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In head hunters they said they'd rather face elites because they're smart, which makes them predictable. Brutes on the otherhand, when they go into a rage they're unpredictable.

  • 06.11.2012 9:22 AM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

Brutes are like the western world.
Elites are like the Eastern World.

Brutes are ruthless and only think about survival like most of the humans. They show no respect to traditions. And are nothing more than savage beasts. They even earned their technology rate thanks to the Prophets because they kept destroying their technology in countless civil wars.
The have no manners and no meaning of peace.
They are very selfish. They don't admit their failings and feel better than almost any other being.

Elites are like samurai or ancient civilizations, they care for themselves as well for others, traditions and their forefathers. The often do respect their enemy when the see their equel in them. They are well trained and disciplined.
They are also very wise. They could be true inheritors of the Forerunners. But are easily convinced and therefore naive, but they admit it like true wise beings.

  • 06.11.2012 1:29 PM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

very predictible to set up a trap?
The elite's trap was a trap.
I never saw such an easy but smart plan on the Brute's side.

  • 06.11.2012 1:31 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: DeBleserMike
Elites are like samurai or ancient civilizations, they care for themselves as well for others, traditions and their forefathers. The often do respect their enemy when the see their equel in them. They are well trained and disciplined.
They are also very wise. They could be true inheritors of the Forerunners. But are easily convinced and therefore naive, but they admit it like true wise beings.


Halo: Glasslands pretty much destroyed that view of the Elites. Now they are just a bunch of xenophobic, religious sociopaths just waiting to kill more humans.

  • 06.11.2012 1:39 PM PDT


Posted by: DeBleserMike
Brutes are like the western world.
Elites are like the Eastern World.

Brutes are ruthless and only think about survival like most of the humans. They show no respect to traditions. And are nothing more than savage beasts. They even earned their technology rate thanks to the Prophets because they kept destroying their technology in countless civil wars.
The have no manners and no meaning of peace.
They are very selfish. They don't admit their failings and feel better than almost any other being.

Elites are like samurai or ancient civilizations, they care for themselves as well for others, traditions and their forefathers. The often do respect their enemy when the see their equel in them. They are well trained and disciplined.
They are also very wise. They could be true inheritors of the Forerunners. But are easily convinced and therefore naive, but they admit it like true wise beings.



A: what traditions do brutes disrespect? They appear to be savage beasts, but can be very cunning. They worked they way up... I think it's at least TWICE to nuclear weapons and space travel. And in the Covenant they weren't gifted much of any tech (as clearly shown by them using their OWN GEAR, which they MADE THEMSELVES *bar chopper, but even then they mass produced from the original design*) No manners or meaning of peace. Same could be said about elites now. Or humans. These brutes are probably honoring time tested ways of life (Just like the Krogan in Mass Effect), The best ways? probably not. But never make the mistake of calling them dumb animals(And believing it) because that is underestimating and as soon as you do that you are dead.

B: As said, Glasslands destroys that version of Elites. Elites in Glasslands view all humans as cowards and lying scum (despite humanity you know, never -blam!- lying to an elite as I can tell). That large, growing group the respected humans? As far as I can tell they all got killed by their fellows. Or all committed suicide as they are never shown or even referenced. The elites that support peace (bar maybe Thel) support peace ONLY because the Elites don't have the strength to fight and destroy humanity entirely.

  • 06.11.2012 1:51 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Actually, I don't think the Brutes made it twice to space travel. I recall them getting that far, nuking themselves down back to pre-Atomic Age levels of tech and then the Covenant brought them back up to spacefaring.

  • 06.11.2012 1:52 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Actually, I don't think the Brutes made it twice to space travel. I recall them getting that far, nuking themselves down back to pre-Atomic Age levels of tech and then the Covenant brought them back up to spacefaring.


I'll have to check, but IIRC, they were almost back to space-faring when the Covenant found them. Rockets and radio tech.

Regardless, warfare/combat focused or not, underestimating the brutes (or any enemy really) is asking to get your ass handed to you :P.

[Edited on 06.11.2012 2:01 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2012 2:00 PM PDT

To be honest I prefer Elites and the Arbiter but that is just my opinion

  • 06.11.2012 2:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: DeBleserMike
Brutes are like the western world.
Elites are like the Eastern World.

Brutes are ruthless and only think about survival like most of the humans. They show no respect to traditions. And are nothing more than savage beasts. They even earned their technology rate thanks to the Prophets because they kept destroying their technology in countless civil wars.
The have no manners and no meaning of peace.
They are very selfish. They don't admit their failings and feel better than almost any other being.

Elites are like samurai or ancient civilizations, they care for themselves as well for others, traditions and their forefathers. The often do respect their enemy when the see their equel in them. They are well trained and disciplined.
They are also very wise. They could be true inheritors of the Forerunners. But are easily convinced and therefore naive, but they admit it like true wise beings.

Generalizations, generalizations everywhere.

[Edited on 06.11.2012 3:06 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2012 3:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: DeBleserMike
Elites are like samurai or ancient civilizations, they care for themselves as well for others, traditions and their forefathers. The often do respect their enemy when the see their equel in them. They are well trained and disciplined.
They are also very wise. They could be true inheritors of the Forerunners. But are easily convinced and therefore naive, but they admit it like true wise beings.


Halo: Glasslands pretty much destroyed that view of the Elites. Now they are just a bunch of xenophobic, religious sociopaths just waiting to kill more humans.
Elites have been systematically destroyed in Halo games but Glasslands is of greater guilt.

It's ironic how a character in the novel seems to reference what Traviss did:

"The woman rewrites her own reality as she goes along."

  • 06.11.2012 3:08 PM PDT
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BRUTES ARE COMPLETE DESTROYERS! They take alot of hits then kill you!

  • 06.12.2012 5:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy
Pretty sure if brutes were smarter they would have obliterated the entire human race and the elites by themselves.

That's like saying if elites were stronger they would have obliterated the entire human race and the brutes by themselves. Their purpose is to be stronger, yet more retarded than the elites.

  • 06.12.2012 5:48 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Mark V guy
Pretty sure if brutes were smarter they would have obliterated the entire human race and the elites by themselves.


If the Brutes weren't fighting amongst themselves at the same time which they often do.

  • 06.12.2012 5:55 PM PDT

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I like Brutes, their technology is primitive yet brutally effective

  • 06.12.2012 6:27 PM PDT


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Posted by: Mark V guy
Pretty sure if brutes were smarter they would have obliterated the entire human race and the elites by themselves.

That's like saying if elites were stronger they would have obliterated the entire human race and the brutes by themselves. Their purpose is to be stronger, yet more retarded than the elites.


They aren't retarded. They are, however, more focused on different things.

It's like saying, a football player is a stronger, more retarded person then a scholar. True? no. The football player is stronger, and he might not be as smart, but he isn't retarded. He just focuses on different things.

Again, there are probably brute scientists/engineers. However, instead of focusing on building better houses, making farm fields better. They are focusing on building more protected buildings, better war machines.


The brute's wouldn't win, merely because they didn't get a chance to learn the tech before being thrust into a civil war of the Covenant. And even then, it'd only take a handful of prophets to appear to unify the Brutes again.

  • 06.12.2012 10:18 PM PDT

How does Bungie know just what to do to get my heart racing?

I'll never understand.

because wort wort wort.

lol, no but really? it does all boil down to gameplay. Brutes are just dumb bullet sponges who take 3 or 4 shots then start running rampant. boring.

I for one though, choose elites over brutes because of the satisfying *pop* of the elites shields when you're about to take one down.

  • 06.12.2012 10:25 PM PDT
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In my mind they're like Krogan from Mass Effect but about 700 times dumber and a million times less skilled

  • 06.13.2012 8:43 AM PDT

These shades are only meant to keep the blood out of my eyes...

Brutes can be pretty formidable in numbers, they may not have the intellect as say an elite, but they're strong and have a lot of health. Combine that with the weapons and equipment they use, they are pretty deadly, that is if you are playing on Legendary ;)

  • 06.13.2012 8:58 AM PDT

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  • 06.13.2012 9:43 AM PDT

Brutes in Halo 2 were a complete joke. Whoever designed them and thought they would make a great new enemy class are quite frankly morons. From a visual design perspective they were horrid in Halo 2, just big talking gorillas. The Drones introduced in Halo 2 are also pretty boring.

Bungie definitely improved the Brutes in Halo 3 and Reach by giving them some pretty cool armour (especially the helmets), but they still don't compare visually to the coolness of the Elites.

Hopefully what we see in terms of new enemies in Halo 4 are Elite-cool and not Brute-lame. So far the ones I've seen are so-so.

[Edited on 06.14.2012 5:44 PM PDT]

  • 06.14.2012 5:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Elites used to strafe (CE) and swarm (H2). Then they began to charge into battle (H3) and get killed in cqc (H3).

As of Reach, they rarely evade (unless Tough Luck is on), make mistakes like berserking when their shields aren't down, rarely seek cover in cqc, relying on their impetuous 1 hit kill melee and fast movement speed. And they're freaking damage sponges with absurd movement speed and damage if I haven't forgotten to mention that.

But they're still better and more appealing than Brutes.

Posted by: Mark V guy
I think that in Halo 3 brutes look so much cooler than elites.
Because of their power armor no doubt.

Posted by: Mark V guy
Not all Brutes are warmongers.

As for your question, I hate them because they're cheap. Chieftains, the epitome of cheap and fail enemy AI. They will never take the place of Elite Zealot.

They have -blam!- ton of health yet they're easily assassinated, have invincibility which is pointless to give to them since they're easily assassinated. And only after using invincibility do they gain the ability to leap (no doubt to hide their frail combat capabilities as mentioned above). The equipment they drop can be random. Sometimes they drop Flare which is completely useless to the player. Their power armor deflects needle shards and sticky grenades, 2 of the most fun and versatile (at least in CE) killing means.

Finally, as you, a supposed Brute fan, have stated on these forums, Chieftains are easy to beat down to death.

We can come to the following conclusion from all this observation:

Bad:

-lunge. How is it believable that I can suddenly fly towards an enemy that's some distance from me? It should only be for the sword and perhaps hammer

-turning melee. It's slow and it lets me shoot at a Hunter's back. For Brutes, it's even more easier to take advantage of

-crate climbing. Whether they're Elites or Brutes, combat with Covies has been so much more easier when they're wasting their time climbing up when they could go around or jump over it...

-increasing health without changing tactics (at least ODST made Chieftains use the Invincibility when they were about to be hit by a rocket)

-increasing health based on rank. Fire the AR into a Brute minor than into a Brute captain. Huge difference in health yet no difference in aesthetic body armor

-deploying equipment when player's crosshair is near them or when they see the player. Deploying a bubble shield then walking out of it or just waiting inside even when the player clearly has a superior weapon. Bubble shields are just a cheap way of stalling the inevitable

Good:

-big melee range for everyone. A big melee range is more immersive. I could melee infection forms in CE. I had a tougher time assassinating Elites yet their tracking wasn't very good (and this is a good thing) so it was still possible to manipulate them for an assassination

-less health, weaker melees, more numbers. Again, from CE.

On The Storm, there's only about 20 Brutes that you can bring to the AA gun.

On The Covenant, there's only about 20 Brutes that you can bring to the last lookout tower of the level (because the game kills them off if you spawn the Scarabs).

Lame, very lame. Very linear. Small numbers = squad engagements = modern = NOT Halo

-improving tactics. Brutes throw grenades as bad as Grunts. They should synchronize their grenade throwing. Throw them more aggressively, like Reach Elites. They're still sticking each other in Reach and it's obviously because they have slow melees

-rank distinction. Brute Captains have stronger shields and wield Brute Shots or Carbines. That's all that makes them distinct. It's pathetic. They should be able to call in dropship support and should be seen commanding AI to take up positions (like what the Elite did in a certain Halo 2 trailer)


Overall, H3 campaign was fail and so was Reach. H4 is actually taking it upon itself to make the campaign strong once again though I have doubts.


Sir, you need a thread to dedicate to how correct most of that is.

I don't even know where to begin, but you've hit the nail on the head. Looking back it's now so obvious why I've never really enjoyed the campaign of Halo 3. The enemies had too little tactical variety.

[Edited on 06.14.2012 5:50 PM PDT]

  • 06.14.2012 5:46 PM PDT

Well i Don't like the face that they took the Elite's place of the bigger-than-MC alien in Halo 2.

  • 06.15.2012 7:22 PM PDT

Brutes in halo 2 were ridiculous charging damage sponges. The outcome of a fight with them depended on making the headshot after breaking their helmet while they were going berserk. You make the shot, you killed it. If you didn't, you died. But in the story, they are what their name suggests. They eat their dead enemies, and torture and do who-knows whatever other barbaric things to themselves and enemies. Finally, its a very unsophisticated society were mortal combat with the current chief determines the next leader.

  • 06.16.2012 1:44 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Because they went from being cool in Halo 2 to terrible in every later incarnation.

  • 06.16.2012 1:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Because they went from being cool in Halo 2 to terrible in every later incarnation.


Haha true, H2 Brutes definitely were the best ones in the series. They really felt like a special group of tribal warriors in a futuristic alien conglomerate

  • 06.16.2012 7:21 PM PDT

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