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Subject: Flood = not fully evolved Precursor?
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: BaselessVirus
If the last remaining precursor claims to be a gravemind, then shouldn't it be obvious that the flood are precursor?


He seriously didnt forthencho and the didact just called him one :/

  • 08.01.2012 4:22 AM PDT
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My theory is, that precursors were creating races, once they find a perfect race they force them in to the precursors ( alliance of species like the covenant), if rufused, they face extinction by the flood.

Those wh are not perfet, face extinction by the flood ( like forerunners).

The flood is a precursor made virus, it is even, maybe a part of precurors millitary force.


  • 08.01.2012 4:45 AM PDT

Sorry that was supposed to say if the gravemind claims to be the last precurser. It makes sense for him to be a gravemind, he was deteriorating before he was killed in the reverse timelock that is why the didact realised he was just a gravemind.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: SuMiT iS SiK
Sorry that was supposed to say if the gravemind claims to be the last precurser. It makes sense for him to be a gravemind, he was deteriorating before he was killed in the reverse timelock that is why the didact realised he was just a gravemind.


Huh?


I was under the assumption that the Timebolt (or whatever) was already on which is why he was decaying, Bornstellar just accelerated it to overkill since he was dying too slow.

  • 08.01.2012 6:46 AM PDT

Maybe thats true, i still believe he was a gravemind though because of this quote "It is your task to kill this servant, that another may be freed" It would make no sense for a precurser to refer to himself in the third person as being a prisoner. The way i see it there are only 2 explanations the sound viable for the primordial to say what he said

Explanation one - The primordial was a gravemind controlled by the last precursers consiousness which he transferred into his creation, the flood.


Explanation two - the primordial was a precurser captured and infected by the flood was created by either the precursers which turned against its creators or was created by the forerunners. The slave he refers to (the primordial) may mean that once the primodial is killed another precurser will be released from imprisenment possibly a timelock.

Explanation one makes a lot more sense to me as the primordial refers to himself as the last precurser so that makes it impossible for there to be another. If the primordial was truly infected by the flood he would no longer control his own mind and have his own conciousness so he wouldnt be referring to himself as being a precurser.

Conclusion
Graveminds are formed to combine a stronger more intelligent life form. One is selected (the most formed) to hold the conciousness of the last precurser. This could explain why graveminds need to be created as the precursers conciousness or knowledge is so vast it can be held in the mind of a single host (forerunner/human minds are just not capable of holding such knowlege) so the flood combine to create a much larger "network".

Protograveminds are possibly created to carry out menial tasks sort of like his commanders, maybe he can control grouped life forms easier than singular hosts because there minds can hold more of his presence and intelligance. I think he is present in every flood life form to some degree allowing himself to control all of the flood, more present in protograveminds and i think the main gravemind basically acts as the last precursors CPU (central processing unit).

  • 08.01.2012 8:06 AM PDT
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What i dont understand is, if precursors are extragalactic species ( it means they live in more than one galaxy) then how did the forerunners defeat them ? I mean forerunners arent extragalactic.

  • 08.01.2012 8:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: SuMiT iS SiK
Maybe thats true, i still believe he was a gravemind though because of this quote "It is your task to kill this servant, that another may be freed" It would make no sense for a precurser to refer to himself in the third person as being a prisoner.


What the hell is up with the logic in this forum now?

He could have simply meant that All of this misery was just him following orders from his master and that death would free him from their tyranny as it did for the others. Occam's razor people.

  • 08.01.2012 8:17 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: FTW 1997
What i dont understand is, if precursors are extragalactic species ( it means they live in more than one galaxy) then how did the forerunners defeat them ? I mean forerunners arent extragalactic.


This is exactly what I was thinking.

Although who knows. We thought the Precursors to be pretty much gods and they were defeated by the Forerunners, by their own creations. Perhaps they really weren't extragalactic. Have we have any evidence to assure us this is true? No. Forerunners nor Ancient Humans have never traveled beyond our galaxy, so it could be the figure of the Precursors being mystified.

This would mean, the Precursors fled the galaxy and encountered the Flood where they simply could not fight and were absorbed into the Flood, thus pretty much the entire Precursor race being part of the Flood, which would make The Primordial claim that he is a Precursor and make allegations that the Flood is connected to them.

Who knows, perhaps the Flood Graveminds took that form back then. Remember the Forerunners said the Flood had come back different, evolved as compared to their fight with the Ancient Humans. Same thing happened when they were on the loose and pure forms started to appear. They are a constantly evolving species.

  • 08.01.2012 1:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Who said the forerunners weren't extra-galactic?

  • 08.01.2012 4:32 PM PDT
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It says that only 0 tier creatures are extra galactic, as we know the forerunners were tier 1.

Basetarium.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: FTW 1997
It says that only 0 tier creatures are extra galactic, as we know the forerunners were tier 1.

Basetarium.


Let me rephrase my question.


Where was it said that the forerunners and humans weren't created in another galaxy and then brought here? There was a passage in the Terminals that implied they knew something of another galaxy which is probably going to be brought up in silentium.

  • 08.01.2012 4:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997
It says that only 0 tier creatures are extra galactic, as we know the forerunners were tier 1.

Basetarium.


Let me rephrase my question, guess we will have to wait for silentium.




Where was it said that the forerunners and humans weren't created in another galaxy and then brought here? There was a passage in the Terminals that implied they knew something of another galaxy which is probably going to be brought up in silentium.


Yea well thats a different question, guess we will have to wait for silentium.

[Edited on 08.01.2012 4:45 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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It is the same question. People assume that "extra galactic" must mean the forerunners had the technology to travel between galaxy's. I don't understand why nobody ever thought of them just being brought here, or at least the original incarnation of them.

  • 08.01.2012 4:46 PM PDT

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