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Subject: Does anyone dislike where the story of the Halo series is going?


Posted by: WildProphet
i defended both sides but all you do is pick it apart and find what you don't like, you dont care about others opinions unless they agree with yours. sure this game might not be to your fancy but if you dont care why waste your time blasting anyone who does, its just a game cant we just agree to disagree? good sir or ma'am? i have my opinion as do you there is no point in being uncivilized over this matter.
Please tell me exactly, what is the purpose of a forum?

  • 06.09.2012 5:10 AM PDT

just relax and have some fun

to voice your opinion, not to cut down others. it is a place for a discussion sure but telling everybody else they are wrong is not what it is for and no you never used the words "all of you are wrong and im right" but everything you have said implies it.

  • 06.09.2012 11:16 AM PDT


Posted by: realdomdom
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: realdomdom
What if the torch has gone out?
Then it's reignited.
Some people call that milking. I don't know if you're a fan of that. Probably.

Posted by: ajw34307
Legends had a few stand-out episodes. Origins and The Duel were the most enjoyable, the rest were pretty rubbish but they had their positive aspects too. We were first introduced to the concept of Ancient Humans in The Babysitter, for instance, which has since become quite an integral piece of background lore.
Background lore. Ughhh, BRB barfing.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
lol, I knew you couldn't think of anything to logically counter the fact that 343 has expanded the universe and taken it to new heights.
So that's an objective and logical observation? Interesting. Also, LOL to you too.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Also, just because I like Halo 4 makes me a 343 fanboy? Really? Good logic.
Why thank you. You must be familiar with it. It's yours.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I simply admire all the work that 343 is doing.
Yeah. What was that about not being a fanboy?


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Unlike Bungie it's improving Halo's story. Making all the fiction have meaning, etc. Not making something like Reach that contradicts and is controversial. They care about the lore and are improving upon it.
So, because Reach was bad, Halo 4 is better?



Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I admire their work with that. If I was a fanboy I'd bash everything that isn't 343. I actually like Bungie made games like every Halo game except for Reach. I'm not going around putting "3434life" (like Predkiller with "Bungie4life").
I'm reliefed.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
But, who am I kidding.
Me.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
We all know you're simply putting that because there's nothing else to counter what I said.
Counter? I'm speaking my mind.


Go back to /v/

  • 06.09.2012 1:45 PM PDT

Posted by: WildProphet
to voice your opinion, not to cut down others. it is a place for a discussion sure but telling everybody else they are wrong is not what it is for and no you never used the words "all of you are wrong and im right" but everything you have said implies it.
I spoke my feelings. In a way, i poured out my heart to you.



Posted by: Xalener
Go back to /v/
What is /v/ ?

  • 06.09.2012 2:00 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

The story is doing well so far and the Forerunner part of the storyline is very interesting, but the Forerunner novels are being written terribly.

  • 06.09.2012 5:45 PM PDT

yas334229812

Story is great especially with what greg bear has done with it. Hope a bit of ridley scot can put a little touch in it.

Gameplay wise, halo was liley to die if they had not made huge changes, the old formula does not work anymore and now everyone need to step their game to cod standards to live. Now progression based gameplay is nice, plus most people wamt it. The real thing is no ome wil beat cod or cods formula whether another game beats cod, until a new formula is created.

  • 06.10.2012 12:08 AM PDT

I think this is totally possible. In World War II, a group of Japanese soldiers held on on an island (can't remember which one) until 1947, so I while I think that could be a possibility, I I'd be more in favor of the "rogue" theory. That way, maybe we keep the Elites as allies, by helping the main army wipe them out.

  • 06.10.2012 12:44 AM PDT

As far as I can tell, you're just being sarcastic, truculent, and deliberately irritating. You haven't made an argument in several posts, you simply sit back and pretend to be smart by making fun of everything else that's been said. So how about you make an actual argument or go away?
Posted by: realdomdom
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: realdomdom
What if the torch has gone out?
Then it's reignited.
Some people call that milking. I don't know if you're a fan of that. Probably.

Posted by: ajw34307
Legends had a few stand-out episodes. Origins and The Duel were the most enjoyable, the rest were pretty rubbish but they had their positive aspects too. We were first introduced to the concept of Ancient Humans in The Babysitter, for instance, which has since become quite an integral piece of background lore.
Background lore. Ughhh, BRB barfing.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
lol, I knew you couldn't think of anything to logically counter the fact that 343 has expanded the universe and taken it to new heights.
So that's an objective and logical observation? Interesting. Also, LOL to you too.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Also, just because I like Halo 4 makes me a 343 fanboy? Really? Good logic.
Why thank you. You must be familiar with it. It's yours.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I simply admire all the work that 343 is doing.
Yeah. What was that about not being a fanboy?


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Unlike Bungie it's improving Halo's story. Making all the fiction have meaning, etc. Not making something like Reach that contradicts and is controversial. They care about the lore and are improving upon it.
So, because Reach was bad, Halo 4 is better?



Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I admire their work with that. If I was a fanboy I'd bash everything that isn't 343. I actually like Bungie made games like every Halo game except for Reach. I'm not going around putting "3434life" (like Predkiller with "Bungie4life").
I'm reliefed.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
But, who am I kidding.
Me.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
We all know you're simply putting that because there's nothing else to counter what I said.
Counter? I'm speaking my mind.

  • 06.10.2012 1:00 AM PDT

COD is going to alienate its traditional fanboys. They've added vehicles and decisions in campaign. And now that MW is over, it will become less successful with each game, as the fanboys will become angry and leave.
Posted by: jigsaw0
ajw34307- you are trying to tell me that BO II won't sell more than halo 4? want to bet?

  • 06.10.2012 1:07 AM PDT

You just proved his point, you imbecile. You're being uncivilized. He had nothing against argument, just done in a civilized, calm manner. You're just being a ass, by picking nonsensical holes in everything everybody says.
Posted by: realdomdom

Posted by: WildProphet
i defended both sides but all you do is pick it apart and find what you don't like, you dont care about others opinions unless they agree with yours. sure this game might not be to your fancy but if you dont care why waste your time blasting anyone who does, its just a game cant we just agree to disagree? good sir or ma'am? i have my opinion as do you there is no point in being uncivilized over this matter.
Please tell me exactly, what is the purpose of a forum?

  • 06.10.2012 1:19 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.

I agree, Halo 3's ending was a fine end to the whole story. I could write volumes on why I think it was great.

Yes, there were open stories still left. But even then it was disclosed, as mind's imagination could finish them on it's own. Bungie used to be a lot (and still is) about subtlety and secrets, mysteries. They let you use your own imagination or just wanted to leave you ponder in the dark. Not everybody thinks this is great, that is why I call it a choice. I for once, liked it.

Now, choosing to reveal all the secrets and mysteries (and thus destroying them) would be another choice. I do not mind so much, as long as it's good. Which it hardly ever is.
For example: showing John's face. Some of us would be just fine without ever seeing it, and some just can't stand the mystery. Now showing it would piss off a lot of those who were fine. Because everybody had their own John.
It is as simple as that, and there is also more to it: John has a mystery about him. You can ponder what can be under the helmet, how many and what scars does he have. The look in his eyes. And this excitement is divine in my words. Showing his face would make him lose that.

And it's not just his face, there's more. Like the Forerunners for example. We all just loved to think about them. What about the Flood? It was supposed to be an unknown threat that came from outside the galaxy! Isn't that horrible? We wondered where it could have come from. And now we can't and sometimes we are being told we were wrong with our guesses!
But I tell you: This is wrong.
The subtletly and mystery was one of major elements to Halo, that defined it's feel.
More about it down below:

If you read Halo 3 terminals, and it's analysis at AscendantJustice, and got it's feel, you might notice that it is very different from the new novels (Forerunner Saga, Glasslands). Believe it or not, but this used to be Halo. And to many it still is, me being one of them. Now here we see the breaking point. If you managed to keep your old feel about the series, the new games and it's lore will feel alien to you, different.
However if you embraced the new "stuff" or (oh God please no) even said it's better than the old stuff, then you might feel like we are Bungie fanboys.
But you can't deny that if the new feel clashes with the old one, something is getting a bit weird here. That is why some of us think that the new story is going "downhill", which in this context could be a synonym for "elsewhere" and vice versa.

Now Halo fans, who really liked the original series might be surprised by the new different direction the game is taking, if they don't downright hate it. But would you hate them for being hardcore fans?

And I also think 343i should have made story of their own. I even think it would do them much better (i.e.: letting your fantasy go full out, make new exciting enemies, no need for excuses for the things you do).

[Edited on 06.10.2012 5:20 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 4:23 AM PDT

Posted by: Tucker 051
The story is doing well so far and the Forerunner part of the storyline is very interesting, but the Forerunner novels are being written terribly.
The thing with the forerunners is, they better stayed extinct.


Posted by: risay_117
Story is great especially with what greg bear has done with it. Hope a bit of ridley scot can put a little touch in it.

Gameplay wise, halo was liley to die if they had not made huge changes, the old formula does not work anymore and now everyone need to step their game to cod standards to live. Now progression based gameplay is nice, plus most people wamt it. The real thing is no ome wil beat cod or cods formula whether another game beats cod, until a new formula is created.
Better copy something "good", than invent something "bad".
Well, i never liked that much, really.


Posted by: Saint Jimmy II
I think this is totally possible. In World War II, a group of Japanese soldiers held on on an island (can't remember which one) until 1947, so I while I think that could be a possibility, I I'd be more in favor of the "rogue" theory. That way, maybe we keep the Elites as allies, by helping the main army wipe them out.
Don't wanna "argue" with that. I don't care that much about the details.


Posted by: Saint Jimmy II
As far as I can tell, you're just being sarcastic, truculent, and deliberately irritating. You haven't made an argument in several posts, you simply sit back and pretend to be smart by making fun of everything else that's been said. So how about you make an actual argument or go away?
I don't "pretend" to be smart. LOL
No really, I don't think I'm that much "smarter" than anyone.
But, i made fun of everything else that's been said? OMG
Well then i guess I'll need to apoligize, which I hereby do.
I think, the fact that Halo 4 even exists speaks for itself. I mean, it's just milking the Chiefs tits. That's all it is really. I won't talk about the books.
Was that an argument? If not, please let me know.


Posted by: Saint Jimmy II
You just proved his point, you imbecile. You're being uncivilized. He had nothing against argument, just done in a civilized, calm manner. You're just being a ass, by picking nonsensical holes in everything everybody says.
Imbecile? Really?
I'm being uncivilized. Okaayy.
I'm just being an ass, by picking nonsensical holes in everything everybody says.
Sensei, I'd like to see an example, please.


Posted by: George 257
I agree, Halo 3's ending was a fine end to the whole story. I could write volumes on why I think it was great.

And I also think 343i should have made story of their own. I even think it would do them much better (i.e.: letting your fantasy go full out, make new exciting enemies, no need for excuses).

I appreciate their attempts at making you feel familiar in the new games again (which I love and always loved about Bungie), but they are not very thorough. They seem like formalities. "We bring back the covenant, but as you can see, they are totally different and look alien even as aliens. They are not the same, but they are Covenant." This is weird, which points me in the direction of thinking: This is just a formality. We don't really mean it.

I will say it again, I think they should have picked their own story. There's headhunters, other Spartans, ODSTs, Marines. See, ODST was great, and there was no Chief at all - why milk the old series? If so, why not stay true to it?
I don't know man. You're kinda right. But, maybe they just should have moved on. I mean, completely.

  • 06.10.2012 5:31 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: George 257
I agree, Halo 3's ending was a fine end to the whole story. I could write volumes on why I think it was great.


And I could write more on why this is just plain wrong.

Yes, there were open stories still left. But even then it was disclosed, as mind's imagination could finish them on it's own. Bungie used to be a lot (and still is) about subtlety and secrets, mysteries. They let you use your own imagination or just wanted to leave you ponder in the dark.

That just sounds like lazy storytelling to me. There were open stories left, but it was on such a massive scale that people writing fanfictions would span 300 page Word documents (I take note of Maxrealflugeil's Halo 3 Epilogue and Wolverfrog's Halo: Insurrection - both of which were Halo 4 stories and were hundreds of pages long). Halo 3 left a colossal gap for a new trilogy with the loose ends it had.

Now, choosing to reveal all the secrets and mysteries (and thus destroying them) would be another choice. I do not mind so much, as long as it's good. Which it hardly ever is.

It's funny because most people seem to like them, there's a select few who don't (which I would further note, the majority of which are blind Bungie fanboys like yourself who can't deal with their preconceptions being messed around with).

For example: showing John's face. Some of us would be just fine without ever seeing it, and some just can't stand the mystery. Now showing it would piss off a lot of those who were fine. Because everybody had their own John.
It is as simple as that, and there is also more to it: John has a mystery about him. You can ponder what can be under the helmet, how many and what scars does he have. The look in his eyes. And this excitement is divine in my words. Showing his face would make him lose that.


What does this have to do with anything? We knew what John's face looked like BEFORE Halo CE was even released, the only thing that hasn't changed is that t isn't shown in the game - which it won't be in Halo 4.

Like the Forerunners for example. We all just loved to think about them. What about the Flood? It was supposed to be an unknown threat that came from outside the galaxy! Isn't that horrible? We wondered where it could have come from. And now we can't and sometimes we are being told we were wrong with our guesses!
But I tell you: This is wrong.
The subtletly and mystery was one of major elements to Halo, that defined it's feel.
More about it down below:

If you read Halo 3 terminals, and it's analysis at AscendantJustice, and got it's feel, you might notice that it is very different from the new novels (Forerunner Saga, Glasslands). Believe it or not, but this used to be Halo. And to many it still is, me being one of them. Now here we see the breaking point. If you managed to keep your old feel about the series, the new games and it's lore will feel alien to you, different.
However if you embraced the new "stuff" or (oh God please no) even said it's better than the old stuff, then you might feel like we are Bungie fanboys.
But you can't deny that if the new feel clashes with the old one, something is getting a bit weird here. That is why some of us think that the new story is going "downhill", which in this context could be a synonym for "elsewhere" and vice versa.


It's funny because I completely spanked you before about this subject. there is absolutely NO difference between the portrayal of the Forerunners in the Halo 3 Terminals and the Forerunners in Greg Bear's novels. Once again, you built up your own preconceptions and because they were wrong, you're crying about it.

First of all, you have to ask yourself some fundimental questions when reading the Terminals - how is it that the Forerunner fleet and their weapons are so strong if they were peaceful? How comes there are Forerunner warriors if they're a peaceful race? Why are they so efficient at creating military strategies and putting them into action if they haven't experienced conflict and war?

And also, the Librarian refers to the Mantle and puts the Forerunners in a dark light:
The Mantle. You still hold to that [fairy tale] after all that has happened? After this thing has consumed a million worlds?

Can't you see? Belief in the Mantle sealed our doom! Weakened our [protectorates], bred dependence and sloth. Our [so-called Guardianship] has stripped those we would keep safe of any capacity for self-defense!

Were we such noble [Guardians] when we drew our line and abandoned billions to the parasite?


I want to direct you to a key line:
Our so-called Guardianship has stripped those we would keep safe of any capacity for self-defense!

We have a perfect reflection of this action in the Forerunner Saga - their actions against the San'Shyuum and Ancient Humans. Janjur Qom was placed under quarantine, stripping them of their weapons and humanity were blasted back to the Stone Age - thus ridding them OF ANY CAPACITY FOR SELF-DEFENSE.

There are more lines like this in the Terminals, but that's an extremely prominent one which just seems to be ignored by people who say that the Forerunner were peaceful. They weren't. There is no clash, this was all buried down in detail in the Terminals and 343i were the ones who had the sense to dig deep down into the context it creates - which is extremely limited since there are a grand total of 3 Forerunners in the Halo 3 Terminals and they establish that their population numbered in the trillions.

Now Halo fans, who really liked the original series might be surprised by the new different direction the game is taking, if they don't downright hate it. But would you hate them for being hardcore fans?

You seem to be creating a stereotype or schism between the lines of opinions that people have. YOU CAN BE A FAN OF BOTH BUNGIE AND 343, you know? It's pretty easy if you rid yourself of all the misguided bollocks you wish to believe and look solely at the facts.

And I also think 343i should have made story of their own. I even think it would do them much better (i.e.: letting your fantasy go full out, make new exciting enemies, no need for excuses for the things you do).

This IS their own story, believe it or not. Bungie didn't have a full plan for Halo 4, they had a few concepts WHICH WERE SCRAPPED before they decided to make Reach.

  • 06.10.2012 6:00 AM PDT

Alright, smartass, how about what you're doing right now? you aren't arguing about halo 4 anymore. Every post you make proves my point further. I said you. The post about the Japanese soldiers was in response to something said on the first page, but that I forgot to post. My overriding point is that you are being unnecessarily and irritatingly belligerent, and I think I speak for everybody when I say it. Even the people who share your opinion about halo 4 aren't on your side anymore, because you're no longer arguing about the game. Now, excuse me, I'm going to get my popcorn to see AJW comprehensibly rip apart everything you say.
Posted by: realdomdom
Posted by: Tucker 051
The story is doing well so far and the Forerunner part of the storyline is very interesting, but the Forerunner novels are being written terribly.
The thing with the forerunners is, they better stayed extinct.


Posted by: risay_117
Story is great especially with what greg bear has done with it. Hope a bit of ridley scot can put a little touch in it.

Gameplay wise, halo was liley to die if they had not made huge changes, the old formula does not work anymore and now everyone need to step their game to cod standards to live. Now progression based gameplay is nice, plus most people wamt it. The real thing is no ome wil beat cod or cods formula whether another game beats cod, until a new formula is created.
Better copy something "good", than invent something "bad".
Well, i never liked that much, really.


Posted by: Saint Jimmy II
I think this is totally possible. In World War II, a group of Japanese soldiers held on on an island (can't remember which one) until 1947, so I while I think that could be a possibility, I I'd be more in favor of the "rogue" theory. That way, maybe we keep the Elites as allies, by helping the main army wipe them out.
Don't wanna "argue" with that. I don't care that much about the details.


Posted by: Saint Jimmy II
As far as I can tell, you're just being sarcastic, truculent, and deliberately irritating. You haven't made an argument in several posts, you simply sit back and pretend to be smart by making fun of everything else that's been said. So how about you make an actual argument or go away?
I don't "pretend" to be smart. LOL
No really, I don't think I'm that much "smarter" than anyone.
But, i made fun of everything else that's been said? OMG
Well then i guess I'll need to apoligize, which I hereby do.
I think, the fact that Halo 4 even exists speaks for itself. I mean, it's just milking the Chiefs tits. That's all it is really. I won't talk about the books.
Was that an argument? If not, please let me know.


Posted by: Saint Jimmy II
You just proved his point, you imbecile. You're being uncivilized. He had nothing against argument, just done in a civilized, calm manner. You're just being a ass, by picking nonsensical holes in everything everybody says.
Imbecile? Really?
I'm being uncivilized. Okaayy.
I'm just being an ass, by picking nonsensical holes in everything everybody says.
Sensei, I'd like to see an example, please.


Posted by: George 257
I agree, Halo 3's ending was a fine end to the whole story. I could write volumes on why I think it was great.

And I also think 343i should have made story of their own. I even think it would do them much better (i.e.: letting your fantasy go full out, make new exciting enemies, no need for excuses).

I appreciate their attempts at making you feel familiar in the new games again (which I love and always loved about Bungie), but they are not very thorough. They seem like formalities. "We bring back the covenant, but as you can see, they are totally different and look alien even as aliens. They are not the same, but they are Covenant." This is weird, which points me in the direction of thinking: This is just a formality. We don't really mean it.

I will say it again, I think they should have picked their own story. There's headhunters, other Spartans, ODSTs, Marines. See, ODST was great, and there was no Chief at all - why milk the old series? If so, why not stay true to it?
I don't know man. You're kinda right. But, maybe they just should have moved on. I mean, completely.

  • 06.10.2012 7:28 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.

Saint Jimmy, who are you referring to?



And as of ajw34307 - you still do not understand anything. You did not spank me out or something like that, I simply ceased conversation with you as of seeing there is no point in arguing with you. I think you are wrong on many levels (as you like to say) and I won't waste energy trying to convince you as you are unconviceable.

You would not see any (ANY AT ALL!) tru7h in my posts and therefore - no point in talking to you.

So I'm telling you again - cease any contact with me. I hope we are clear.

[Edited on 06.10.2012 10:09 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 10:02 AM PDT

yas334229812


Posted by: George 257
Saint Jimmy, who are you referring to?

skull dude. Readedad dude.

[Edited on 06.10.2012 10:11 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 10:09 AM PDT

yas334229812

Also for most of you cod is a game with great ideas, but horrible implementation of such ideas. These ideas have existed for a long time even before cod. Planet side 1.

  • 06.10.2012 10:22 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: George 257
And as of ajw34307 - you still do not understand anything. You did not spank me out or something like that, I simply ceased conversation with you as of seeing there is no point in arguing with you. I think you are wrong on many levels (as you like to say) and I won't waste energy trying to convince you as you are unconviceable.

You would not see any (ANY AT ALL!) tru7h in my posts and therefore - no point in talking to you.

So I'm telling you again - cease any contact with me. I hope we are clear.


I am convincable. The trick is that you have to convince me that you're not a misinformed and utter fool - which frankly, you've failed to do with flying colours. You completely ignore the evidence shown to you (e.g. Forerunner portrayal) and continue on with spewing your rubbish.

As long as you are a cancer to the Universe forum, as long as your malignantly misinformed opinion continues to be a disease to all who have the misfortune of reading it, you will see no end of 'contact' from me.

  • 06.10.2012 10:33 AM PDT

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: George 257
I agree, Halo 3's ending was a fine end to the whole story. I could write volumes on why I think it was great.


And I could write more on why this is just plain wrong.
Please do.


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: George 257
Yes, there were open stories still left. But even then it was disclosed, as mind's imagination could finish them on it's own. Bungie used to be a lot (and still is) about subtlety and secrets, mysteries. They let you use your own imagination or just wanted to leave you ponder in the dark.


That just sounds like lazy storytelling to me. [...] Halo 3 left a colossal gap for a new trilogy with the loose ends it had.
As George 257 said, "Yes, there were open stories still left. But even then it was disclosed, as mind's imagination could finish them on it's own."


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: George 257
Now, choosing to reveal all the secrets and mysteries (and thus destroying them) would be another choice. I do not mind so much, as long as it's good. Which it hardly ever is.


It's funny because most people seem to like them, there's a select few who don't [...].
Please hand in a survey, supporting your statement.


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: George 257
For example: showing John's face. Some of us would be just fine without ever seeing it, and some just can't stand the mystery. Now showing it would piss off a lot of those who were fine. Because everybody had their own John.
It is as simple as that, and there is also more to it: John has a mystery about him. You can ponder what can be under the helmet, how many and what scars does he have. The look in his eyes. And this excitement is divine in my words. Showing his face would make him lose that.


What does this have to do with anything? We knew what John's face looked like BEFORE Halo CE was even released, the only thing that hasn't changed is that t isn't shown in the game - which it won't be in Halo 4.
It's just a mystery thing, buddy.
(BTW, i never knew that about the face. Where can i see it?)


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: George 257
Like the Forerunners for example. We all just loved to think about them. What about the Flood? It was supposed to be an unknown threat that came from outside the galaxy! Isn't that horrible? We wondered where it could have come from. And now we can't and sometimes we are being told we were wrong with our guesses!
But I tell you: This is wrong.
The subtletly and mystery was one of major elements to Halo, that defined it's feel.
More about it down below:

If you read Halo 3 terminals, and it's analysis at AscendantJustice, and got it's feel, you might notice that it is very different from the new novels (Forerunner Saga, Glasslands). Believe it or not, but this used to be Halo. And to many it still is, me being one of them. Now here we see the breaking point. If you managed to keep your old feel about the series, the new games and it's lore will feel alien to you, different.
However if you embraced the new "stuff" or (oh God please no) even said it's better than the old stuff, then you might feel like we are Bungie fanboys.
But you can't deny that if the new feel clashes with the old one, something is getting a bit weird here. That is why some of us think that the new story is going "downhill", which in this context could be a synonym for "elsewhere" and vice versa.


It's funny because I completely spanked you before about this subject. [...]
"The subtletly and mystery was one of major elements to Halo, that defined it's feel."


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: George 257
Now Halo fans, who really liked the original series might be surprised by the new different direction the game is taking, if they don't downright hate it. But would you hate them for being hardcore fans?


You seem to be creating a stereotype or schism between the lines of opinions that people have. you can be a fan of both Bungie and 343, you know? [...].



Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: George 257
And I also think 343i should have made story of their own. I even think it would do them much better (i.e.: letting your fantasy go full out, make new exciting enemies, no need for excuses for the things you do).


This IS their own story, believe it or not. Bungie didn't have a full plan for Halo 4, they had a few concepts WHICH WERE SCRAPPED before they decided to make Reach.
I think with "having a story of their own", George 257 means a completely new story. No strings attached. That stuff.
(George 257, correct me if i'm wrong.)



Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: George 257
And as of ajw34307 - you still do not understand anything. You did not spank me out or something like that, I simply ceased conversation with you as of seeing there is no point in arguing with you. I think you are wrong on many levels (as you like to say) and I won't waste energy trying to convince you as you are unconviceable.

You would not see any (ANY AT ALL!) tru7h in my posts and therefore - no point in talking to you.

So I'm telling you again - cease any contact with me. I hope we are clear.


I am convincable. The trick is that you have to convince me that you're not a misinformed and utter fool - which frankly, you've failed to do with flying colours. You completely ignore the evidence shown to you (e.g. Forerunner portrayal) and continue on with spewing your rubbish.

As long as you are a cancer to the Universe forum, as long as your malignantly misinformed opinion continues to be a disease to all who have the misfortune of reading it, you will see no end of 'contact' from me.


you are a cancer to the Universe forum [...] continues to be a disease to all who have the misfortune of reading it [...]

you are a cancer [...] continues to be a disease [...]

you are a cancer


[Edited on 06.10.2012 10:49 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 10:41 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.

Yes, you understood me right realdomdom.

ajw34307 - use your open-mindedness, which you claim to have, and read AscendantJustice without Greg Bear's books clouding your vision (by which I mean don't use his explanations of the story, but accept what is written there). If you still do not see where my point of view came from, then my previous statement stands - that you are unconviceable.

And yes, Cancer is my Solar Sign, good guess! Though you seem to misinterpret it's meaning.

[Edited on 06.10.2012 10:55 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 10:54 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: realdomdom
As George 257 said, "Yes, there were open stories still left. But even then it was disclosed, as mind's imagination could finish them on it's own."


You're just repeating his point. ANYTHING can be left to the imagination, it's a pretty damn weak argument to make and that's not good storytelling when THERE'S STILL STORIES TO TELL. Closure is a massive thing in just about every story since man mastered writing, stories without any closure on major plot points fall flat on their faces.

Please hand in a survey, supporting your statement.

I find it awfully hypocritical that you demand this kind of evidencefrom me when all you and others here do is spout your constant drivel without supporting it. The only major new thing about the 'new fiction' that is being complained about are some of the writing choices made by Karen Traviss with Glasslands.

(BTW, i never knew that about the face. Where can i see it?)

Halo: The Fall of Reach.

"The subtletly and mystery was one of major elements to Halo, that defined it's feel."

And there are still mysterious elements. We know almost nothing about the Precursors, there's still a lot we don't know about Ancient Humanity, the Forerunners and the past of other races. We get small hints at a few events that happened, but very little concrete information is known. The mystery is still present, the only difference is that we know more now than we did 10 years ago (which only makes sense because a mystery drawn out that long becomes repetitive and dull).

I think with "having a story of their own", George 257 means a completely new story. No strings attached. That stuff.
(George 257, correct me if i'm wrong.)


And yet this still doesn't make sense. 343i have got a 10 year contract with the Halo universe, you're telling me that in this time they shouldn't answer the important questions and instead focus on doing lesser projects just because they're not Bungie?

Once again, this is just stupid. There's no sense to it other than blind fanboyism because the idyllic portrayal people like you two have built of Bungie is nothing more than an illusion you've managed to convince yourselves of.

ajw34307 - use your open-mindedness, which you claim to have, and read AscendantJustice without Greg Bear's books clouding your vision (by which I mean don't use his explanations of the story, but accept what is written there). If you still do not see where my point of view came from, then my previous statement stands - that you are unconviceable.

It's funny because I was an ardent follower of Vociferous's AJ posts back in 2008 when he was doing his Hindsight articles. I know exactly how to look at what he's written without the Forerunner Trilogy in mind BECAUSE I DID FOR 2 YEARS and since the release anyone with sufficient brain capacity can see that the story and portrayal of the Forerunners in the Halo 3 Terminals and Forerunner Trilogy slot together perfectly.

It's nothing short of ironic that Vociferous has since become a member of 343i and enjoys the 'new fiction'.

I'd recommend that everyone give it a good read-through before formulating an opinion. There's a ton of awesome in Glasslands - and it's easily my favorite contemporary Halo book and has some incredible characters and stories. Additionally, while it might not fit everyone's preconceptions of how they'd like this to have shaken out, I've found the story here to be far more interesting than a simple paint-by-numbers or you-have-what-you-get portrayal of the characters/factions involved here.

And yes, Cancer is my Solar Sign, good guess! Though you seem to misinterpret it's meaning.

Oh wow, an unfunny joke. It should be of some significance to you that the dark side of Cancerians in that they're "clingy and unable to let go" - a trait you've shown off very well.

Hold on a minute, I thought you weren't going to talk to me anymore? In fact, I seem to recall getting a PM from you that you're done talking to me and you even said it here too. You're more of a hypocrite than you let on...

[Edited on 06.10.2012 11:18 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 11:00 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.


Posted by: George 257
Yes, you understood me right realdomdom.

ajw34307 - use your open-mindedness, which you claim to have, and read AscendantJustice without Greg Bear's books clouding your vision (by which I mean don't use his explanations of the story, but accept what is written there). If you still do not see where my point of view came from, then my previous statement stands - that you are unconviceable.

And yes, Cancer is my Solar Sign, good guess! Though you seem to misinterpret it's meaning.
oh please how can you say all this hubris about it Halo 3 ending well and Greg Bear clouding our judgents when Bungie the people who created the game and the hole universe say it is Halo. Again those are the people who created the universe, the ones that made the games you like saying it's good and that it's Halo
And to Realdomdom, you are not a Halo Fan you said yourself that you didn't care about the novels and bungies opinion about the game yet you say that Halo 4 is't Halo.
Also i sign Awj's survey


[Edited on 06.10.2012 11:07 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 11:04 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.

To ajw34307: Because you keep bringing me back with your bull-blam!- that is. You are a horrible person and I hope people can see it now.
I'm done with you.


[Edited on 06.10.2012 11:20 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 11:16 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.


Posted by: George 257
Because you keep bringing me back with your bull-blam!- that is. You are a horrible person and this is the last straw.
See you.
He's not an horrible person it's you who was stupid enough to let him humiliate you.
PS:In case you are talking about me thanks for the compliment

  • 06.10.2012 11:19 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: George 257
Because you keep bringing me back with your bull-blam!- that is. You are a horrible person and I hope people can see it now.
I'm done with you.


Maybe if you ceased with the mind-numbingly misinformed bollocks you keep posting then you wouldn't have me on your tail, but because you do it's only sensible that I show you why you're being so stupid - which you, again, go further to prove by ignoring any and all evidence presented to you.

You'll be back. You've said it twice already and failed to ignore me. :)

[Edited on 06.10.2012 11:21 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 11:20 AM PDT