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Subject: Does anyone dislike where the story of the Halo series is going?

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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Uhhh, no. 343 is taking Halo's story to new heights and expanding it further than Bungie ever could and making it better.

An opinion. One I vehemently disagree with.

lol, of course you disagree with it. What else is to expect from a Bungie fanboy? How is 343 not taking the story to new heights? How are they not expanding the story further than Bungie ever did? Please humor me. I'd like to see what kind of BS you can come up with this time around. Two books alone prove that they've taken the story to new heights and expanded it further than Bungie -- Cryptum and Primordium. And I shouldn't even say two. Each of them prove it alone. They don't even need to be put together.

By the way, using big words like 'vehemently' doesn't make you seem any smarter or your opinion any better.
Since when does expansion equal quality, or "bringing to new hights"? You're interested in hearing whatever bs reasons someone has to not liking what 343i has done, but which are your arguments for liking what they have done? In detail please. Otherwise it's just a yes vs no until the end of time discussion.

Also, if you're not impressed by someone using the word "vehemently" do not remark on it.

[Edited on 06.06.2012 1:12 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2012 1:08 PM PDT
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Just wanna point something out. No one can confirm or deny a statement like that until the game comes out and people are actually playing the game. Its not fair that skeptics and doubters be ousted because they judged the game based on mere minutes of gameplay while supporters can sound so positive about the game without playing it. Just sayin'.

  • 06.06.2012 2:39 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Halo looks like it is simply becoming a story about who can be the biggest -blam!- in the galaxy if not universe.

  • 06.06.2012 2:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: EVIL FERN 117

Posted by: X Delta Xero X
1. Just like in the real world, we may have allies, but that doesn't mean ALL of them like us.

2. Prometheans are a Warrior-Servant caste of the Forerunners, they're not an "ancient evil", it's unclear on what is the real evil here, the Didact may be evil now, but it's unsure.

3. Spartans were not created to fight the Covenant, they were created to fight the Insurrectionists so they've always been relevant.

4. The new Covenant is comparable to a rogue faction of a military or a band of Space Pirates, they're no longer a major threat.

5. Things already make sense, you just haven't gone too much into the details is all.[/quote]

Amen!
Herecy!


lol

  • 06.06.2012 2:45 PM PDT

I like it mostly, but some of the new stuff seems implausible, at least with the current info. Glasslands should of taken place after over a longer period of time IMO.

And don't even get me started with Reach.

  • 06.06.2012 2:55 PM PDT

Haters are going to hate.
Praisers are going to praise.

The Bungie Forums are what keeps my mind sharp and my fingers active, between writing my own movie scripts, drawing, and studying industrial design. At the moment I'm working on miniatures for a short movie that I'll hopefully be able to film once I've saved up for a camera... That's me, with the mug, trying to have a conversation with Konoko.


Posted by: TheStarkilla
Just wanna point something out. No one can confirm or deny a statement like that until the game comes out and people are actually playing the game. Its not fair that skeptics and doubters be ousted because they judged the game based on mere minutes of gameplay while supporters can sound so positive about the game without playing it. Just sayin'.

Good point, hadn't thought about it that way. But don't forget that it is 343i's promises and intentions that many praisers fall back on, rather than judging the little they see.

  • 06.06.2012 11:54 PM PDT

If you ask me, Halo 3 should have been the end of Masterchief. I'm still looking forward to the new trilogy very much, but I just hope it ends soon. All good things must come to an end. That's what turns heroes into legends.

  • 06.07.2012 1:12 AM PDT

No, I think it's pretty interesting the way the story is going.

  • 06.07.2012 1:23 AM PDT


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Uhhh, no. 343 is taking Halo's story to new heights and expanding it further than Bungie ever could and making it better.

An opinion. One I vehemently disagree with.

lol, of course you disagree with it. What else is to expect from a Bungie fanboy? How is 343 not taking the story to new heights? How are they not expanding the story further than Bungie ever did? Please humor me. I'd like to see what kind of BS you can come up with this time around. Two books alone prove that they've taken the story to new heights and expanded it further than Bungie -- Cryptum and Primordium. And I shouldn't even say two. Each of them prove it alone. They don't even need to be put together.

By the way, using big words like 'vehemently' doesn't make you seem any smarter or your opinion any better.
So i take it you're a "343 Fanboy". What the -blam!- are you doing on BNet then?
(Was that good enough BS?)

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Halo looks like it is simply becoming a story about who can be the biggest -blam!- in the galaxy if not universe.
There's always something bigger à la Dragonball/One Piece/Naruto/Pokémon/[insert Power Up-Anime here]. Sounds good, right?


Posted by: TedToaster22
I like it mostly, but some of the new stuff seems implausible, at least with the current info. Glasslands should of taken place after over a longer period of time IMO.

And don't even get me started with Reach.
I mostly agree, except for the weird "like" part.


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Posted by: TheStarkilla
Just wanna point something out. No one can confirm or deny a statement like that until the game comes out and people are actually playing the game. Its not fair that skeptics and doubters be ousted because they judged the game based on mere minutes of gameplay while supporters can sound so positive about the game without playing it. Just sayin'.

Good point, hadn't thought about it that way. But don't forget that it is 343i's promises and intentions that many praisers fall back on, rather than judging the little they see.
This.


Posted by: SilverBulitt82
No, I think it's pretty interesting the way the story is going.
2 Girls - 1 Cup is also very interesting.

  • 06.07.2012 2:33 AM PDT

Personally I don't see why nobody liked the huge cliffhanger at the end of Halo 3, it leaves so much open for the ever expanding fan universe to add to. Also, it's open to whomever Bungie wanted to pass the torch to.
I'm going to count 3 lores into Halo from now on.
Bungie canon.
343i canon.
Combined canon.
That way it's much easier to have everyone, including myself deal with the dramatic changes to canon "Reach, ahem" and artistic licence "ahem Halo: Legends".

  • 06.07.2012 5:29 AM PDT


Posted by: MattTheGreat2117
Personally I don't see why nobody liked the huge cliffhanger at the end of Halo 3, it leaves so much open for the ever expanding fan universe to add to.
Yeah, fanfiction can be a nice thing (partly because it's not canon).

Posted by: MattTheGreat2117
Also, it's open to whomever Bungie wanted to pass the torch to.
What if the torch has gone out?

Posted by: MattTheGreat2117
I'm going to count 3 lores into Halo from now on.
Bungie canon.
343i canon.
Combined canon.
That way it's much easier to have everyone, including myself deal with the dramatic changes to canon "Reach, ahem" and artistic licence "ahem Halo: Legends".
So canon is not suppossed to be canon anymore?
And please, for the love of God, don't ever mention that terrible Wannabe-Halo-Anime.
(Still laughing when i think about it.)

  • 06.07.2012 5:56 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: realdomdom
What if the torch has gone out?


Then it's reignited.

  • 06.07.2012 6:08 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: realdomdom

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Uhhh, no. 343 is taking Halo's story to new heights and expanding it further than Bungie ever could and making it better.

An opinion. One I vehemently disagree with.

lol, of course you disagree with it. What else is to expect from a Bungie fanboy? How is 343 not taking the story to new heights? How are they not expanding the story further than Bungie ever did? Please humor me. I'd like to see what kind of BS you can come up with this time around. Two books alone prove that they've taken the story to new heights and expanded it further than Bungie -- Cryptum and Primordium. And I shouldn't even say two. Each of them prove it alone. They don't even need to be put together.

By the way, using big words like 'vehemently' doesn't make you seem any smarter or your opinion any better.
So i take it you're a "343 Fanboy". What the -blam!- are you doing on BNet then?
(Was that good enough BS?)

lol, I knew you couldn't think of anything to logically counter the fact that 343 has expanded the universe and taken it to new heights.

Also, just because I like Halo 4 makes me a 343 fanboy? Really? Good logic. I simply admire all the work that 343 is doing. Unlike Bungie it's improving Halo's story. Making all the fiction have meaning, etc. Not making something like Reach that contradicts and is controversial. They care about the lore and are improving upon it. I admire their work with that. If I was a fanboy I'd bash everything that isn't 343. I actually like Bungie made games like every Halo game except for Reach. I'm not going around putting "3434life" (like Predkiller with "Bungie4life"). But, who am I kidding. We all know you're simply putting that because there's nothing else to counter what I said.

[Edited on 06.07.2012 6:22 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2012 6:11 AM PDT


Posted by: realdomdom

Posted by: MattTheGreat2117
Personally I don't see why nobody liked the huge cliffhanger at the end of Halo 3, it leaves so much open for the ever expanding fan universe to add to.
Yeah, fanfiction can be a nice thing (partly because it's not canon).

Posted by: MattTheGreat2117
Also, it's open to whomever Bungie wanted to pass the torch to.
What if the torch has gone out?

Posted by: MattTheGreat2117
I'm going to count 3 lores into Halo from now on.
Bungie canon.
343i canon.
Combined canon.
That way it's much easier to have everyone, including myself deal with the dramatic changes to canon "Reach, ahem" and artistic licence "ahem Halo: Legends".
So canon is not suppossed to be canon anymore?
And please, for the love of God, don't ever mention that terrible Wannabe-Halo-Anime.
(Still laughing when i think about it.)


God I hated Legends, The Package was just plain awful.

When I say canon, I mean the lore associated to that developer in this case.

  • 06.07.2012 6:18 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Legends had a few stand-out episodes. Origins and The Duel were the most enjoyable, the rest were pretty rubbish but they had their positive aspects too. We were first introduced to the concept of Ancient Humans in The Babysitter, for instance, which has since become quite an integral piece of background lore.

  • 06.07.2012 6:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: realdomdom
What if the torch has gone out?
Then it's reignited.
Some people call that milking. I don't know if you're a fan of that. Probably.

Posted by: ajw34307
Legends had a few stand-out episodes. Origins and The Duel were the most enjoyable, the rest were pretty rubbish but they had their positive aspects too. We were first introduced to the concept of Ancient Humans in The Babysitter, for instance, which has since become quite an integral piece of background lore.
Background lore. Ughhh, BRB barfing.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
lol, I knew you couldn't think of anything to logically counter the fact that 343 has expanded the universe and taken it to new heights.
So that's an objective and logical observation? Interesting. Also, LOL to you too.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Also, just because I like Halo 4 makes me a 343 fanboy? Really? Good logic.
Why thank you. You must be familiar with it. It's yours.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I simply admire all the work that 343 is doing.
Yeah. What was that about not being a fanboy?


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Unlike Bungie it's improving Halo's story. Making all the fiction have meaning, etc. Not making something like Reach that contradicts and is controversial. They care about the lore and are improving upon it.
So, because Reach was bad, Halo 4 is better?



Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I admire their work with that. If I was a fanboy I'd bash everything that isn't 343. I actually like Bungie made games like every Halo game except for Reach. I'm not going around putting "3434life" (like Predkiller with "Bungie4life").
I'm reliefed.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
But, who am I kidding.
Me.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
We all know you're simply putting that because there's nothing else to counter what I said.
Counter? I'm speaking my mind.

[Edited on 06.07.2012 6:42 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2012 6:39 AM PDT
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It's easy... 343 Industries needs to make their first game in the trilogy "feel" like Halo. This means Grunts, Jackals, Elites etc. all with the familiar weapons. I bet at some point, the new enemies emerge and it will shy away from the covenant and set the stage for the future games.

It is a big cop out no matter what anyone says. Humanity, which lost Reach, lost major colonies, which could not travel very far in the galaxy, which could not contact the people trapped on Onyx, lost major cities on Earth, the planet itself was devastated, everything is now hunky-dory and somehow they not only manage to regroup a devastated humanity, but build ships and Spartans even better than before? Where did they get the time, money, technology etc. They did not even know what a "Halo" was a little while ago but now they not only find Chief, god knows where, but fit him with better technology then before? At the end of Reach, they talked about rebuilding it better than before. It takes a while you know.

So many games defy reality nowadays, usually it's for the enemies, not the good guys. Humans barely won against the covenant and there were hardly any Spartans left.

I hate these logic gaps, fo example in Gears 3, despite nearly destroying the Locust in Gears 1, and then flooding and killing whatever was left in Gears 2, the Locust are not only fighting against the Lambent but have better technology and more numbers than before? And that all of a sudden, the island they didn't know about for so long, that was hidden from the people of Sera themselves, the Locust find out about it somehow, and still have the manpower to overwhelm it?

  • 06.07.2012 8:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: Madness87
It is a big cop out no matter what anyone says.
I hate to admit it but I agree.

When I saw the Reach Banshee, Reach needler, Reach pistol, AI behaving like Reach AI, etc. in H4, I could tolerate it. But as soon as I see the Falcon and it still has the rotors, it looks like 343 are appealing to Reach players. It's bad enough they made Anniversary to connect Reach canon to CE but now this?

Though I disliked the Hornet, I've found that I was wrong about the Hornet AI. They advance only if I get out of my Hornet, which I hadn't been doing. After I got out of my Hornet, the AA Wraith was screwed within seconds by missiles and machine gun fire.

Plus, you didn't see progress essential Hornets being destroyed like the Falcons can be.

Posted by: Madness87
So many games defy reality nowadays, usually it's for the enemies, not the good guys. Humans barely won against the covenant and there were hardly any Spartans left.
Not in gameplay. In gameplay, the enemies defy reality. The high damage really makes Halo unplayable. I was able to do enemy AI collections on Heroic in CE. But in H2/H3/Reach, the high damage and increased bs makes this impossible.

Though I am quite pleased that I am at the point of quitting Halo games. I think I might just stick with CE and H2 and ditch the rest. It's all up to H4...

[Edited on 06.07.2012 9:02 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2012 9:00 AM PDT

I feel that the Halos were getting worse after 3, I don't know why, but I enjoyed Halo 3 the most, it had a really interesting and fun campaign that I have played over 100 times.

Halo 4 on the other hand, makes Halo look new and refurbished, I am very excited for Halo 4 to come out, after Bungie gave Halo to 343, I lost some hope for the story and the game itself, but now since I saw the gameplay shown at E3, it looks very well made and fun so far, I may not agree with all the multiplayer changes, but the story so far looks good in my opinion.

  • 06.07.2012 9:26 AM PDT

All the things they did "wrong" in Halo 4 begin to lose significance for me. Everything after 3 is just rubbish altogether.

[Edited on 06.07.2012 9:32 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2012 9:31 AM PDT
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I think i will love halo 4, but not for the same reasons as i loved the original Bungie Trilogy. The game's design had to become modernized at some point.

  • 06.07.2012 9:34 AM PDT


Posted by: Zig
I think i will love halo 4, but not for the same reasons as i loved the original Bungie Trilogy. The game's design had to become modernized at some point.
It's not really just about the game's design...

[Edited on 06.07.2012 11:10 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2012 11:10 AM PDT

Bungie Please make Halo 4. Don't let anyone else make it!

Halo is dead now. It should have ended with 3 by the way. Halo 4 looks terrible. Multiplayer ripped off call of duty and the single player won't be good either. Remember they need to make a new story since halo 3 ended well. You can tell that Bungie isn't making the game. It doesn't have that magic fell at all. New enemies look generic and uninspired,the few covenant left look terrible in design as well. No Marty so the music is not even close to being good as the past.

  • 06.07.2012 12:17 PM PDT


Posted by: jigsaw0
[...]
It should have ended with 3 by the way.
Yes.


Posted by: jigsaw0
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You can tell that Bungie isn't making the game. It doesn't have that magic fell at all. New enemies look generic and uninspired,the few covenant left look terrible in design as well. No Marty so the music is not even close to being good as the past.
It kinda looks that way.

  • 06.07.2012 12:37 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: jigsaw0
Halo is dead now. It should have ended with 3 by the way. Halo 4 looks terrible. Multiplayer ripped off call of duty and the single player won't be good either. Remember they need to make a new story since halo 3 ended well. You can tell that Bungie isn't making the game. It doesn't have that magic fell at all. New enemies look generic and uninspired,the few covenant left look terrible in design as well. No Marty so the music is not even close to being good as the past.


Actually know what you are talking about before posting, you look like a jackass.

  • 06.07.2012 12:39 PM PDT