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It is about time Master chief acquired a personality. He is just too iconic in the lore, and reality to believe it is not him performing these actions.

[Edited on 06.05.2012 11:04 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 11:02 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.


Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: George 257
Posted by: AnubissWarior
How do you know that 343i is doing anything wrong with halo, we just got a god damn glimpse, nothing more nothing less, it is like judging the book by it's cover or it's autor.



Oh well, have fun with your Halo.
well, have fun with your Halo
have fun with your Halo
fun with your Halo
with your Halo
your Halo -
.

Sorry, but i don't understand what you meant with ''your halo''.


Do not put such significance to it, it doesn't really matter that much. But if you must know: I mean your Halo as of in the matter of relativity. We all have our own perception of an object.

I have my Halo, you have yours.

  • 06.05.2012 11:03 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: AnubissWarior
''Arguing with fool is like playing chess with a bird, you can defeat it by using strategy and rational thinking but at the end, the bird will -blam!- on the table and walk away like it was victorious.''
3 beautiful quotes.


Wise words, point taken.

  • 06.05.2012 11:10 AM PDT


Posted by: George 257

Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: George 257
Posted by: AnubissWarior
How do you know that 343i is doing anything wrong with halo, we just got a god damn glimpse, nothing more nothing less, it is like judging the book by it's cover or it's autor.



Oh well, have fun with your Halo.
well, have fun with your Halo
have fun with your Halo
fun with your Halo
with your Halo
your Halo -
.

Sorry, but i don't understand what you meant with ''your halo''.


Do not put such significance to it, it doesn't really matter that much. But if you must know: I mean your Halo as of in the matter of relativity. We all have our own perception of an object.

I have my Halo, you have yours.

So you are talking about mater of perception?
''what if we all see the colors different but call them the same?''
Halo is halo, yours is the same as mine but we see them different.

[Edited on 06.05.2012 11:11 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 11:11 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.


Posted by: AnubissWarior
So you are talking about mater of perception?
''what if we all see the colors different but call them the same?''
Halo is halo, yours is the same as mine but we see them different.


I agree. As there is only one tru7h - We just all see it different. Making us individuals. I have come to this conclusion now.

[Edited on 06.05.2012 11:19 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 11:18 AM PDT


Posted by: George 257

Posted by: AnubissWarior
So you are talking about mater of perception?
''what if we all see the colors different but call them the same?''
Halo is halo, yours is the same as mine but we see them different.


I agree. As there is only one tru7h - We just all see it different. Making us individuals. I have come to this conclusion now.

then i shall be happy for you

  • 06.05.2012 11:20 AM PDT

If it is really just down to a matter of perception then you picked the worst possible topic heading. It's already stating your view:

'Halo 4 Dissing'


Perhaps 'Halo 4 Opinions' or 'My Thoughts on Halo 4'

I accept that opinions vary and that what we've seen of Halo 4 makes our opinions a mute point but the current title of the topic is anything but mute as far as you're concerned. It has troll written all over it.

  • 06.05.2012 11:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: George 257

Posted by: Isai16
It's not me behind the helmet, it's John-117


I respect your choice. I'm sure you know Bungie attempted to make him as generic as possibly, so that you could view yourself in that helmet.
But behind my Chief's helmet is not Eric Nylund and nobody who wrote the books (although they are great).

Chief is my hero, I daresay that he is to many Halo fans.
It's sad to see his mystery taken away from him. Whatever 343 do to him, it should be gentle and respectful.


Yeah, no. Bungie was lazy, so they decided to make him "you," that way they didn't have to flesh out an story to him. And if you believe that John is you, he has no mystery whatsoever.

  • 06.05.2012 12:21 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Posted by: George 257
Posted by: Isai16
It's not me behind the helmet, it's John-117

I respect your choice.

*facepalm*

It's not a choice...

You're playing as the Master Chief. John-117. An actual character with a backstory and personality. Not some lazy blank slate like Noble 6.

[Edited on 06.05.2012 12:39 PM PDT]

  • 06.05.2012 12:38 PM PDT


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Posted by: George 257
Posted by: Isai16
It's not me behind the helmet, it's John-117

I respect your choice.

*facepalm*

It's not a choice...

You're playing as the Master Chief. John-117. An actual character with a backstory and personality. Not some lazy blank slate like Noble 6.

People have a choice to imagine them in that suit, just like rookie and n6.

  • 06.05.2012 12:42 PM PDT


Posted by: George 257
I've been meaning to diss Halo 4 for a long time. And I have been dissing it so far, but this might interest you more than what I have been cooking up:

343 learned nothing from Bungie. To me it seems they think they know everything better. They made John speak a lot, they make him move a lot during cutscenes, they make him vulnerable and they oh god brought the BR back! YES!
To me it seems as if they are listening to Halo "fans" whining and they are making EVERYTHING better!
Now what if I told you, Bungie were never idiots. What they did was because they made choices! Ohh, what if they made John seldom speak because it was bad-ass and because it was YOU behind that helmet. Now it is some guy who talks too much.
It is Bungie's love and generosity that allows them to tolerate this. I cannot.
Yup.


Posted by: Courageous Mike
It looks alot like Crysis to me.

The bad guys look almost exactly like the Ceph.
Yes.


Posted by: FalconStickr
117 is a quiet man and you should know that. He dosnt need to speak his actions say everything. And I think the OP forgets that Halo 1,2&3 were made when the tech wasnt as good as it is now. Halo 4 just looks disappointing. 343 wont get my money
Indeed.


Posted by: ErranInfigo
They basically reskinned human weapons and called them forerunner weapons, then added an effect where the enemies atomized upon death.
Yeah.


Posted by: the real Janaka
Just wanted to add my voice to the choir, saying that Halo 4 looked bland at best, great graphics, but still...

Halo has taken inspiration from various fictions in the past, but always managed to refine and make them its own. Whatever it was MS showed at E3 was not refined. It hurts me when I look at something that's supposed to be Halo, and all I see is Crysis (foremost 2) and some other sci-fi stereotypes.

And ontop of that we have the cinematography, script and direction, everything feels off. Are those aspects of the game that is in need of renewal? Are they really that stale and old?

Cortana screaming in the end for instance, who directed that mess? Poor Jen...

I know 343i has said that they're making Halo their own, in that case they should at least have the courtesy of calling it "343i's Halo 4", just like Peter Jackson did with King Kong.

Furthermore: as a friend pointed out, Chief Made a fantastic choice when directly rushing forth, just after having seen an elite being disintegrated within a second, by a single beam. Good move Chief, good move.
Exactly! Especially the part about Cortana.


Posted by: Raksonix
I just don't like what they have done with the weapons, like the sniper rifle from halo 3 looked really nice and now they made it ugly in my opinion. Same with the battle riffle, the only weapon that looked better in the gameplay was the assault rifle, and to be fair i am barely going going to use that gun online or even in the campaign. I think if they change things it should be for the better and not to make things worse.
Yep.


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Posted by: Courageous Mike
It looks alot like Crysis to me.
Crysis was always a copy of Halo. Not an exact copy, but there were way too many similarities. That was back when it was a good game, so I wasn't bothered with it. Now Crysis is a number of other popular games added into the mix and has become a linear piece of crap. If 343i do to Halo what CryTek did to Crysis, Halo 4 will be one horrible game.
Kinda agreed. Kinda.


Posted by: George 257
I would like to make myself clear:

As to Chief - I didn't like his movement during the cutscenes. In Anniversary and Halo 4. Both made by 343. I instead liked how he moved in the original trilogy and how Spartans moved in Reach. Since 1,2,3 weren't as technologically advanced I assume Reach shows Bungie's taste in "cinematic movement."
Now what I like about it: efficient, soldier-like, badass, bit like a cyborg. Simply Spartan.
Also - his speech. He always did one-liners, but only during cutscenes and even then it was rare. He spoke 4 time too many during the trailer.
Now why would I mind him speaking? Because it's Bungie's nice tradition of making the character more generic so that you could place yourself in his shoes. Chief and Noble Six speak rarely and Rookie never even had a voice actor to begin with. This also good in the way you can actually use your imagination and make it up yourself (if you have any, and yes this is meant to be an offense). It gives the character a mystery, very present in Bungie games. (Also remember Cyborg from Marathon - you will understand a lot about Halo if you recall it).
And his armor looks pretty weird to me. Not as aesthetically pleasing as Bungie's MJOLNIR was.I think it shows too much body I guess.
But I do like that you can feel much more like him, since he make more noises (though contra-productively), and the helmet can be seen a little. This is nice.

As of Cortana - I appreciate her talking more, she was always the talker and made up a lot of Halo's atmosphere. Seeing her face is well... interesting I guess, no opinion Skype calls. But what is sad is what they did to her in the trailer. I understand this is not all of her, but if they want to study rampancy, they should play Marathon again.
- Learn from what Bungie was teaching, we play what Bungie teaches. You might not know it, but this is a direct continuation of Halo 3 story. I hoped 343 wouldn't mess with it, since they chose to continue instead of making up their own (lack of imagination, again?). I thought this was obvious, but I suppose I had to make it clear.

As of the Covenant - they look horrible. I like the color scheme they chose, but they look plain bad. Maybe you have the clarification as of why, but I do not wish to delve into it much.

And there's the thing with Forerunners, but I will not bore you with it, since I could rant about it for pAges. I will simply voice my opinion and that is that Greg Bear's books are a crime against the spirit of Halo.

So to be clear: Bungie did some of the things I pointed out different, but some of them wasn't because they were retarded or did not have the technology, but because they did what they thought was best. And they know why they did it. But to me it seems 343 does not, they don't seem to remember what "it" was about and they do eveeerything better, because they know what we need. I think this is arrogant and I can't forgive them for that. I would if they made a completely different story.
But I am in favor of making it more personal, more about exploration. I'm interested in the Forerunners (Halo 3, not novels! and therefore Halo 4), I like to explore and I like mystery. I also like that shot with that tiny Chief looking at Infinity - that was almost like some pretty painting.

Bungie wishes them best, but they are better than me.
Hmmmm. Some things i disagree with.

  • 06.07.2012 2:53 AM PDT


Posted by: George 257

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: George 257
And there's the thing with Forerunners, but I will not bore you with it, since I could rant about it for pAges. I will simply voice my opinion and that is that Greg Bear's books are a crime against the spirit of Halo.

Sigh... Please, do go on about this. I want to see what kind of BS explanation you have for this.


Nah, I can see where he's coming from here because I kind of agree myself. I'm of the opinion that the Forerunners should have remained an unfathomable, ancient and now extinct race whose motives we would never truly understand. The fact that we are the 'reclaimers' of a species we knew nothing about made it even more interesting because we never quite knew what that meant or what exactly we were reclaiming.

... maybe it was necessary for the Forerunners to be revealed to further the plot. I think we could still have had all this about the Timeless One and Precursors without a light being shone on every aspect of their society, and it would have been even more interesting because twists such as humanity being the enemy of the Forerunners would have been in-game and would really have sidelined the players, and we'd wonder what the Primordial's deal is.

But it's been done and I'm not angry because it is interesting. I just preferred it when the Forerunners were omniscient progenitors who comitted mass suicide to save the galaxy and left everything they ever made to humanity, including all their conflicts and troubles as well as benefits.

It just doesn't sit right with me that we know more about the Forerunners than we do the Covenant.


I agree with you there a lot. The novels are indeed interesting, I would even say EPIC, like maybe even Warcraft epic (sorry for the misuse of word here, it comes to my mind). I just don't think it fit in with Halo lore.

And let me do a bit of an unveil here:
Forerunners are very similar to Jjaro. Bungie obviously brought them into Halo on purpose of making the new universe seem familiar (but I personally have a feeling there is something more to it). Why am I bringing this up? They are similar in so many ways and one of them being is they are benevolent to humans. Jjaro warn you in Pathways into Darkness and fought with Wrkcacnter (a chaotic entity) in Marathon. They did help in some ways.

Now Forerunners don't get much of their lore until Halo 3 terminals (yes, terminals, the only storyline in Marathon), but from what we were guessing, they were considerably nice guys. Like Space Hippies. They had their Mantle, passed down by the Precursor, who simply left (possibly without violence, since Forerunners idolized them a bit). The Mantle was the duty to take care of the species of the galaxy.
So we basically knew nothing, it was mysterious and we could only try and imagine. But there was no need at times, because the mystery was simpy great.

Now with the new books we know everything about them, but also that they are cutthroats and manipulative liars. Now I hate this. We were left in the dark by the mysteriousness that pointed towards the direction of them being not such -blam!-s, and now light has been shed into the story and now we know they are indeed are -blam!-s.
And on top of it - no canon was broken! Of course, there wasn't even any to speak of, we knew nothing.
But what did change? The overall meaning of their character. And this is something I can't forgive.

I say: Next time, leave them mysterious.
Again, i agree with almost everything, except i don't like the books at all.


Posted by: Mike the Monsta
So far reading I have yet to see anyone mention the thing we are all thinking of. This is a sci fi call of duty. I despise call of duty with all my heart and I think it is a terrible game with absolutely no point to its storyline and only bought it because the box makes my book shelf of games look bigger. The E3 demo as well as other sources had several call of duty elements:

1. This is the most disturbing because it was on the actual E3 gameplay. A grenade inidicator that is the exact design of COD's grenade indicator with the arrow wheel.
2. Starting with sprint is another one oh and from concept controller schemes on the web its even going to be the same sprint control in COD
3. Gun classes in multiplayer seriously? Straight out every COD multiplayer since Modern warfare 1
4. Skins for guns in multiplayer as well. Copied from Black Ops and MDW
5. Other main characters besides master chief. You see how well people liked other spartans in halo reach right?

As the great, and slightly mad, 343 guilty spark said: "protocol dicates action". It is protocol that if any studio screws up our great game we bring it back to bungie!

I will not let these people take the game I love and turn it into Call of Squeakers or Black -blam!-*s 2. Join the movement to bring halo back to the studio it belongs!

It does not matter the odds of it coming back to Bungie, we must try. These squeakers are the flood. If we do not act quickly and decisevely Halo will end up just as the forerunners. Halo will be transformed into something that us halo fans will hate.

Let me walk you through the transformation. Call of Duty is attracting more and more younger gamers with its easy gameplay and ability to kill any experienced player with two bullets. If Halo follows in these footsteps than it will also attract younger gamers. This is just the beginning.

Once hundreds of millions of 7 year olds are asking for all these different shooting games parents will wonder, "Gee this seems a little violent I wish they made this a little more family oriented so we can all play!". Call of Duty will then pioneer its first (ESRB) rated E game. It becomes a huge hit and it sells 2 billion copies. Microsoft with its inifinite wisdom will follow COD's footsteps of course and make halo rated T.

Imagine marines saying "What the Fudge is that?!?!" as they look at a forerunner facility that turns out later in the game is made of cardboard while master chief, marines, even covenant are all laughing together and holding hands. This is the nightmarish scenario that could happen to halo. Don't think it will not.

Lol I have never been much for conspiracy theories but still halo is important. I know you can all agree with that at least
This.


Posted by: George 257

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: George 257
And you just proved what a horrible person you are. Good job.


No, I've proved that I'm able to use logic and evidence to disprove the frankly ridiculous claims you put forward. You're either too blind or too deluded to see that, thus formalities become hostilities.

You are the one who would assume personal hostilities. As has been proved by all of your replies to my thread.

I was voicing an opinion, a pessimistic one. You are the one who is being aggressive.

To make it clear for you - I didn't mean to talk to you for a reason, and now I can clearly see why. I would have written to you such message, as you have cowardly presented at the thread (when it is a PRIVATE message), the first time you replied. Not because I acknowledge what you say. As such is my message.

I will write to you one more time: I do not wish to talk to you.
ajw34307 is a bit worked up i think. I wonder why he is still on BNet. To correct "naysayers" maybe.


Posted by: ajw34307

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I'd respect your opinion if you had some logical basis for believing what you do, but you don't, you really don't.
So what?



Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: George 257
Posted by: AnubissWarior
How do you know that 343i is doing anything wrong with halo, we just got a god damn glimpse, nothing more nothing less, it is like judging the book by it's cover or it's autor.



Oh well, have fun with your Halo.
well, have fun with your Halo
have fun with your Halo
fun with your Halo
with your Halo
your Halo -
.

Sorry, but i don't understand what you meant with ''your halo''.
LOL

So i think Halo 4 is BS. Bring it.

  • 06.07.2012 3:09 AM PDT
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Halo 4 was amazing, from a game most people didn't know about to the most tweeted E3 related thing.

Preorders tripled this week.

The demo reception was generally positive from all sources, except butthurt Halo fans themselves.

  • 06.07.2012 3:16 AM PDT


Posted by: Quantam
Halo 4 was amazing, from a game most people didn't know about to the most tweeted E3 related thing.
Yeah. Nobody knew it was coming. I'm surprised myself.

Posted by: Quantam
Preorders tripled this week.
Well, ever heard of COD? I think it sold pretty good. And you can probably tell what i think of it.

Posted by: Quantam
The demo reception was generally positive from all sources, except butthurt Halo fans themselves.
So Halo fans and critics = butthurt people now? Interesting.

Enlighten me. (Only with hard light, please.)

  • 06.07.2012 3:25 AM PDT
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John does not speak alot. frankie confirmed they are not going to have him preaching monologues. the chief is still the chief with his BA one liners.

  • 06.07.2012 9:37 AM PDT

About me: I am a vicious wolf of a man.

But really am sweet at heart. =)

This is what drives me wild about the Halo community. The majority make fun of MLG for only using certain weapons of the Halo sandbox, but whenever a new element is added it is ruthlessly attacked as the diehard Bungie fanboys cling to their outdated concepts and their decent to mediocre developer.

The fact of the matter is that Bungie is not a god tier developer that makes no mistakes, even Halo 1, which many people consider to be the "best game ever" had flaws, that we praise for being "more open" and "better"

Go ahead and play Assault on the Control Room again, the level is two freaking hours long and you only get around 3 checkpoints. It's not nearly as fun as you remember it. And do you really think The Library will be better than anything 343i can put out? I doubt it.

And of course there's Reach. If the OP really wants to complain about bad character development they can just look at Noble Team and Noble 6. They tried to put us behind the helmet of Noble 6 and most people who know how to write a decent story agree that Reach's story fell flat on it's face with out connecting to any of the characters, and I personally know I never felt like Noble 6 or part of noble team during the entire campaign.

Change is good. If Bungie had stayed true to the original Halo CE formula for Halo 2 people would have hated it. The Magnum was the only good weapon, vehicles were crappy and unrealistic, and everything looked like a polygon. If Bungie had just re-released Halo CE as Halo 2 it would have gotten dismal reviews. If they had decided not to add XBL functionality console online gaming would still be in it's infancy.

What 343i is trying to do is not "tweak" the Halo formula, just refine it. They are giving more options to the players, they are keeping Halo the same, but also making it more accessable for this generation coming from CoD, Battlefield, and other games.

Armor Abilities just add player choice, loadouts allow players to tweak to their playing style. And every single person working at 343 is a fan of Halo, and a veteran in their game design field. We can put our trust in the fact that they WILL do the best job possible on this game to make the game balanced, and the narrative compelling, considering the huge limb Microsoft has put out to make 343i possible.

Finally. I have absolutely no problem with the Master Chief talking, or his personality explored. Since the day I first played Halo 2, my first Halo game, I understood that I wasn't the Master Chief. He had been on Halo. He had trained to be a super soldier all his life. Bungie was never trying to put us in his shoes. He was the centre of a grand space opera that we were watching. I think that it's oustanding 343 is going to be exploring that more and mixing the books together with game canon.

TLDR: Haters, shutup, you've seen 2 minutes of campaign footage and it's too early to pass judgement on a game from an unproven studio. Shush.

  • 06.07.2012 10:01 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Gottalovec4
Finally. I have absolutely no problem with the Master Chief talking, or his personality explored. Since the day I first played Halo 2, my first Halo game, I understood that I wasn't the Master Chief. He had been on Halo. He had trained to be a super soldier all his life. Bungie was never trying to put us in his shoes. He was the centre of a grand space opera that we were watching. I think that it's oustanding 343 is going to be exploring that more and mixing the books together with game canon.


Thank you! You're now my new best friend.

  • 06.07.2012 10:23 AM PDT


Posted by: Gottalovec4
This is what drives me wild about the Halo community. The majority make fun of MLG for only using certain weapons of the Halo sandbox, but whenever a new element is added it is ruthlessly attacked as the diehard Bungie fanboys cling to their outdated concepts and their decent to mediocre developer.

The fact of the matter is that Bungie is not a god tier developer that makes no mistakes, even Halo 1, which many people consider to be the "best game ever" had flaws, that we praise for being "more open" and "better"

Go ahead and play Assault on the Control Room again, the level is two freaking hours long and you only get around 3 checkpoints. It's not nearly as fun as you remember it. And do you really think The Library will be better than anything 343i can put out? I doubt it.

And of course there's Reach. If the OP really wants to complain about bad character development they can just look at Noble Team and Noble 6. They tried to put us behind the helmet of Noble 6 and most people who know how to write a decent story agree that Reach's story fell flat on it's face with out connecting to any of the characters, and I personally know I never felt like Noble 6 or part of noble team during the entire campaign.

Change is good. If Bungie had stayed true to the original Halo CE formula for Halo 2 people would have hated it. The Magnum was the only good weapon, vehicles were crappy and unrealistic, and everything looked like a polygon. If Bungie had just re-released Halo CE as Halo 2 it would have gotten dismal reviews. If they had decided not to add XBL functionality console online gaming would still be in it's infancy.

What 343i is trying to do is not "tweak" the Halo formula, just refine it. They are giving more options to the players, they are keeping Halo the same, but also making it more accessable for this generation coming from CoD, Battlefield, and other games.

Armor Abilities just add player choice, loadouts allow players to tweak to their playing style. And every single person working at 343 is a fan of Halo, and a veteran in their game design field. We can put our trust in the fact that they WILL do the best job possible on this game to make the game balanced, and the narrative compelling, considering the huge limb Microsoft has put out to make 343i possible.

Finally. I have absolutely no problem with the Master Chief talking, or his personality explored. Since the day I first played Halo 2, my first Halo game, I understood that I wasn't the Master Chief. He had been on Halo. He had trained to be a super soldier all his life. Bungie was never trying to put us in his shoes. He was the centre of a grand space opera that we were watching. I think that it's oustanding 343 is going to be exploring that more and mixing the books together with game canon. [...]
Halo 4 is just uneccessary, you know.


Posted by: Gottalovec4
TLDR: Haters, shutup, you've seen 2 minutes of campaign footage and it's too early to pass judgement on a game from an unproven studio. Shush.
So how can you judge it then?

  • 06.07.2012 11:07 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: realdomdom
Halo 4 is just uneccessary, you know.


What you just said is wrong on so many levels...

  • 06.07.2012 11:12 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: realdomdom
Halo 4 is just uneccessary, you know.


What you just said is wrong on so many levels...
I guess you added that picture for "proving the truth" or something.
Well, I'm not gonna click it, like the ignorant person I am.

  • 06.07.2012 11:18 AM PDT

About me: I am a vicious wolf of a man.

But really am sweet at heart. =)


Posted by: realdomdom

Posted by: Gottalovec4
This is what drives me wild about the Halo community. The majority make fun of MLG for only using certain weapons of the Halo sandbox, but whenever a new element is added it is ruthlessly attacked as the diehard Bungie fanboys cling to their outdated concepts and their decent to mediocre developer.

The fact of the matter is that Bungie is not a god tier developer that makes no mistakes, even Halo 1, which many people consider to be the "best game ever" had flaws, that we praise for being "more open" and "better"

Go ahead and play Assault on the Control Room again, the level is two freaking hours long and you only get around 3 checkpoints. It's not nearly as fun as you remember it. And do you really think The Library will be better than anything 343i can put out? I doubt it.

And of course there's Reach. If the OP really wants to complain about bad character development they can just look at Noble Team and Noble 6. They tried to put us behind the helmet of Noble 6 and most people who know how to write a decent story agree that Reach's story fell flat on it's face with out connecting to any of the characters, and I personally know I never felt like Noble 6 or part of noble team during the entire campaign.

Change is good. If Bungie had stayed true to the original Halo CE formula for Halo 2 people would have hated it. The Magnum was the only good weapon, vehicles were crappy and unrealistic, and everything looked like a polygon. If Bungie had just re-released Halo CE as Halo 2 it would have gotten dismal reviews. If they had decided not to add XBL functionality console online gaming would still be in it's infancy.

What 343i is trying to do is not "tweak" the Halo formula, just refine it. They are giving more options to the players, they are keeping Halo the same, but also making it more accessable for this generation coming from CoD, Battlefield, and other games.

Armor Abilities just add player choice, loadouts allow players to tweak to their playing style. And every single person working at 343 is a fan of Halo, and a veteran in their game design field. We can put our trust in the fact that they WILL do the best job possible on this game to make the game balanced, and the narrative compelling, considering the huge limb Microsoft has put out to make 343i possible.

Finally. I have absolutely no problem with the Master Chief talking, or his personality explored. Since the day I first played Halo 2, my first Halo game, I understood that I wasn't the Master Chief. He had been on Halo. He had trained to be a super soldier all his life. Bungie was never trying to put us in his shoes. He was the centre of a grand space opera that we were watching. I think that it's oustanding 343 is going to be exploring that more and mixing the books together with game canon. [...]
Halo 4 is just uneccessary, you know.


Posted by: Gottalovec4
TLDR: Haters, shutup, you've seen 2 minutes of campaign footage and it's too early to pass judgement on a game from an unproven studio. Shush.
So how can you judge it then?


You're correct in that I'm assuming the game will be good based on what I've seen. BUT, what I'm not doing is saying it will be good because of one specific thing. Which is what the haters are doing. They're assuming the game will be bad based on evidence that hasn't been shown yet.

I'm optomistic about Halo 4 because it seems 343i has a rockstar dev team that cares about the franchise.

Then again I was about Reach too, and it was a pile of slag. Its different from blindly hating a game based on my own personal feelings though.

  • 06.07.2012 3:23 PM PDT

DO WORK.

if 1+1=2, then are muffins better than pancakes?

I'm really excited for the storyline and whatnot coming with Halo 4. I think the Chief talking more is fine, but i actually like the anonymity and few vocals. I understand that i'm not John when i play, but its almost like giving him too much of a personality takes away from becoming more immersed into the role.

However, i'm terrified at how the multiplayer is gonna look like. I played "competitive" halo 3 religiously (i played ranked and whatnot and took it fairly seriously) and loved doing so. Reach was a step towards the more casual gamer, which i completely understand Bungie doing, but at least give competitive gamers a single gametype or something to play for. Yes, the 1-50 system was broken, but the Arena fell flat on it's face in terms of competitive gameplay.

Now we've got ordinance drops and a more COD-like customization. Don't get me wrong, customization is great but it's meaningless if gameplay isn't up to par. My BR and armor can look amazing but what's the use if i'm not having fun. I literally read an article yesterday that stated how power weapons on the maps would be marked so players "wouldn't have to memorize map layouts". I facepalmed immediately.

The new loadouts and such are such a huge step away from traditional halo gameplay that I absolutely cannot understand. But it appears that i'll just have to wait, hope for the best, and possibly just enjoy halo 4 as a more mindless social game.

  • 06.07.2012 4:09 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: George 257
Ohh, what if they made John seldom speak because it was bad-ass


Only so far, and because John was not the focus of the original trilogy. In the Reclaimer Trilogy, the focus will be more of John's humanity. As such it's highly relevant that he talk more.

because it was YOU behind that helmet.

This has never been the case. Ever. I don't know the reasons for not showing the Chief's face. Probably because it wouldn't live up to some fans impossible expectations. But we have always known what John relatively looks like through the Fall of Reach, we have always known what he sounded like. None of that was ever meant to be "us" like the Rookie and less-so Noble Six were meant to be. Especially if you're a girl gamer. How are they to relate to John?

Now it is some guy who talks too much.

You know, he actually didn't talk that much in the demo. Quichabichin.

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
The Sprint armor ability pick up shows up at 1:20 in this video.

Saw nothing of a pick-up, and "sprint" is a core ability now, not a pick-up.

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Posted by: Mike the Monsta
1. This is the most disturbing because it was on the actual E3 gameplay. A grenade inidicator that is the exact design of COD's grenade indicator with the arrow wheel.
2. Starting with sprint is another one oh and from concept controller schemes on the web its even going to be the same sprint control in COD
3. Gun classes in multiplayer seriously? Straight out every COD multiplayer since Modern warfare 1
4. Skins for guns in multiplayer as well. Copied from Black Ops and MDW


All of these are also used in Battlefield and (though it was horrible) Brink. It's becoming a common FPS thing, and this doesn't automatically make it "Call of Duty: Halo."

5. Other main characters besides master chief. You see how well people liked other spartans in halo reach right?

Do you mean Cortana? Right, because Halo has never had main characters past the Chief since the first game (Cortana, Keyes, Johnson, Hood, Miranda, Halsey, all of Noble Team, Buck and his entire squad...)

As the great, and slightly mad, 343 guilty spark said: "protocol dicates action". It is protocol that if any studio screws up our great game we bring it back to bungie!

It's not your game, it's theirs. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

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Posted by: realdomdom
So i think Halo 4 is BS. Bring it.

Maybe, when you can form a coherent thought past "Yup, yeah, uh-huh, agree!"

[Edited on 06.07.2012 4:29 PM PDT]

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I was drunk when I made this screen name...

Yeah I agree it is kind of weird to me that John talks "while" your playing.

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Posted by: realdomdom

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: realdomdom
Halo 4 is just uneccessary, you know.


What you just said is wrong on so many levels...
I guess you added that picture for "proving the truth" or something.
Well, I'm not gonna click it, like the ignorant person I am.


y'know its like watching two gods of opposite absolutes in an eternal battle. realdomdom with his negativity and ajw34307 with his "logic" and words and constant criticisms of people who post against Halo 4 & 343i...say, is there any significance as to the 343 in your username?

  • 06.07.2012 6:43 PM PDT

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