here. By open-minded I meant doesn't really care for Halo or a individual who doesn't know enough about Halo to properly judge. Hell, I really really starte with Halo 3 and it is most sacred to me. If somebody starts with Halo 5, well... I guess you understand my point.

Too bad that there isn't a ''report'' button for stupid people.

How do you know that 343i is doing anything wrong with halo, we just got a god damn glimpse, nothing more nothing less, it is like judging the book by it's cover or it's autor.

  • 06.05.2012 10:49 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.

Posted by: AnubissWarior
How do you know that 343i is doing anything wrong with halo, we just got a god damn glimpse, nothing more nothing less, it is like judging the book by it's cover or it's autor.


I have to admit I am a bit jumpy, I haven't seen the final game. It is just that I care too much for it to go wrong. But from what I see, I don't like.

Oh well, have fun with your Halo. I know it isn't mine. Thank you for such revelation, no offense meant, honest.

[Edited on 06.05.2012 10:55 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 10:54 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: George 257

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: George 257
And you just proved what a horrible person you are. Good job.


No, I've proved that I'm able to use logic and evidence to disprove the frankly ridiculous claims you put forward. You're either too blind or too deluded to see that, thus formalities become hostilities.

You are the one who would assume personal hostilities. As has been proved by all of your replies to my thread.

I was voicing an opinion, a pessimistic one. You are the one who is being aggressive.

To make it clear for you - I didn't mean to talk to you for a reason, and now I can clearly see why. I would have written to you such message, as you have cowardly presented at the thread, the first time you replied. Not because I acknowledge what you say. As such is my message.

I will write to you one more time: I do not wish to talk to you.


You're not being pessimistic, you're being foolish and deluding yourself that ONLY Bungie can do things right. You said this yourself, and just in case you forgot what you said:
I am a hardcore Bungie fan, is what I am. Irrationality in my opinion only proves the truth in my heart.

Again, there it is. This is why you refuse to accept and acknowledge the evidence presented to you. I'd respect your opinion if you had some logical basis for believing what you do, but you don't, you really don't.

''grabs popcorn''.go on.

Awj-''let the fool be a fool'', ''if you argue with fools, they will take you down to their level and beat you in their own game.''
''Arguing with fool is like playing chess with a bird, you can defeat it by using strategy and rational thinking but at the end, the bird will -blam!- on the table and walk away like it was victorious.''
3 beautiful quotes.

  • 06.05.2012 10:56 AM PDT


Posted by: George 257
Posted by: AnubissWarior
How do you know that 343i is doing anything wrong with halo, we just got a god damn glimpse, nothing more nothing less, it is like judging the book by it's cover or it's autor.



Oh well, have fun with your Halo.
well, have fun with your Halo
have fun with your Halo
fun with your Halo
with your Halo
your Halo -
.

Sorry, but i don't understand what you meant with ''your halo''.

  • 06.05.2012 10:59 AM PDT

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