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What is the policy on 'pranks' within groups that spill into the public forums? I know groups have been warned before, but I was just wondering what the Bungie.net policy actually is?

  • 06.08.2006 11:44 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

Well, based on personal experience, it can get to the point where the group itself can be shut down.

  • 06.08.2006 11:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: AshWalker
What is the policy on 'pranks' within groups that spill into the public forums? I know groups have been warned before, but I was just wondering what the Bungie.net policy actually is?


The actual Bungie policy? I wish I could tell you. I don't think there is one that's written anywhere.

But was it a prank? No, it wasn't. It was as much a prank as a fire-drill is. That's sort of like how a real takeover is as detrimental to a group as a fire is to your school. It was not meant to spill over into the Septagon, but it did and it was deleted by moderators appropriately. Case closed.

  • 06.09.2006 1:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: m00zor campycow

But was it a prank? No, it wasn't. It was as much a prank as a fire-drill is.


It was as much a prank as pulling the fire alarm for no reason is.

  • 06.09.2006 2:33 AM PDT

Skillet was here and referred to himself in the third person.

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Posted by: m00zor campycow

But was it a prank? No, it wasn't. It was as much a prank as a fire-drill is.


It was as much a prank as pulling the fire alarm for no reason is.


Heh...a friend of mine did that once...he got suspended for a month.

  • 06.09.2006 7:44 AM PDT
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God I only was suspended 3 days.

  • 06.09.2006 8:02 AM PDT
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It was as much a prank as pulling the fire alarm for no reason is.


Not true. Because like a firedrill, we now know how people will react. We now know what a smart course of action would be, were it real. I think that is very important, and integral to the safety of my group.

  • 06.09.2006 8:10 AM PDT

Posted by: m00zor campycow
...and integral to the safety of my group.
The most important thing you can do to protect your group is to not give anybody the ability to promote members. That is all you need to do, and it makes it so you don't have to do "drills".

  • 06.09.2006 8:24 AM PDT

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Technically, anything you do in your chapter or happens to your chapter is up to you, so i seriously doubt Achronos will take any action.

I guess it all really depends on what you mean by 'prank' and who's doing to to who. I think it would be frowned upon, but if you're not breaking any rules, i doubt anything will become of it.

  • 06.09.2006 8:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: m00zor campycow
...and integral to the safety of my group.
The most important thing you can do to protect your group is to not give anybody the ability to promote members. That is all you need to do, and it makes it so you don't have to do "drills".


Well see, there was nothing done that your average moderator couldn't do. A couple of posts were locked, a few threads unpinned, a handful of people 7-day blacklisted. Essentially, it was a simulation of a moderator going rogue...which we now know could be quite disasterous, unless is it quickly managed and fixed.

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  • 06.09.2006 8:51 AM PDT

Posted by: m00zor campycow
Well see, there was nothing done that your average moderator couldn't do. A couple of posts were locked, a few threads unpinned, a handful of people 7-day blacklisted. Essentially, it was a simulation of a moderator going rogue...which we now know could be quite disasterous, unless is it quickly managed and fixed.

That should have been common sense. You didn't need to run an experiment that caused several public forums to be spammed as well. All you had to do is look at what a moderator has the power to do and develop a worst case scenario, the results are the same.

I had to remove threads from the Underground, Septagon, New Mombasa and the Classifieds because of your little experiment - your members that posted in the public forums are lucky they weren't blacklisted.

The way they behaved in the public forums made it look more like a publicity stunt.

[Edited on 6/9/2006]

  • 06.09.2006 10:01 AM PDT
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That's the thing, I have developed a worst-case scenario. But it didn't encompass the spam and the widespread panic that reached across four forums and into numerous groups. That wasn't intentional, but it was a good illustration of what would actually happen, and better yet, how that can be contained and managed by a disaster guide which will be available next time when it's a real takeover.

  • 06.09.2006 10:06 AM PDT

Posted by: Ninja 0n Fire
I had to remove threads from the Underground, Septagon, New Mombasa and the Classifieds because of your little experiment - your members that posted in the public forums are lucky they weren't blacklisted.
There was also a thread about it in the Halo 3 Forum. I didn't realize there were that many threads about the "experiment". Really makes you question the motives.

How 'bout this? No more threads in any forum pertaining to "group takeovers". Sounds good to me.

  • 06.09.2006 10:07 AM PDT
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Agreed dmbfan09. But I have one final remark, and that is, if my motives were indeed advertising, would I have ended it within two hours? Logic would conclude that I would hold out the charade as long as possible, in order to create as many spam posts and attention as attainable. This was not the case. And surely, one could remark that I closed it down early to not "create suspicion", but for the amount of effort it took to run the drill for two hours was not worth the amount of members gained (a trivial five or so). It would have been easier to make a non-inflammatory post in the Classifieds, and get just as many members, rather than the drama which I am still answering for over twelve hours later. I hope that clears the problem in question up, that the motives for hosting such a display were not to advertise in a highly clever and somewhat sinister fashion. I stake my reputation behind it.

  • 06.09.2006 10:12 AM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

It's so obvious that it was an attempt at recruitment. You might as well have renamed that thread 'Achronos help us please and get our group alot of attention in the process!'. You guys already tried making regular recruitment threads that day before you posted here and they either got locked for being in the wrong forum or ignored. Think about it. What could be better for attracting attention than 3 threads in The Septagon and a thread in the Halo 3 Forum saying that your group had been 'hacked' or 'taken over'. It's definitely the most inventive advertising I've ever seen.

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  • 06.09.2006 10:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: mr poopoo232
its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.

It wasn't advertising. Nobody joined ProComm, except for the two accounts used. I would have better luck PM advertising.

  • 06.09.2006 10:31 AM PDT

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Don't do it again, m00zor.

  • 06.09.2006 10:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: mr poopoo232
its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.

Posted by: Achronos
Don't do it again, m00zor.


Case Closed, now lets all shut up and continue life as it was before all this.

[Edited on 6/9/2006]

  • 06.09.2006 10:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: mr poopoo232
its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.

~It got Double Posted, sorry.~

[Edited on 6/9/2006]

  • 06.09.2006 10:35 AM PDT
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This one one of those things - if you weren't there for the first five minutes of the movie none of it made any sense whatsoever.

  • 06.09.2006 10:36 AM PDT
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I am not questioning the motivation for activities like this, just that I think it should go beyond blacklisting the members that posted in public forums about it. I said this before but, "shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theater." I put more reponsibilty of the person shouting Fire than the runs who run screaming into the streets.

  • 06.09.2006 10:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: MCs Brother
It's so obvious that it was an attempt at recruitment. You might as well have renamed that thread 'Achronos help us please and get our group alot of attention in the process!'. You guys already tried making regular recruitment threads that day before you posted here and they either got l ocked for being in the wrong forum or ignored. Think about it. What could be better for attracting attention than 3 threads in The Septagon and a thread in the Halo 3 Forum saying that your group had been 'hacked' or 'taken over'. It's definitely the most inventive advertising I've ever seen.


I will take care of that member, and others like him. Why? Because that post was before the takeover drill started. That post was made at 7:26 PM on 6/8/06. The takeover did not start until after 10 PM. What does that mean? It means that member was illicitly advertising, and that is unacceptable. As for the claims that this was a massive advertising charade, I cannot repeat enough how ineffective it was compared to conventional methods (alliances, Classifieds, etc). Also, if it were just some massive scheme, I would have conducted it for longer. But I didn’t, and that says something of my motives. It says that I was doing it, as I said before, for benign group-improving reasons. I have learned so much more than I could have from merely hypothesizing, as you might imagine. I now know how the whole forum will react, down to the most granular aspects. And while I apologize for the five-forum cross spam, it was, whatever you may want to believe, an unintentional side-effect of the drill. Please be aware that other groups, like MBT, have staged drills before. That was were I got the idea from, for your information. They were not using it to advertise and nor was I. Are they suspect to your claims as well?

Posted by: Achronos
Don't do it again, m00zor.


There we have it. The final word of God. I now shut up and cease talking. =D

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  • 06.09.2006 10:41 AM PDT

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all my points that I made in PF after I had calmed down are also being said here, by moderators.

  • 06.09.2006 11:03 AM PDT

Who got pwned???? m00zor got pwned.

  • 06.09.2006 1:03 PM PDT

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