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Subject: Could a super mac 1 hit ko a super carrier?

The total energy released from the impact of a MAC round fired from a UNSC Orbital Defense Platform releases a colossal 216 exajoules of energy (51.6 gigatons). To put this in perspective, this is about 3,428,571 times the energy released from the atomic bomb detonated over Hiroshima in World War II, which released a comparatively small 63 terajoules of energy (15.5 kilotons).

Yes. Even if that force wasn't enough to destroy the ship ( That amount of energy could end life on planet ), the thermal energy from the round impacting the shield would cause its own shields to vaporize the ship itself. The bigger and stronger the ships shields are, the more thermal energy that's going to backlash against the ship.

[Edited on 06.10.2012 2:20 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 2:19 PM PDT


Posted by: The Seraphim
The total energy released from the impact of a MAC round fired from a UNSC Orbital Defense Platform releases a colossal 216 exajoules of energy (51.6 gigatons). To put this in perspective, this is about 3,428,571 times the energy released from the atomic bomb detonated over Hiroshima in World War II, which released a comparatively small 63 terajoules of energy (15.5 kilotons).

Yes. Even if that force wasn't enough to destroy the ship ( That amount of energy could end life on planet ), the thermal energy from the round impacting the shield would cause its own shields to vaporize the ship itself. The bigger and stronger the ships shields are, the more thermal energy that's going to backlash against the ship.


And where does this thermal energy backlash come from? Seriously, I've looked up the 'laws of thermodynamics'. and found nothing relating to it.

  • 06.10.2012 2:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
And where does this thermal energy backlash come from? Seriously, I've looked up the 'laws of thermodynamics'. and found nothing relating to it.


It's only a theory, but highly plausible in my opinion. Regardless, one round would obliterate the ship.

It is theorized that if a ship's armor or shields were to absorb all the kinetic energy of a super MAC round, the release of thermodynamic energy would still vaporize the ship.

  • 06.10.2012 2:28 PM PDT


Posted by: The Seraphim

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
And where does this thermal energy backlash come from? Seriously, I've looked up the 'laws of thermodynamics'. and found nothing relating to it.


It's only a theory, but highly plausible in my opinion. Regardless, one round would obliterate the ship.

It is theorized that if a ship's armor or shields were to absorb all the kinetic energy of a super MAC round, the release of thermodynamic energy would still vaporize the ship.


If the armor took it, the round would keep going anyway. However, I'm just not buying that the super carrier, in it's MASSIVE size (see linked picture earlier) can just be one shot killed by any super MAC platform. The scope of ship has never before Reach been shown, and it's never been described as being hit by a super MAC round.

And, again, everybody seems to view it as "round hits shields and is stopped cold/floats there." Can nobody confirm deny what I remember reading about frigate MAC's bouncing off/deflecting from ship shields? Cause if that's confirmed true, the same would happen in the super-MAC round didn't go through the shields in one hit.

Again, hence my statement. If that is true, then with a super-MAC station I can effectively destroy ANY ship in the universe, including Forerunner.

edit: Can I please have a quote of, which 'law of thermodynamics' applies here?

[Edited on 06.10.2012 2:54 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2012 2:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Can I please have a quote of, which 'law of thermodynamics' applies here?
Do shields deflect or absorb energy/matter?
We have to determine that before any statement regarding real world physics can be made.

  • 06.10.2012 3:38 PM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Can I please have a quote of, which 'law of thermodynamics' applies here?
Do shields deflect or absorb energy/matter?
We have to determine that before any statement regarding real world physics can be made.


Which is one thing I've been trying to get a confirm on. Cause I remember them talking about the MJOLNIR and Covenant ship shields as deflecting/bouncing rounds off instead of stopping them cold.

  • 06.10.2012 4:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Which is one thing I've been trying to get a confirm on. Cause I remember them talking about the MJOLNIR and Covenant ship shields as deflecting/bouncing rounds off instead of stopping them cold.


That's different whole ballpark compared to Super MAC slugs traveling .4c.

You must understand, as far I believe, Covenant Shields actually are designed to absorb high velocity projectiles aka MAC slugs. That is why we often see that UNSC ship grade MAC guns are bouncing off on Covenant shields but if you think it completely negated the MAC's damage, that is undemonstratively untrue. According to law of thermodynamics and physics (I'm interpreting), each MAC slug impacting the Covenant shield actually damages the ship's hull and its shield's ability to regenerate due to its transfer of kinetic energy. That is why it was stated that two to three MAC hits would take down its Covenant's shields and cause major damage to ship itself.

And MJOLNIR's shields actually bounce off various caliber, even 50mm (one round so far, depleted his half of entire shields) is MUCH more weaker in kinetic energy compared to MAC slugs and SMAC slugs traveling at light speed.

Super MAC fires depleted uranium or tungsten slugs, weighting about 3,000 tons (nearly six million pounds), traveling at .4c (267,840,000 miles per hour) generating about 51.6 gigatons which it is powerful enough to end all life on the planet (basically planet killer power level) and it clearly stated that "No UNSC or Covenant ships have been shown to survive direct impact of Super-MAC slug.

And also, laws of thermodynamics explains about transfer of energy (I think it's conversion of matter or energy). Ask Anton about that law of thermodynamics. I'll get to that later.

  • 06.10.2012 6:13 PM PDT

Well, as stated that line was also said before we saw Supercarriers <_<.

  • 06.10.2012 6:35 PM PDT

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The round isn't big enough to rip the ship apart, it would just make a hole straight through, even if it could somehow break the shields.

  • 06.10.2012 6:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace
The round isn't big enough to rip the ship apart, it would just make a hole straight through, even if it could somehow break the shields.


Can you read?

It clearly states that it shatters any ships. I recall, CSS class ship is 1,000 to 1,200 meters long and compared to MAC slugs, its pretty small compared to those ships but it still does lot of damage.

  • 06.11.2012 12:41 AM PDT
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Actually the NOVA bomb was designed to wipe out a solar system, not a planet.

  • 06.11.2012 5:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: tjal
Actually the NOVA bomb was designed to wipe out a solar system, not a planet.


Right...that's why it couldn't blow up a single planet...

  • 06.11.2012 8:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: tjal
Actually the NOVA bomb was designed to wipe out a solar system, not a planet.


Wrong. It's designed to be planet killer.

It has been calculated to be 1.2 petatons which, is not enough to be solar system killer. You're looking at yetatons to zetatons to destroy entire solar systems.

  • 06.11.2012 10:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sigma617
This begs the question: Why did the UNSC develop NOVA bombs as planet crackers when they could have ended all life on a planet with a salvo (or single shot) of a Super MAC?

It's hard to strap those things on mobile craft I guess.
I think it's more about power requirements. They use those big groundside generators...

  • 06.11.2012 10:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sigma617
This begs the question: Why did the UNSC develop NOVA bombs as planet crackers when they could have ended all life on a planet with a salvo (or single shot) of a Super MAC?

It's hard to strap those things on mobile craft I guess.
I think it's more about power requirements. They use those big groundside generators...

This, overwise the unsc would just use super macs as ships rather then their actual ships.

  • 06.11.2012 10:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: tjal
Actually the NOVA bomb was designed to wipe out a solar system, not a planet.


Wrong. It's designed to be planet killer.

It has been calculated to be 1.2 petatons which, is not enough to be solar system killer. You're looking at yetatons to zetatons to destroy entire solar systems.

Ah yes, you are right. Sorry.
On topic: the impact of a mac round on a planet would be in comparison a small nuke. Not enough to wipe out the planet.

  • 06.11.2012 11:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: tjal

Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: tjal
Actually the NOVA bomb was designed to wipe out a solar system, not a planet.


Wrong. It's designed to be planet killer.

It has been calculated to be 1.2 petatons which, is not enough to be solar system killer. You're looking at yetatons to zetatons to destroy entire solar systems.

Ah yes, you are right. Sorry.
On topic: the impact of a mac round on a planet would be in comparison a small nuke. Not enough to wipe out the planet.


They are saying Orbital Station MACS would do that to a planet.

  • 06.11.2012 11:27 AM PDT

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  • 06.11.2012 11:43 AM PDT

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On topic: the impact of a mac round on a planet would be in comparison a small nuke. Not enough to wipe out the planet.


Once again, untrue.

SMAC releases enough energy to end all life on the planet. 51.6 gigatons is more than enough to cause complete extinction and make the planet completely void. If I remember correctly, 50 gigatons is equal to be 1-3 mile asteroid. I'd have to ask Anton about that.

Normal ship-grade MAC are rated to be 64.5 kilotons (only it applies to Frigate and Destroyers) is actual medium-sized nuke in comparison.

  • 06.11.2012 12:41 PM PDT

Could a big mac 1 hit insta kill an assault carrier who knows.

Was somone keeping count

  • 06.11.2012 2:31 PM PDT

I don't even understand how a 3000 ton object is accelerated to 1.2*10^7 m/s over a distance of 802.2m (acceleration of 9*10^11m/s/s,therefore force of 2.7*10^15N)can be fired from a orbital defence platform without the odp being ripped to shreds

edit: now im even more confused,reading two different articles on halopedian. one says the speed is 4% speed of light, the other says 4 tenths (40%)

edit 2: ill assume it is o.o4 speed of light as this equates to the 216 exajoules

[Edited on 06.11.2012 6:43 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2012 6:34 PM PDT

any way, back on topic, i would imagine that if a shield were to hold, then the ship would not be destroyed because the covenant are probably smart enough to make their shields reflect energy to the out side, not the inside of the shield, and if the shields do not hold, then it would surely depend how much the shields slowed the mac round down as to whether the ship is destroyed

  • 06.11.2012 6:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: MAC Blast

I am not a physics expert by any means so I am wrong on this. I think what they mean by that is that the shields can't dissipate the kinetic energy anywhere else but the ship, so that the force of the SMAC would be transferred to the hull of the ship through the shields. The shields may have some method of dissipating the energy over time, because energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only changed from one form to another.


That was a great explanation.

  • 06.11.2012 8:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace
The round isn't big enough to rip the ship apart, it would just make a hole straight through, even if it could somehow break the shields.


Can you read?

It clearly states that it shatters any ships. I recall, CSS class ship is 1,000 to 1,200 meters long and compared to MAC slugs, its pretty small compared to those ships but it still does lot of damage.


Yeah and the supercarrie is 28km long... it would be like shooting a needle through an elephant, it wouldn't do enough damage, even if it went right through and came out the other side.

  • 06.11.2012 8:48 PM PDT

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