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Subject: Wait a minute... (S-III Program Question)

Kat and Jun were SPARTAN-IIIs from New Harmony. SPARTAN-III candidates consisted only of orphans from glassed planets. But the Battle of New Harmony was a human victory, and even if it wasn't, it happened in 2537, after the recruitment of candidates for Alpha and Beta Companies. Is this a canon error or am I missing something?

[Edited on 06.13.2012 4:22 PM PDT]

  • 06.13.2012 4:22 PM PDT

The only thing I can find is that it says "Prior to 2537, a battle took place here."

From the wiki, unless you have another source.

And, really it was "orphans", glassed planets just were the source of the most I would think.

Edit: Okay followed another link, and it confirms "Before July 2537 " for a time period. And, even if it was a UNSC victory in space, there could've been ground engagements/damage.

[Edited on 06.13.2012 4:26 PM PDT]

  • 06.13.2012 4:24 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The only thing I can find is that it says "Prior to 2537, a battle took place here."

From the wiki, unless you have another source.

And, really it was "orphans", glassed planets just were the source of the most I would think.

Edit: Okay followed another link, and it confirms "Before July 2537 " for a time period. And, even if it was a UNSC victory in space, there could've been ground engagements/damage.


Ah, I must of missed the "before," thanks for the reply. One other thing I can't figure out though, why take orphans from the same planet for two separate companies years apart?

  • 06.13.2012 4:50 PM PDT

Because they matched the genetic restrictions.

  • 06.13.2012 5:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Because they matched the genetic restrictions.
Wasn't the whole point of Spartan IIIs that they didn't have genetic restrictions?

  • 06.13.2012 11:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Because they matched the genetic restrictions.
Wasn't the whole point of Spartan IIIs that they didn't have genetic restrictions?


No, but there was a focus on a wider selection for candidates. You have to remember the augmentation techniques improved over time allowing for more candidates.

  • 06.13.2012 11:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tucker 051

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Because they matched the genetic restrictions.
Wasn't the whole point of Spartan IIIs that they didn't have genetic restrictions?

No, a more loose genetic scan was performed, not as tight as Halsey's. The purpose of the S-3s were to provide cheaper Spartans with the same level of mission effectiveness

  • 06.13.2012 11:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: TedToaster22
Is this a canon error or am I missing something?

To answer this....yes being, according to Ghost of Onyx, the Spartan III operation was started around the time MC destroyed the first ring, and Kat and Jun where in the Reach Campaign. And just in case you didn't know this, all of the other nobles where Spartan III's also except Jorge.

  • 06.14.2012 10:06 AM PDT

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What I don't get is why its not the S-II's on Reach since they were and out of the things I've read or found why are there S-III's on reach and lets say there are, why the hell is JORGE not leading them since they basically revered the S-II's as like a hero figure? Also why is there only JORGE who is an S-II the only one of them there when the rest where fighting the ground engagement together except for the MC, Linda, and James up in the space-dock mission in the book?

The S-III candidates usually came from orphans who were selected or vollunteered most of the time.

[Edited on 06.14.2012 2:21 PM PDT]

  • 06.14.2012 2:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Watch Man206

Posted by: TedToaster22
Is this a canon error or am I missing something?

To answer this....yes being, according to Ghost of Onyx, the Spartan III operation was started around the time MC destroyed the first ring, and Kat and Jun where in the Reach Campaign. And just in case you didn't know this, all of the other nobles where Spartan III's also except Jorge.


No, the Spartan-III program began a good 20+ years before the destruction of Installation 04.

  • 06.14.2012 3:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: sargemike5693
What I don't get is why its not the S-II's on Reach since they were and out of the things I've read or found why are there S-III's on reach and lets say there are, why the hell is JORGE not leading them since they basically revered the S-II's as like a hero figure? Also why is there only JORGE who is an S-II the only one of them there when the rest where fighting the ground engagement together except for the MC, Linda, and James up in the space-dock mission in the book?

The S-III candidates usually came from orphans who were selected or vollunteered most of the time.

I won't argue about the Spartan 3s awe of the S-2s, based off of, I belive Lucy's, reaction to seeing Kurt's Mjolnir armor.

All nearby UNSC forces were recalled to Reach once the formal fighting began, possibly even before that. This included any nearby Spartans. Jorge is'nt leading NOBLE because I believe (speculate) that he was'nt originally recruited for the team, I beliveve Kat and Carter are the only original members left.
Also if you didnt notice NOBLE was around for many of the big fights on Reach but never took a direct role in fighting the Covenant. They performed special ops- assaulting the Spire, scouting a presumed Covenant LZ, leading OPERATION UPPERCUT, defending Sword Base, destroying Sword Base...

  • 06.14.2012 10:39 PM PDT


Posted by: sargemike5693
What I don't get is why its not the S-II's on Reach since they were and out of the things I've read or found why are there S-III's on reach and lets say there are, why the hell is JORGE not leading them since they basically revered the S-II's as like a hero figure? Also why is there only JORGE who is an S-II the only one of them there when the rest where fighting the ground engagement together except for the MC, Linda, and James up in the space-dock mission in the book?

The S-III candidates usually came from orphans who were selected or vollunteered most of the time.


Where the heck do they say the S-II's are revered as hero figures? I remember them saying the S-IV's revered Master Chief as a hero figure.

Also, Lucy's reaction the Mark IV, I believe was more the fact he refused to put it on, when it was far more protective then SPI. (Might be wrong on next part) She also might have never seen it, since she's beta company. If Kurt had put away his armor during Alpha company training/right after Alpha company was done, she'd have never known about it. So it'd be a "Wow, you had this the entire time?"

[Edited on 06.14.2012 10:58 PM PDT]

  • 06.14.2012 10:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: sargemike5693
What I don't get is why its not the S-II's on Reach since they were and out of the things I've read or found why are there S-III's on reach and lets say there are, why the hell is JORGE not leading them since they basically revered the S-II's as like a hero figure? Also why is there only JORGE who is an S-II the only one of them there when the rest where fighting the ground engagement together except for the MC, Linda, and James up in the space-dock mission in the book?

The S-III candidates usually came from orphans who were selected or vollunteered most of the time.


Where the heck do they say the S-II's are revered as hero figures? I remember them saying the S-IV's revered Master Chief as a hero figure.

Also, Lucy's reaction the Mark IV, I believe was more the fact he refused to put it on, when it was far more protective then SPI. (Might be wrong on next part) She also might have never seen it, since she's beta company. If Kurt had put away his armor during Alpha company training/right after Alpha company was done, she'd have never known about it. So it'd be a "Wow, you had this the entire time?"

Spartna 4s? I dunno anything about them except that they are the top of the special forces marines and such and that wear lightweight Mjonir armor.

No, his refusal to put it on was to symbolize his joining with his Spartans, and if she is the one that couldnt speak then she for sure saw it when they broke back into the base camp. I believe Kurt even remarks about her awe, confirming to her that he was one of those legendary figures that the Spartan 3s strive to be like.

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True I believe that's what he mean't when kurt did that but then again what about how cortana was made when in the books she was made from a cloned brain of Dr. Halsey and yet in the game she was the "custodian" of the knowledge which they basically contradict each other and to make another point is how did Dr. Halsey know about the S-III's when she finds out "after" Reach fell since it was Col Ackerson that made the S-III's and they were so to say "rivals" but yet she knew those spartans even though she never met them except Jorge when she only knew all the S-II's...... and also just since we're talking about things if you remember back to the end of Halo 2, how did Johnson and Miranda come to be on Earth before the MC did when they were all the way on the "Delta Halo" with no ship to get back since the frigate they came in was taken over by the flood/gravemind and crashed inside of high charity (couldn't be the elites since they showed up later in Halo 3)?

  • 06.15.2012 12:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: Watch Man206

Posted by: TedToaster22
Is this a canon error or am I missing something?

To answer this....yes being, according to Ghost of Onyx, the Spartan III operation was started around the time MC destroyed the first ring, and Kat and Jun where in the Reach Campaign. And just in case you didn't know this, all of the other nobles where Spartan III's also except Jorge.


No, the Spartan-III program began a good 20+ years before the destruction of Installation 04.

then i have a question.....one, didnt kyle train all spartan III's and if he did, how old is he?

  • 06.15.2012 11:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Watch Man206
then i have a question.....one, didnt kyle train all spartan III's and if he did, how old is he?
Who?

Are you referring to Mendez or Kurt?

[Edited on 06.15.2012 11:56 AM PDT]

  • 06.15.2012 11:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: Watch Man206
then i have a question.....one, didnt kyle train all spartan III's and if he did, how old is he?
Who?

Are you referring to Mendez or Kurt?

Kurt, sorry, and yes

  • 06.15.2012 12:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Watch Man206

then i have a question.....one, didnt kyle train all spartan III's and if he did, how old is he?


Yes, Kurt trained them all and he would be in his 40s by 2552.

  • 06.15.2012 12:03 PM PDT

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well i completely forgot about how there were two "groups" of Spartan III's and i was thinking Kurt was still young when he was training them, which caused my confusion, but thanks for the correction.

  • 06.15.2012 12:06 PM PDT

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I just saw an interview of Frank O'Conner where he mentions that all the survivors of the "Great War" only know of Master Chief's heroism and how he "sacrificed himself to save the galaxy, so the new Spartan-IV's are really in awe of the legend he created.

Halsey learned of the S-III's when she was on CASTLE BASE I believe, she was on a computer console and she hacked into ONI or Ackerson's logs. Its explained how she learned of them in Ghosts of Onyx but I really cannot recall how.

@sargemike Cortana in Halo Reach is another form of Cortana that integrated with the Cortana that had already been with the Chief and The Autumn before. You gotta remember John trained with Cortana before Halo: CE and she/it was created before or around the same time as the introduction of MJONIR battle suits to the Spartans.

The Cortana under Sword Base was specialized in Forerunner technology and the apex of Human technology.

[Edited on 06.15.2012 12:20 PM PDT]

  • 06.15.2012 12:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: sargemike5693
True I believe that's what he mean't when kurt did that but then again what about how cortana was made when in the books she was made from a cloned brain of Dr. Halsey and yet in the game she was the "custodian" of the knowledge which they basically contradict each other and to make another point is how did Dr. Halsey know about the S-III's when she finds out "after" Reach fell since it was Col Ackerson that made the S-III's and they were so to say "rivals" but yet she knew those spartans even though she never met them except Jorge when she only knew all the S-II's...... and also just since we're talking about things if you remember back to the end of Halo 2, how did Johnson and Miranda come to be on Earth before the MC did when they were all the way on the "Delta Halo" with no ship to get back since the frigate they came in was taken over by the flood/gravemind and crashed inside of high charity (couldn't be the elites since they showed up later in Halo 3)?


Cortana is still made out of Halsey's brain in Reach, she just titled her as the custodian AI of that artifact because it was the only one allowed to be there.

Halsey didn't know Noble Team had Spartan III's, she suspected that they were ONI-made Spartans and her doubts were cleared when she found Ackerson's files under Castle Base.

Thel probably took them to Earth since he is with them at the beginning of Halo 3.

  • 06.15.2012 12:23 PM PDT

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Wait, did the first batch of Spartan III's all die on that first Delta mission, with the last Spartan III dying almost exactly as Six did?????? Or am i getting dates wrong and putting events where they didnt acually happen.

Edit: Wait, im starting to get my facts straight now, the first 2 company's were around-ish the time of Reach, and Gamma was the company during Onyx.

[Edited on 06.15.2012 1:44 PM PDT]

  • 06.15.2012 1:38 PM PDT

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Yes to the first gen Spartan 3s. They died in whatever Op that was. The second gen had two survivors and I believe NOBLE team is composed of gen-2 S-3s and the third generation is still on Onyx when the planet awakens.

[Edited on 06.15.2012 1:41 PM PDT]

  • 06.15.2012 1:40 PM PDT

Alpha Company died at K7-49, an asteroid used for ship building.

Beta Company died except fro Tom and Lucy at Pegasi Delta to stop refueling of Covenant warships.

Gamma Company was all away on an assignment except 3 squads who were doing top honors exercise.

Noble Team is consisted of Alpha and Beta Spartan III's and 1 Spartan II.

Just to clear up any confusion anyone has.

  • 06.15.2012 1:50 PM PDT

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