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Subject: Spartan IVs- What makes them different?

What makes these new spartans different from the other generations? Obviously they've got new armor, but that doesn't set them apart in the way that S-IIs and S-IIIs were different from each other. (S-IIIs for suicide missions, weaker; S-IIs built to last) What sets the S-IVs apart?

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No idea. I guess we will just have to wait until Halo 4 releases to find out.

  • 06.16.2012 9:55 PM PDT


Posted by: VANGUARD 003
What makes these new spartans different from the other generations? Obviously they've got new armor, but that doesn't set them apart in the way that S-IIs and S-IIIs were different from each other. (S-IIIs for suicide missions, weaker; S-IIs built to last) What sets the S-IVs apart?


False on S3's. They were made to be just as good as S2's, however ONI high command deemed them expendable (However, their trainers did not teach them with this mindset, or agreed with it), and sent them on super high risk mission without decent defensive gear.

The S4's supposedly, have fixed the problem of adults being augmented and dying horribly.

  • 06.16.2012 10:12 PM PDT

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This. The original Spartan program used adults, like Johnson, to be supersoldiers. It failed because the technology and medicine involved wasn't advanced enough. With the spartan II's and III's, they had to use children, who had perfect or near perfect genes, and years of heavy physical and mental training to prepare for it.

After the war, though, it's very possible that with help from the covenant, or just the fact that the UNSC isn't facing annihilation, they could have perfected the medicine and technology involved, so soldiers like marines and ODST's could be inducted into the program. Much more efficient and cost effective.
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Posted by: VANGUARD 003
What makes these new spartans different from the other generations? Obviously they've got new armor, but that doesn't set them apart in the way that S-IIs and S-IIIs were different from each other. (S-IIIs for suicide missions, weaker; S-IIs built to last) What sets the S-IVs apart?


False on S3's. They were made to be just as good as S2's, however ONI high command deemed them expendable (However, their trainers did not teach them with this mindset, or agreed with it), and sent them on super high risk mission without decent defensive gear.

The S4's supposedly, have fixed the problem of adults being augmented and dying horribly.

  • 06.17.2012 2:07 AM PDT

BE HUMAN

Fight for Earth. Fight for Humanity.

Spartan IV's are comprised of adult volunteers. Veterans of the Human/Covenant war, such as ODST's and Marines. Also, some Spartan III's are being made into/training Spartan IV's.

Spartan IV's don't have the intense augmentations of the Spartan II's or III's, so they have a weaker version of MJOLNIR. But they all have it. No SPI.

They are trained and even created on the UNSC Infinity. Also, there numbers are in the high thousands. Which fulfilled the wish of Colonel Ackerson who wanted hundreds of thousands of super soldiers to fight the Covenant.

  • 06.17.2012 5:46 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: crazyfoomandude
Spartan IV's are comprised of adult volunteers. Veterans of the Human/Covenant war, such as ODST's and Marines. Also, some Spartan III's are being made into/training Spartan IV's.

Spartan IV's don't have the intense augmentations of the Spartan II's or III's, so they have a weaker version of MJOLNIR. But they all have it. No SPI.

They are trained and even created on the UNSC Infinity. Also, there numbers are in the high thousands. Which fulfilled the wish of Colonel Ackerson who wanted hundreds of thousands of super soldiers to fight the Covenant.

Most of this is wrong, I'm afraid.

SPARTAN-IVs are augmented, but we dont know how yet. That MJOLNIR is not weaker, it's just lighter due to improvements in the technology behind it (it's MJOLNIR GEN2, whereas the SPARTAN-IIs have been using MJOLNIR GEN1).

The SPARTAN-IVs are not created on the Infinity, they are merely stationed there. They are made from the absolute best ODST/special forces UNSC soldiers, and this does not allow for thousands of them. It allows for maybe more than hundred, sure, but not a thousand....

  • 06.17.2012 6:07 AM PDT


Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: crazyfoomandude
Spartan IV's are comprised of adult volunteers. Veterans of the Human/Covenant war, such as ODST's and Marines. Also, some Spartan III's are being made into/training Spartan IV's.

Spartan IV's don't have the intense augmentations of the Spartan II's or III's, so they have a weaker version of MJOLNIR. But they all have it. No SPI.

They are trained and even created on the UNSC Infinity. Also, there numbers are in the high thousands. Which fulfilled the wish of Colonel Ackerson who wanted hundreds of thousands of super soldiers to fight the Covenant.

Most of this is wrong, I'm afraid.

SPARTAN-IVs are augmented, but we dont know how yet. That MJOLNIR is not weaker, it's just lighter due to improvements in the technology behind it (it's MJOLNIR GEN2, whereas the SPARTAN-IIs have been using MJOLNIR GEN1).

The SPARTAN-IVs are not created on the Infinity, they are merely stationed there. They are made from the absolute best ODST/special forces UNSC soldiers, and this does not allow for thousands of them. It allows for maybe more than hundred, sure, but not a thousand....


We don't know any more about the exact number of IV's than we do the procedures for augmenting them, and so can say just as much about it: nothing.

Exactly what was required to be accepted as a Spartan IV once you applied (or did they ask?) we don't know. What constitutes "the best?".

  • 06.17.2012 6:41 AM PDT

The whole GEN2 MJOLNIR is stupid IMO.

Why? Cause it conjures to mind two options.

A: It's MJOLNIR Mark 2.
or B: It's better then the original MJOLNIR series, including Mark 6.

Not what I think actually it stands for as in "It's kinda along the same lines, but really is it's own tree with it's own advantages and disadvantages. But the Mark 6 is still great."

Especially since apparently, Mark 7 MJOLNIR and this "Gen2" armor are being made at same time...

  • 06.17.2012 6:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The whole GEN2 MJOLNIR is stupid IMO.

Why? Cause it conjures to mind two options.

A: It's MJOLNIR Mark 2.
or B: It's better then the original MJOLNIR series, including Mark 6.

Not what I think actually it stands for as in "It's kinda along the same lines, but really is it's own tree with it's own advantages and disadvantages. But the Mark 6 is still great."

Especially since apparently, Mark 7 MJOLNIR and this "Gen2" armor are being made at same time...
Alternatively, despite the fact that MJOLNIR I-VI was developed over 25+ years, it could be seen as the "first generation," built using the same sort of design philosophy as it's predecessors.

GEN2 may be built with a different mindset, using highly advanced light materials as opposed to titanium plating, making use of nanotechnology, incorporating reverse-engineered Forerunner tech akin to the Infinity's slipspace drive, etc.

  • 06.17.2012 7:49 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


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Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: crazyfoomandude
Spartan IV's are comprised of adult volunteers. Veterans of the Human/Covenant war, such as ODST's and Marines. Also, some Spartan III's are being made into/training Spartan IV's.

Spartan IV's don't have the intense augmentations of the Spartan II's or III's, so they have a weaker version of MJOLNIR. But they all have it. No SPI.

They are trained and even created on the UNSC Infinity. Also, there numbers are in the high thousands. Which fulfilled the wish of Colonel Ackerson who wanted hundreds of thousands of super soldiers to fight the Covenant.

Most of this is wrong, I'm afraid.

SPARTAN-IVs are augmented, but we dont know how yet. That MJOLNIR is not weaker, it's just lighter due to improvements in the technology behind it (it's MJOLNIR GEN2, whereas the SPARTAN-IIs have been using MJOLNIR GEN1).

The SPARTAN-IVs are not created on the Infinity, they are merely stationed there. They are made from the absolute best ODST/special forces UNSC soldiers, and this does not allow for thousands of them. It allows for maybe more than hundred, sure, but not a thousand....


We don't know any more about the exact number of IV's than we do the procedures for augmenting them, and so can say just as much about it: nothing.

Exactly what was required to be accepted as a Spartan IV once you applied (or did they ask?) we don't know. What constitutes "the best?".

What consitutes the best? I can't pretend to know, but I'd assume that they must fulfill strict criteria, maybe such as:

- Age between 22-30, perhaps. You don't want SPARTAN-IVs starting service above 30 or it's a waste of time; below 22, they don't have a chance of having enough combat experience, assuming one signs up at 18 years old.
- Enough combat experience, so pretty much only recruiting from special ops groups. You want your candidates to have an elite background so that you might only have to do 1 or 2 additional years of Spartan training before augmentation.
- Good genetic matches; you might as well pick the soldiers who tick all the right boxes ticked.

Just theorising of course, but that's how I imagine it to be.

  • 06.17.2012 8:55 AM PDT

Volunteers free will like ORIONs otherwise known as SPARTAN Is in MINJOR

  • 06.17.2012 12:37 PM PDT

Where did you guys find that Spartan IVs are adult volunteers? I believe it, I'm just curious cuz I haven't seen it anywhere. (And thanks for the responses btw lol)

EDIT: Whoops! Never mind. Just looked it up on Halo Nation. Still gotta read Glasslands

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Posted by: crazyfoomandude
Spartan IV's don't have the intense augmentations of the Spartan II's or III's, so they have a weaker version of MJOLNIR. But they all have it. No SPI.


Wrong. To order to wear MJOLNIR, they have to be augmented. That is point of using MJOLNIR! Dr. Halsey commented that only Spartans CAN USE IT, period. I need a citation stating that MJOLNIR GEN2 being weaker due to being "lightweight" despite in Glasslands showed that Naomi-010 received MJOLNIR Mark VII, which it is lightweight.

They are trained and even created on the UNSC Infinity. Also, there numbers are in the high thousands. Which fulfilled the wish of Colonel Ackerson who wanted hundreds of thousands of super soldiers to fight the Covenant.

All grounds on you just said is wrong. WRONG!

Nowhere in Glasslands or Halo canon says that. It only said that SPARTAN-IVs were assigned to UNSC Infinity. Please, learn to have some reading comprehensions since you seem to lack the ability to read.

[Edited on 06.18.2012 12:49 AM PDT]

  • 06.18.2012 12:47 AM PDT


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Posted by: crazyfoomandude
Spartan IV's don't have the intense augmentations of the Spartan II's or III's, so they have a weaker version of MJOLNIR. But they all have it. No SPI.


Wrong. To order to wear MJOLNIR, they have to be augmented. That is point of using MJOLNIR! Dr. Halsey commented that only Spartans CAN USE IT, period. I need a citation stating that MJOLNIR GEN2 being weaker due to being "lightweight" despite in Glasslands showed that Naomi-010 received MJOLNIR Mark VII, which it is lightweight.

They are trained and even created on the UNSC Infinity. Also, there numbers are in the high thousands. Which fulfilled the wish of Colonel Ackerson who wanted hundreds of thousands of super soldiers to fight the Covenant.

All grounds on you just said is wrong. WRONG!

Nowhere in Glasslands or Halo canon says that. It only said that SPARTAN-IVs were assigned to UNSC Infinity. Please, learn to have some reading comprehensions since you seem to lack the ability to read.


Gen2 and Mark VII as I've read, are stated as two COMPLETELY different armor systems.

Not "Oh, this one has thinner plates, but camo!", completely, and utterly different. Like MJOLNIR armor and SPI.

Likewise, I'm going to point out to you we have no idea if Gen2 requires augmentations to wear or not. It could be power armor that is useable by slightly augmented, but trained marine instead of require the list of augments S2's and S3's got.


This isn't the case of Halo Reach, were people tried saying the entire armor was "Mark V(B)", when only the helm was. Gen2 is a completely new line of armor separate from Mark V-VII and so on.

  • 06.18.2012 4:48 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: crazyfoomandude
Spartan IV's don't have the intense augmentations of the Spartan II's or III's, so they have a weaker version of MJOLNIR. But they all have it. No SPI.


Wrong. To order to wear MJOLNIR, they have to be augmented. That is point of using MJOLNIR! Dr. Halsey commented that only Spartans CAN USE IT, period. I need a citation stating that MJOLNIR GEN2 being weaker due to being "lightweight" despite in Glasslands showed that Naomi-010 received MJOLNIR Mark VII, which it is lightweight.

They are trained and even created on the UNSC Infinity. Also, there numbers are in the high thousands. Which fulfilled the wish of Colonel Ackerson who wanted hundreds of thousands of super soldiers to fight the Covenant.

All grounds on you just said is wrong. WRONG!

Nowhere in Glasslands or Halo canon says that. It only said that SPARTAN-IVs were assigned to UNSC Infinity. Please, learn to have some reading comprehensions since you seem to lack the ability to read.


Gen2 and Mark VII as I've read, are stated as two COMPLETELY different armor systems.

Not "Oh, this one has thinner plates, but camo!", completely, and utterly different. Like MJOLNIR armor and SPI.

Likewise, I'm going to point out to you we have no idea if Gen2 requires augmentations to wear or not. It could be power armor that is useable by slightly augmented, but trained marine instead of require the list of augments S2's and S3's got.


This isn't the case of Halo Reach, were people tried saying the entire armor was "Mark V(B)", when only the helm was. Gen2 is a completely new line of armor separate from Mark V-VII and so on.


Where does it actually say that Mk. VII and Gen 2 are two different armor systems? A few posts above theorized that Gen 2 armors are built with different, more lightweight materials, such as nonotechnology like the Mk. VII was. All other previous iterations were built with titanium, the first generation. Gen 2 is built with more advanced material, like Mk VII.

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Posted by: crazyfoomandude
Spartan IV's are comprised of adult volunteers. Veterans of the Human/Covenant war, such as ODST's and Marines. Also, some Spartan III's are being made into/training Spartan IV's.

Spartan IV's don't have the intense augmentations of the Spartan II's or III's, so they have a weaker version of MJOLNIR. But they all have it. No SPI.

They are trained and even created on the UNSC Infinity. Also, there numbers are in the high thousands. Which fulfilled the wish of Colonel Ackerson who wanted hundreds of thousands of super soldiers to fight the Covenant.

Most of this is wrong, I'm afraid.

SPARTAN-IVs are augmented, but we dont know how yet. That MJOLNIR is not weaker, it's just lighter due to improvements in the technology behind it (it's MJOLNIR GEN2, whereas the SPARTAN-IIs have been using MJOLNIR GEN1).

The SPARTAN-IVs are not created on the Infinity, they are merely stationed there. They are made from the absolute best ODST/special forces UNSC soldiers, and this does not allow for thousands of them. It allows for maybe more than hundred, sure, but not a thousand....



You're actually wrong about the armor.


The lightweight armor is probably more useful to the SIVs because they don't have the surgical bone grafts that the SIIs did. When Master Chief first put on the MJOLNIR suit, his arm was bruised badly, even after the life threatening bone grafting he received.



Perhaps the SIV augmentation is more lightweight, which means lighter armor would be more beneficial to the (weaker) Spartan IVs.


Just a thought....




And the intent is for thousands of SIV soldiers. Sure, maybe there are only a hundred or so at Halo 4, but Colonel Ackerson himself even said in Ghosts of Onyx that the SIII program would be a stepping stone to one day having 20 000 Spartan soldiers on the ground (don't believe, go read Ghosts of Onyx).

  • 06.27.2012 5:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: crazyfoomandude
Spartan IV's don't have the intense augmentations of the Spartan II's or III's, so they have a weaker version of MJOLNIR. But they all have it. No SPI.


Wrong. To order to wear MJOLNIR, they have to be augmented. That is point of using MJOLNIR! Dr. Halsey commented that only Spartans CAN USE IT, period. I need a citation stating that MJOLNIR GEN2 being weaker due to being "lightweight" despite in Glasslands showed that Naomi-010 received MJOLNIR Mark VII, which it is lightweight.

They are trained and even created on the UNSC Infinity. Also, there numbers are in the high thousands. Which fulfilled the wish of Colonel Ackerson who wanted hundreds of thousands of super soldiers to fight the Covenant.

All grounds on you just said is wrong. WRONG!

Nowhere in Glasslands or Halo canon says that. It only said that SPARTAN-IVs were assigned to UNSC Infinity. Please, learn to have some reading comprehensions since you seem to lack the ability to read.


Gen2 and Mark VII as I've read, are stated as two COMPLETELY different armor systems.

Not "Oh, this one has thinner plates, but camo!", completely, and utterly different. Like MJOLNIR armor and SPI.

Likewise, I'm going to point out to you we have no idea if Gen2 requires augmentations to wear or not. It could be power armor that is useable by slightly augmented, but trained marine instead of require the list of augments S2's and S3's got.


This isn't the case of Halo Reach, were people tried saying the entire armor was "Mark V(B)", when only the helm was. Gen2 is a completely new line of armor separate from Mark V-VII and so on.
Interesting. So you're proposing that GEN 2 is like Iron Man armour, but requires "watered down" augments? GEN 2 being like Iron Man armour in that it doesn't require any radical changes to the user...

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There already is a post about this.

  • 06.27.2012 10:47 PM PDT

spartan IVs are handpicked military veterans who are capable of going through physical augmentation.

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Posted by: corvetteguy13
spartan IVs are handpicked military veterans who are capable of going through physical augmentation.
No. They are hand picked elite soldiers who caught the eye of many that become augmented with "watered-down" augmentations, and can equip a MJOLNIR suit that does not need a fully augmented soldier to operate it.

II's and III's personally are better trained than the IV's. The IV's haven't prepared for these tasks. They were immediately given their augmentations. Much like the II's and III's whom trained at young age, have no fears and breath tactics and battle like it's their DNA.

  • 06.28.2012 3:51 PM PDT

Strength And Honour

Spartan 2's were chosen from children who were extremly genetically gifted,a very rare genetic profile. Spartan 3's were chosen from a much wider less stringent gene pool because of the need to produce lots of them in the quickest time possible knowing that lots would be lost in the field, S3's were a cheaper option, although they were augmented much the same as the S2's an added gene therapy made them able to last longer when mortaly wounded but being as the S2's have much superior genetics i would think they have the edge on the S3's.
The Spartan 4's are chosen as adults from current UNSC soldiers and also augmented however they would thus not have the intensive training from being a child nor the superior genetics of a Spartan 2 although its more than likely that at least a few S4's would be of equal genetic potential of an S3 as they were chosen from a much wider gene pool. What this means is that Master Chief is still the DADDY : )

  • 07.17.2012 6:28 PM PDT

there different becase there better

  • 07.19.2012 2:16 AM PDT

Posted by: corvetteguy13
spartan IVs are handpicked military veterans who are capable of going through physical augmentation.
Is that in Glasslands?

  • 07.19.2012 2:55 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


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Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: crazyfoomandude
Spartan IV's are comprised of adult volunteers. Veterans of the Human/Covenant war, such as ODST's and Marines. Also, some Spartan III's are being made into/training Spartan IV's.

Spartan IV's don't have the intense augmentations of the Spartan II's or III's, so they have a weaker version of MJOLNIR. But they all have it. No SPI.

They are trained and even created on the UNSC Infinity. Also, there numbers are in the high thousands. Which fulfilled the wish of Colonel Ackerson who wanted hundreds of thousands of super soldiers to fight the Covenant.

Most of this is wrong, I'm afraid.

SPARTAN-IVs are augmented, but we dont know how yet. That MJOLNIR is not weaker, it's just lighter due to improvements in the technology behind it (it's MJOLNIR GEN2, whereas the SPARTAN-IIs have been using MJOLNIR GEN1).

The SPARTAN-IVs are not created on the Infinity, they are merely stationed there. They are made from the absolute best ODST/special forces UNSC soldiers, and this does not allow for thousands of them. It allows for maybe more than hundred, sure, but not a thousand....



You're actually wrong about the armor.


The lightweight armor is probably more useful to the SIVs because they don't have the surgical bone grafts that the SIIs did. When Master Chief first put on the MJOLNIR suit, his arm was bruised badly, even after the life threatening bone grafting he received.



Perhaps the SIV augmentation is more lightweight, which means lighter armor would be more beneficial to the (weaker) Spartan IVs.


Just a thought....




And the intent is for thousands of SIV soldiers. Sure, maybe there are only a hundred or so at Halo 4, but Colonel Ackerson himself even said in Ghosts of Onyx that the SIII program would be a stepping stone to one day having 20 000 Spartan soldiers on the ground (don't believe, go read Ghosts of Onyx).

We don't know anything about the Spartan-IV augmentations, surgical carbide ossification might be one of the augments. You can't rule it out.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: VANGUARD 003
What makes these new spartans different from the other generations? Obviously they've got new armor, but that doesn't set them apart in the way that S-IIs and S-IIIs were different from each other. (S-IIIs for suicide missions, weaker; S-IIs built to last) What sets the S-IVs apart?


False on S3's. They were made to be just as good as S2's, however ONI high command deemed them expendable (However, their trainers did not teach them with this mindset, or agreed with it), and sent them on super high risk mission without decent defensive gear.

The S4's supposedly, have fixed the problem of adults being augmented and dying horribly.


Basically Spartan IVs are what Orion was supposed to be, or as I call it, the evolution of ODSTs.

  • 07.19.2012 11:23 AM PDT

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