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Subject: Does anyone dislike where the story of the Halo series is going?


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Actually know what you are talking about before posting, you look like a jackass.
Meh.

  • 06.07.2012 12:42 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: jigsaw0
Halo is dead now. It should have ended with 3 by the way. Halo 4 looks terrible. Multiplayer ripped off call of duty and the single player won't be good either. Remember they need to make a new story since halo 3 ended well. You can tell that Bungie isn't making the game. It doesn't have that magic fell at all. New enemies look generic and uninspired,the few covenant left look terrible in design as well. No Marty so the music is not even close to being good as the past.


It's fools like you that make me want to start beating my head against a wall...

1) Halo is absolutely not dead, in fact it couldn't be more alive right now if it tried. It's currently hammering pre-order numbers right now. it's up 36,833 pre-orders this week which is 13,754 more than Black Ops 2. Combined PS3 AND XBOX pre-orders of Black Ops 2, 187,729. Halo 4 XBOX pre-orders alone, 291,003.

2) No, it absolutely shouldn't have ended with Halo 3 because THE ONLY PLOT POINT HALO 3 TIED UP WAS THE END OF THE HUMAN-COVENANT WAR. Everything else was left hanging.

3) Exactly how has Halo ripped off Call of Duty? Some of the features are similar to Call of Duty but you seem to be making the classic pedantic mistake of generalising the WHOLE multiplayer because of a few details. From the people I've heard who played it at E3, they say it plays like a perfect combination of Halo 3 and Reach and feels completely like Halo. Who am I to trust more? Some fool who doesn't know what he's talking about or someone who has actually experienced the game?

4)How do you know the single player won't be good? Can you prove it to me by taking me in your time machine?

5) You can tell Bungie isn't making the game BECAUSE THEY AREN'T. "Doesn't have the magic feel", are you making some kind of obscene joke? You've seen a grand total of 5 minutes of gameplay in a game with a 6-10 hour campaign...

6) "Generic and uninspired"? Well it's pretty clear they've taken some inspiration from Isaac Hannaford's concept art with the arms and weapons of the Prometheans and people over the internet are comparing aspects of them to other video game enemies. It's pretty clear that there was a degree of inspiration injected into their design.

7) The Covenant are supposed to look more barbaric, battered and run down. The Elites have assumed control of the Covenant remnants and are completely impotent with technology.

8) The music sounds phenominal, Marty is not the only composer who can make good Halo music. Stephen Rippy is a prime example of someone who made a completely original Halo soundtrack and did it beautifully, Davidge has done a fantastic job with the soundtrack so far.

[Edited on 06.07.2012 12:58 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2012 12:45 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
It's fools like you that make me want to start beating my head against a wall...
Who's the fool, the fool or the fool following him?

(LOL, just a random quote.)

  • 06.07.2012 12:53 PM PDT

Bungie Please make Halo 4. Don't let anyone else make it!

I know exactly what i'm talking about. I played Halo since the first one even launched.

  • 06.07.2012 12:53 PM PDT

Bungie Please make Halo 4. Don't let anyone else make it!

Yea and you have no rhetorical response because you know i'm right.

  • 06.07.2012 12:54 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: jigsaw0
Yea and you have no rhetorical response because you know i'm right.


You expected me to point out everything that's wrong with you in a 10 minute window? I could go on for the rest of the day detailing every reason you've displayed how mentally deficient and one-dimensional you are.

Above post edited with reasons detailing just that.

  • 06.07.2012 1:00 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: jigsaw0
Yea and you have no rhetorical response because you know i'm right.


You expected me to point out everything that's wrong with you in a 10 minute window? I could go on for the rest of the day detailing every reason you've displayed how mentally deficient and one-dimensional you are.

Above post edited with reasons detailing just that.
Don't fight guys, plz.

  • 06.07.2012 1:04 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

And Ajw34307 gets a checkmate.

  • 06.07.2012 1:04 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
And Ajw34307 gets a checkmate.
Mission Accomplished?

  • 06.07.2012 1:05 PM PDT

Bungie Please make Halo 4. Don't let anyone else make it!

vgchartz is an unreliable site. Black ops will crush halo,it's just a much bigger franchise. It won't sell more than halo 3 or even the 360 version alone of black ops 2. reach is not even top 5 played on xbl. halo was number one before and it's not even top 5 anymore.

There is no way it will play like a halo game because of the abundance of cod features imitated. weapon classes are one thing but you also need to unlock weapons. perk unlocks will have others having an advantage over new players. killstreaks are also in. This is just scratching the surface too.


  • 06.07.2012 1:14 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: jigsaw0
vgchartz is an unreliable site. Black ops will crush halo,it's just a much bigger franchise.


Then supply a "reliable" site. Or is it unreliable because it goes against what you say? A fairly common tactic used by people in trouble of being wrong.

It won't sell more than halo 3 or even the 360 version alone of black ops 2.

Based on what evidence?

reach is not even top 5 played on xbl. halo was number one before and it's not even top 5 anymore.

Halo 4 could change that.

There is no way it will play like a halo game because of the abundance of cod features imitated.

Changes that don't seem to bother the people who've actually played the game, MLG pros included. None of us here can say for certain how it will play, but the general outside, unbiased consensus is that it plays fine.

weapon classes are one thing but you also need to unlock weapons. perk unlocks will have others having an advantage over new players.

Better players will always dominate newer players no matter what even with an even playing field.

killstreaks are also in.

Except they are pretty different. You can't summon airstrikes. At most you might be able to get a different weapon.

This is just scratching the surface too.

Keep going then.

  • 06.07.2012 1:21 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: jigsaw0
vgchartz is an unreliable site.


Pfft! You would say that.

Black ops will crush halo,it's just a much bigger franchise. It won't sell more than halo 3 or even the 360 version alone of black ops 2. reach is not even top 5 played on xbl. halo was number one before and it's not even top 5 anymore.

Well it's clearly not doing a very good job of crushing Halo if you look at the difference between BO2 and Halo 4 sales. Even on social networking sites like Twitter, Halo 4 was one of the top 10 trends for over a day with tens of thousands of cmments about it where as Black Ops 2 didn't even make the list. Reach is totally irrelevant in this debate.

There is no way it will play like a halo game because of the abundance of cod features imitated. weapon classes are one thing but you also need to unlock weapons. perk unlocks will have others having an advantage over new players. killstreaks are also in. This is just scratching the surface too.

Oh please, spare me this rubbish. Loadouts have become the norm in just about every FPS game - even Bioshock does it. All your assumptions are nothing more than idle speculation and have since been proved wrong because, and I reiterate in a manner that you should hopefully understand - PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED HALO 4 AT E3 AND MANY HAVE SAID THAT IT PLAYS LIKE A HALO GAME. Louis Wu, the godfather of Halo's community, says that Halo 4 plays like a Halo game. These MLG players are all saying that it plays like a Halo game. The verdict from these guys is that IT PLAYS LIKE A HALO GAME.

  • 06.07.2012 1:27 PM PDT

Bungie Please make Halo 4. Don't let anyone else make it!

Where did i say i had a reliable site? There isn't any. My evidence that black ops II will sell more is obvious. cod is a bigger franchise and keeps breaking records every year. MW3 or even black ops[released same year as reach] sold more on 360 alone. There are two cod titles being played more right now than reach.

  • 06.07.2012 1:27 PM PDT

Bungie Please make Halo 4. Don't let anyone else make it!

ajw34307- you are trying to tell me that BO II won't sell more than halo 4? want to bet?

  • 06.07.2012 1:30 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: jigsaw0
Where did i say i had a reliable site? There isn't any.


So you have no counter-point. Point lost for you.

My evidence that black ops II will sell more is obvious.

No real evidence, another lost point.

cod is a bigger franchise and keeps breaking records every year.

Who says that will stay the same? The reaction to Black Ops II has been rather muted as far as CoD games goes.

MW3 or even black ops[released same year as reach] sold more on 360 alone. There are two cod titles being played more right now than reach.

And Halo 4 has the possibility of being the most played on Xbox and not Black Ops II. We don't know yet.

  • 06.07.2012 1:31 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: jigsaw0
Where did i say i had a reliable site? There isn't any. My evidence that black ops II will sell more is obvious. cod is a bigger franchise and keeps breaking records every year. MW3 or even black ops[released same year as reach] sold more on 360 alone. There are two cod titles being played more right now than reach.


Your 'evidence' amounts to nothing more than speculation, speculation that because it happened before it's going to happen again. This is absolutely not the case, a great number of the Call of Duty fanbase has gotten bored with the series and the response to Black Ops 2 compared to Halo 4 has been pretty negative.

Again, REACH AND CURRENT COD GAMES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HALO 4.

  • 06.07.2012 1:31 PM PDT

I personally like the change. New company, new game.

  • 06.07.2012 1:36 PM PDT

Bungie Please make Halo 4. Don't let anyone else make it!


Posted by: ajw34307


Your 'evidence' amounts to nothing more than speculation, speculation that because it happened before it's going to happen again. This is absolutely not the case, a great number of the Call of Duty fanbase has gotten bored with the series and the response to Black Ops 2 compared to Halo 4 has been pretty negative.

Again, REACH AND CURRENT COD GAMES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HALO 4.


MW3 also had negative impressions last year at e3 and broke records. I also heard people say that cod has bored the fans but yet it still sells.

  • 06.07.2012 1:38 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: jigsaw0
MW3 also had negative impressions last year at e3 and broke records. I also heard people say that cod has bored the fans but yet it still sells.


Implies history will repeat itself, which may or may not happen. We will see, but the fact the buzz for Halo 4 has been consistently stronger points to it not repeating.

  • 06.07.2012 1:40 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: ajw34307
7) The Covenant are supposed to look more barbaric, battered and run down. The Elites have assumed control of the Covenant remnants and are completely impotent with technology.

Eh, I'm not actually sure about that one. For years now the theme of the Covenant being this implacable foe that is supposed to look scary and savage has been thoroughly deconstructed. We know that many of them, the Elites in particular, are not actually savages. The Brutes you might get away with, but you'd have a hard time with the Elites. In fact, everything I have seen so far puts them back by about 10 years. They no longer speak comprehensibly - as well as making no sense that the UNSC's translators would degrade or that the Covenant should invent a new language in 4 years, it also depersonalizes the Covenant back into a generic video game enemy that mumbles and blabbers incoherently when you shoot at them. It almost robs them of the capacity to have any sort of personality.

Their aesthetics is also a similar issue I have. Thel and Rtas would not have half of the dignity they have as characters looking like that, and it is not the run down armour or the Gears of War style "sleeves off" job going on. They look feral and animalistic. The obvious intention is that they are enemies and enemies need to be scary and all that stuff in order for most people to know that they are supposed to shoot them, but again it degrades what they became at the end of the last decade. I'm not sure it is a good idea to continue something at the expense of prior storytelling.

The real issue here is how the Covenant are back together again and at war with Humanity, (And no matter how many books Traviss can churn out a year, that doesn't change the fact that Halo 3 made it more than patently clear that the Elites in particular were more or less on our side) but at least we didn't need this depersonalization just because they happen to be enemies again.

  • 06.07.2012 1:54 PM PDT
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Wort, wort, wort!

CoD is a terrible game, most of the people are just too slow to realize it, but now, enough off topic.

The music in the gameplay trailer/footage thingy WAS TERRIBLE. I know it's all personal preference, but that new guy, he didn't capture Halo feel at all. I know I haven't heard the whole soundtrack yet, but there is a reason that Halo's soundtrack is the best selling video game soundtrack out there.

Now, if you only have played the games and not dwelled in the books Halo 3 ties up everything nicely. Flood is kinda finish, no threat to humanity. Covenant shattered, Sangheili allied with the humans and Chief. Well I really liked what Bungie did to him. He's not dead, but he's resting. That's it, that was his final battle and back in 2007 I accepted it and was completely happy with that idea. Halo 3 had a great, bittersweet ending that closed up the trilogy well.

Now remember, I'm only talking about the games. Without the books there aren't even any other SPARTANs mentioned in the games (talking about the trilogy here still). I personally have played the three Halo games, and then a few years back finally managed to get my hands on the books. They were a great addition to the canon. But then Reach.. yeah, it kinda shattered my faith in Bungie and after Legends I just had to make my own canon rules.

For now all 343 have done with the franchise seems to be instead of trying to build upon Bungie's plot (remember, most of the Bungie-era books were written by Bungie's own writer) and just completely swipe that away and say "yeah well, actually this isn't the greatest terror, THIS is the greatest terror and evil and bla bla bla". The story was taken to new heights? Are you kidding me? All they did was tie up any left over story threads from Bungie times and open completely new ones, and numerous at that. Halo may be grander than ever, but has it any quality left?

And what I've seen of Halo 4's gameplay was ridiculously scripted for that short campaign period and if the game is like that gameplay trailer, well then Halo just went full Crysis. Or CoD, or whatever you want to call it. Bungie didn't take control away unless it was a cutscene. It made the gameplay feel really good (personal preference again).

[Edited on 06.08.2012 3:47 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2012 2:01 PM PDT

I don't see a problem with where the story is going, nothing about it is necessarily implausible (although I do think they should have stopped with Halo 3). I do however agree with the complaints about the aesthetics of it, especially the Promethean technology. For a machine designed specifically for the purpose of killing, a bipedal/quadrupedal form seems a little ridiculous, especially for such an advanced civilization; a flying form would be infinitely more useful and effective. Also, the helmet/skull thing is just weird and kind of goofy, I mean how many military machines include built-in faces?

  • 06.07.2012 2:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sp4rksLT
The music in the gameplay trailer/footage thingy WAS TERRIBLE. I know it's all personal preference, but that new guy, he didn't capture Halo feel at all. I know I haven't heard the whole soundtrack yet, but there is a reason that Halo's soundtrack is the best selling Halo soundtrack out there.


Yeah, that reason is because there's no set of arbitrary principles which makes a Halo track 'feel' like Halo. There is no set list of boxes a Halo soundtrack has to meet because the music, like the game itself, is constantly evolving. Compare Halo 2's soundtrack to ODST's, there is an unprecedented difference between them. You can dislike the soundtrack, but there's no way you can say it's "not Halo".

Now, if you only have played the games and not dwelled in the books Halo 3 ties up everything nicely. Flood is kinda finish, no threat to humanity. Covenant shattered, Sangheili allied with the humans and Chief. Well I really liked what Bungie did to him. He's not dead, but he's resting. That's it, that was his final battle and back in 2007 I accepted it and was completely happy with that idea. Halo 3 had a great, bittersweet ending that closed up the trilogy well.

Now remember, I'm only talking about the games. Without the books there aren't even any other SPARTANs mentioned in the games (talking about the trilogy here still). I personally have played the three Halo games, and then a few years back finally managed to get my hands on the books. They were a great addition to the canon. But then Reach.. yeah, it kinda shattered my faith in Bungie and after Legends I just had to make my own canon rules.


Erm... NOPE. The game alone leaves about half a dozen loose-ends without ANY reference to the extra fiction, the 3 major ones are:

- Mendicant Bias tells John he's sending him to the Forerunners. This alone opens up the possibility for a whole new trilogy (which has since been realised).

- Gravemind states we've only delayed his return.

- There are still 6 Halos primed and ready to fire at any time.

For now all 343 have done with the franchise seems to be instead of trying to build upon Bungie's plot (remember, most of the Bungie-era books were written by Bungie's own writer) and just completely swipe that away and say "yeah well, actually this isn't the greatest terror, THIS is the greatest terror and evil and bla bla bla". The story was taken to new heights? Are you kidding me? All they did was tie up any left over story threads from Bungie times and open completely new ones, and numerous at that. Halo may be grander than ever, but has it any quality left?

But they are building on Bungie's set plot. Halo 4 picks up DIRECTLY where Halo 3 left off from the point Bungie illustrated with Mendicant Bias.

No, most of the Bungie-era books were written by Nylund. Joseph Staten was the only Bungie member to write one of the novels (Contact Harvest). Halo has been building towards this whole Precursor plot for years, 343i have been building it up and foreshadowing it ever since Evolutions.

And what I've seen of Halo 4's gameplay was ridiculously scripted for that short campaign period and if the game is like that gameplay trailer, well then Halo just went full Crysis. Or CoD, or whatever you want to call it. Bungie didn't take control away unless it was a cutscene. It made the gameplay feel really good (personal preference again).

Remember when Halo 2 was shown at E3 in 2003? The ENTIRE thing was was scripted and they said that they wanted that in the game but didn't have enough time. The scripting in the demos is all done to entice the players by making it look impressive, it may or may not be in the final product (e.g. ME3 with the Reaper chase on Rannoch, it's COMPLETELY different in the game itself).

  • 06.07.2012 2:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
7) The Covenant are supposed to look more barbaric, battered and run down. The Elites have assumed control of the Covenant remnants and are completely impotent with technology.

Eh, I'm not actually sure about that one. For years now the theme of the Covenant being this implacable foe that is supposed to look scary and savage has been thoroughly deconstructed. We know that many of them, the Elites in particular, are not actually savages. The Brutes you might get away with, but you'd have a hard time with the Elites. In fact, everything I have seen so far puts them back by about 10 years. They no longer speak comprehensibly - as well as making no sense that the UNSC's translators would degrade or that the Covenant should invent a new language in 4 years, it also depersonalizes the Covenant back into a generic video game enemy that mumbles and blabbers incoherently when you shoot at them. It almost robs them of the capacity to have any sort of personality.

Their aesthetics is also a similar issue I have. Thel and Rtas would not have half of the dignity they have as characters looking like that, and it is not the run down armour or the Gears of War style "sleeves off" job going on. They look feral and animalistic. The obvious intention is that they are enemies and enemies need to be scary and all that stuff in order for most people to know that they are supposed to shoot them, but again it degrades what they became at the end of the last decade. I'm not sure it is a good idea to continue something at the expense of prior storytelling.

The real issue here is how the Covenant are back together again and at war with Humanity, (And no matter how many books Traviss can churn out a year, that doesn't change the fact that Halo 3 made it more than patently clear that the Elites in particular were more or less on our side) but at least we didn't need this depersonalization just because they happen to be enemies again.


This.

  • 06.07.2012 6:15 PM PDT
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I dislike how the community is divided. There's a clear 'either against 343 or for 343' permeating on all forums.

In general, negativity is looked down upon. But now it's total war.

I'm so close to quitting Halo because of this even though the H4 E3 demo saved me from that.

  • 06.07.2012 7:32 PM PDT