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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The only thing that is going to make them different is the amount of tech support they will be getting.

  • 07.19.2012 11:26 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
The only thing that is going to make them different is the amount of tech support they will be getting.

We don't know that yet.

  • 07.19.2012 7:46 PM PDT

He's right on top of us! I wonder if he is using the same wind we are using...

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Taken from http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN_Program

The SPARTAN-IV Program

The SPARTAN-IV Program was initiated by Admiral Margaret O. Parangosky after the Human-Covenant war. Instead of kidnapping young children to serve as SPARTANs, the IVs are volunteers from different branches of the military. Some are stationed near the UNSC Infinity in the Oort Cloud. Spartan IVs also wear variants of their orginal armour meaning they most likely also have their own Armoury.

  • 07.19.2012 10:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: grey101
The only thing that is going to make them different is the amount of tech support they will be getting.

We don't know that yet.


Yes we do they have gotten far more technology support and assets than the other programs.

  • 07.20.2012 4:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: grey101
Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: grey101
The only thing that is going to make them different is the amount of tech support they will be getting.

We don't know that yet.


Yes we do they have gotten far more technology support and assets than the other programs.


Quality of the augmentations won't be the same compared to the previous classes.

  • 07.20.2012 6:18 AM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: grey101
Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: grey101
The only thing that is going to make them different is the amount of tech support they will be getting.

We don't know that yet.


Yes we do they have gotten far more technology support and assets than the other programs.


Quality of the augmentations won't be the same compared to the previous classes.
That's not for sure but it seems like it.


No genetic markers, and these soldiers aren't in PEAK physical condition like previous Spartan classes were. These soldiers are fit no doubt, but they haven't been training since they were six. The new MJOLNIR is lightweight, which makes it easier for them to wear. Of course the real test would be a Spartan IV trying to wear Mark V or VI.

  • 07.20.2012 6:46 AM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Spartan-IIs are the legendary super-soldiers who were selected/abducted based on genetic superiority and intelligence. Given the best training offered and grew up in groups together. They were to be the best soldiers humanity had to offer.

Spartan-IIIs-Were generally orphan candidates who chose to become Spartans, they were given similar augmentations and the genetic markers in these candidates were hit or miss therefore most were not genetically superior. They were to be used to be in large groups with large numbers on heavy suicide missions. The exception lies in Headhunters and Noble team etc. They were raised and trained under similar training the S-IIs received thus they also grew up in groups. Due to the large cost, SPI armour was used as part of cuts in saving from MJOLNIR and the stealth emphasis.

Spartan-IV-Special veterans of the UNSC who are given everything if not more the other Spartans need. Due to the now unlimited resources the UNSC holds. MJOLNIR can be produced and given to non-spartans and therefore makes them SPARTAN-IVs. I'm sure they go through augmentation to receive this.

I think the real difference in S-II/III to S-IV is that these spartans were trained from childhood under similar circumstances, they share a bond with the other SPARTANS who have been under similar backgrounds. In a sense they view each other as each others family. In Ghost of Onyx it was so important that that symbolism remained. That these Spartan-IIIs were still Spartans as well which is arguably the reason Kurt died in the state he did.

Therefore there is this next level of pressure to do better for each other because they really care about each other. Something SPARTANs don't really feel for other Units. This was due to the circumstance and bonds they had growing up.

S-IVs don't have that and they never will. That's the tragedy of the Spartan program. Not that the S-IVs don't care about each other. It's because they're there own people. Individuals who get pulled together. SPARTANS were always brothers and sisters. S-IVS are not.

In the novels they show a great deal about how much each SPARTAN really cares for another which was why GoO was so particular during the last section of the novel, to get Blue Team [The original S-II only team] to accept S-IIIs and treat them with the same level of respect as the S-IIs. Kurt helped solidify that bond.


But whatever. S-IVs woot woot. I don't really care anymore, the Halo series has a new agenda now, one that doesn't fit in with the old one in my opinion. S-Vs, S-VIs. Halo 5, Halo 6. Mech assault mark V2. Mech Hunters, Gravemind superships. they could add whatever and I wouldn't care to appreciate the notion behind it anymore.

  • 07.20.2012 7:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: grey101
The only thing that is going to make them different is the amount of tech support they will be getting.

We don't know that yet.


Yes we do they have gotten far more technology support and assets than the other programs.

grey, you're back! :O

And yeah, MJOLNIR GEN2 seems to have tons of support from what we see even in gameplay of Halo 4 (all those support/tactical upgrade things and armour abilities)

  • 07.20.2012 8:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I will never leave i don't see why people get so astonished, but it was well met nontheless.

  • 07.20.2012 9:39 AM PDT

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Spartan-IV-Special veterans of the UNSC who are given everything if not more the other Spartans need. Due to the now unlimited resources the UNSC holds. MJOLNIR can be produced and given to non-spartans and therefore makes them SPARTAN-IVs. I'm sure they go through augmentation to receive this.
Lol. The UNSC is left with basically NO resources after the Human Covenant war. A lot of planets, and therefore resources, got glassed.

That's my problem with Halo 4's new technology. Where the -blam!- are they getting it from. It just seems like ONI is pulling stuff out of their ass.

  • 07.20.2012 9:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The technology doesn't bother me as much as the timeframe and lack of funds do. So glasslands makes halsey to be a monster yet ONI tells her they don't have the money for anymore armor despite building the pointless infinity in the oort cloud.

  • 07.20.2012 9:56 AM PDT


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Posted by: ninjakenzen
Spartan-IV-Special veterans of the UNSC who are given everything if not more the other Spartans need. Due to the now unlimited resources the UNSC holds. MJOLNIR can be produced and given to non-spartans and therefore makes them SPARTAN-IVs. I'm sure they go through augmentation to receive this.
Lol. The UNSC is left with basically NO resources after the Human Covenant war. A lot of planets, and therefore resources, got glassed.

That's my problem with Halo 4's new technology. Where the -blam!- are they getting it from. It just seems like ONI is pulling stuff out of their ass.


Until you can cite a detailed source that explains in full the exact economic situation of the UNSC post-war--specifically, how ONI operates its projects, what they can and cannot do, what special privilages are allowed to them and so on--nobody, anywhere, can say what the UNSC can and cannot achieve, as we know literally nothing about anything regarding their economic status other than "it got worse". Otherwise, you're just pulling information out of your ass.

The only basis we can run on in figuring this stuff out is what they obviously can achieve. And clearly, they have the resources to create a cheaper Spartan IV program. No one ever said they didn't, except for some fans who think they know more than they really do. The Infinity I'll just say was being built for 20 years, so not finishing it would be economically retarded, amounting to flushing all the new tech and credits that went into that tech down the can.

  • 07.20.2012 10:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

It was made clear in glasslands that the economy's of both factions were wrecked and they were both struggling to get back to normal. not to mention it is common sense that after near 30 years of a war you were losing that your economy would be shot.


It was economically retarded to waste such resources on a ship in the first place that never even took part in the war. The UNSC could have had a dozen fleets for what the infinity probably cost.

  • 07.20.2012 10:09 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
It was made clear in glasslands that the economy's of both factions were wrecked and they were both struggling to get back to normal. not to mention it is common sense that after near 30 years of a war you were losing that your economy would be shot.


It was economically retarded to waste such resources on a ship in the first place that never even took part in the war. The UNSC could have had a dozen fleets for what the infinity probably cost.
Thank you. There's your proof sir who believes that the UNSC has money to spare.

  • 07.20.2012 10:12 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
It was made clear in glasslands that the economy's of both factions were wrecked and they were both struggling to get back to normal. not to mention it is common sense that after near 30 years of a war you were losing that your economy would be shot.


It was economically retarded to waste such resources on a ship in the first place that never even took part in the war. The UNSC could have had a dozen fleets for what the infinity probably cost.


It was to work as a new base of operations should earth fall. They built more a failsafe rather than just a really big ship. It also was a tech tester for all the new alien stuff that was rolling in over the years. What would you have had them do? Not have a contingency plan and allow the military to collapse if earth fell? It was a risk assesment, and they noticed all of their eggs were in one basket. Obviously the economy was better at the time 20 years ago, and they knew full well that conventional military couldn't hold off the Covenant for very long. Cole may have been raking in victories, but the flip side to that is the dozens of ships and thousands of casualties in every battle. Every victory was pyrrhic. It was only a matter of time before they couldn't put out ships fast enough to fight them, and earth would inevitably collapse.

Putting more money into a fleet in the long run would be pointless; the UNSC needed an ace in the hole, and that was Infinity. They built themselves a back door, a way out when--and it was no question a when--the Covenant destroyed earth. They could use Infinity to take the fight to the shadows, always on the move. Infinity is a super-warship, technology research laboratory, military HQ, army carrier, and military training ground all at the same time, not just a powerful ship. ONI couldn't count on a giant holy space ring dismantling all the Covenant fought for. Halo saved mankind, and were it not for the Rings, the war could have dragged for decades more, slowly leaching the life out of humanity, especially now that Cole was gone. No matter how many victories Cole brought in, he was only fighting the inevitable.

Yes, 30 years later the economy would suck, but in comparison to what? The UEG's economy was shot only in comparison to itself, we can't accurately meassure what they can and can't do with an unfleshed out fictional economy that sucks relevant to itself thirty years prior. Like I said, all we know is "it got worse."

Otherwise, I'd like a quote from the book.

  • 07.20.2012 10:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

can you source anything about it being a fall back? because if you can't then you are just speculating not that it even makes it more logical since that is just as stupid. The spartan VI's being around don't support this either since they had planned to create more which they wouldn't have been able to if it was just a fail back.

The issue with that assumption is that the war was also one of attrition due to the covenant troops losing moral over a long period of time. I have no doubts that earth would have been found regardless but the covenant still would have been fractured and that would have gave the UNSC a fighting chance with the fleets they could have been using instead of the infinity.


Too bad the infinity is ONI not the UNSC it is just under that label like the spartan program.All you are doing is trying to excuse ONI's gross misuse of funds which could be used for better efforts.

How was the UEG economy shot and when was that ever even brought up? so you mean to tell me that you can't understand why and how the economy would be devastated when Earth is in ruins,planets are out of communication, rebels are on the rise, the UNSC is at it's lowest point since formation,etc? you seriously knew and understand all of that information and don't see that the economy is shot?


I wan't quotes from you also. Even the summary of the friggin book supports this.


Though the Covenant has collapsed, humanity's war is far from over...
"The galaxy is in chaos. The aftermath of a star-spanning war has left everything in doubt - and the ruins of two once-mighty civilizations teetering on the brink of collapse. From this chaos, new adversaries will emerge, including a cruel and dangerous organization bent on exploiting the still-fresh passions and prejudices of the war for its own gain (and that's just on the human side).

The Covenant-that-was, a seething mixture of religious zealotry and rival alien species, is trying to regain its primacy and find a new path back to its former glory."



That shows clearly that the economy isn't as stable as you are trying to make it seem not to mention ONI is the one profiting and using all of the money that could be used for rebuilding.



Before i even whip out quotes as i always do and are known for doing i wish you to do so because everytime i or anyone else does so with you a response does not come.

  • 07.20.2012 10:46 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
can you source anything about it being a fall back? because if you can't then you are just speculating not that it even makes it more logical since that is just as stupid. The spartan VI's being around don't support this either since they had planned to create more which they wouldn't have been able to if it was just a fail back.

It's in Glasslands somewhere, give me a bit.

But what does additional Spartans being on Infinty have anything to do with it being a fall back? We've known since Ghosts of Onyx that the Spartan program was going to expand to a more mainstream role. If they use the Infinity as the base of operations for the IV's, who cares? How does more Spartans have anything to do with Infinity's purpose?


The issue with that assumption is that the war was also one of attrition due to the covenant troops losing moral over a long period of time. I have no doubts that earth would have been found regardless but the covenant still would have been fractured and that would have gave the UNSC a fighting chance with the fleets they could have been using instead of the infinity.

Why would they have collapsed? For the most part we were seen as unholy abominations not deserving of life throughout the entire war; the only thing that caused the Covies to collapse was Halo's destruction, and Regret being assassinated. Morale started dropping with Halo, nothing else. ONI knew nothing about what might cause them to fall apart, or the status of their morale. Really the only thing that they knew about the Covenant's structure is that they were a crazed religious hegemony lead by these guys called Prophets. ONI didn't know anything else. As far as they were concerned, the Covenant were going to keep at it until they bled us dry.

To be totally honest I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Nothing suggested the Covies were going to fall apart before Halo. They gladly butchered us for decades and all signs pointed to more butchering.



Too bad the infinity is ONI not the UNSC it is just under that label like the spartan program.All you are doing is trying to excuse ONI's gross misuse of funds which could be used for better efforts.

Again, I'll post this and find the conversation later--I do need to be somewhere soon, I am going out, but I'll get back--but the UNSC was going to fall. They couldn't count on Halo, they couldn't count on a sudden religious uprising resulting in their collapse. The ONLY thing they knew was that they were not going to stop, and that nothing was going to work on them. Ships were dropping like flies, so what do you do when nothing works? Just keep throwing the same stuff that didn't work before at them over and over and hope something chyanges? That's tactical suicide. They NEEDED a way out.

How was the UEG economy shot and when was that ever even brought up? so you mean to tell me that you can't understand why and how the economy would be devastated when Earth is in ruins,planets are out of communication, rebels are on the rise, the UNSC is at it's lowest point since formation,etc? you seriously knew and understand all of that information and don't see that the economy is shot?

I know the economy situation is bad, obviously. But there is still an economy--if there wasn't, then there'd be no UEG--and just exactly functional or not that economy is, is unknown. We don't know what's changed in the last 5 years, we don't know what was already being funded and so on. What we DO know, is that the Spartan IV program was in the planning stages as far back as Ghosts of Onyx, as Ackerson's initial Spartan III plan.

But as a side note, what I also noticed is that nobody started complaining about new stuff until 343i took over. No one brought up MJOLNIR Mk. 6 or Mk. 5 armors being deployed a year apart, and in both cases right at about the same time that the economy was still sucking. Not until 343i took over did anyone care about the economic ramifications of MJOLNIR armor. Why is that? Little changed. The Covies only attacked very select parts of earth--it is in no way "in ruins" as you seem to think. They were digging for the Ark, not destroying infrastructure or targeting banks. Obviously there was collateral, but that wasn't their focus. Especially not anywhere aside from select locations.

Not much, just an observation.


I wan't quotes from you also. Even the summary of the friggin book supports this.


Though the Covenant has collapsed, humanity's war is far from over...
"The galaxy is in chaos. The aftermath of a star-spanning war has left everything in doubt - and the ruins of two once-mighty civilizations teetering on the brink of collapse. From this chaos, new adversaries will emerge, including a cruel and dangerous organization bent on exploiting the still-fresh passions and prejudices of the war for its own gain (and that's just on the human side).

The Covenant-that-was, a seething mixture of religious zealotry and rival alien species, is trying to regain its primacy and find a new path back to its former glory."



That shows clearly that the economy isn't as stable as you are trying to make it seem not to mention ONI is the one profiting and using all of the money that could be used for rebuilding.



Before i even whip out quotes as i always do and are known for doing i wish you to do so because everytime i or anyone else does so with you a response does not come.

Like I said, I'll find the quote later. In the mean time, I'll be out.

[Edited on 07.20.2012 11:28 AM PDT]

  • 07.20.2012 11:25 AM PDT

-Dead Orbit..

spartan IV's

1)some were spartan III's
2)they don't start at a young age. they are just recruited like the spartan I program
3)advanced armor
4)armor is compatible with forerunner tech.

  • 07.20.2012 11:35 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: grey101
The issue with that assumption is that the war was also one of attrition due to the covenant troops losing moral over a long period of time. I have no doubts that earth would have been found regardless but the covenant still would have been fractured and that would have gave the UNSC a fighting chance with the fleets they could have been using instead of the infinity.

Why would they have collapsed? For the most part we were seen as unholy abominations not deserving of life throughout the entire war; the only thing that caused the Covies to collapse was Halo's destruction, and Regret being assassinated. Morale started dropping with Halo, nothing else. ONI knew nothing about what might cause them to fall apart, or the status of their morale. Really the only thing that they knew about the Covenant's structure is that they were a crazed religious hegemony lead by these guys called Prophets. ONI didn't know anything else. As far as they were concerned, the Covenant were going to keep at it until they bled us dry.

To be totally honest I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Nothing suggested the Covies were going to fall apart before Halo. They gladly butchered us for decades and all signs pointed to more butchering.
Actually humans were noticing that there something odd between Elites and Brutes.

In the Headhunters story, one Spartan says to another "Who's running the show? Apes or 'gators?" Then they go one to discuss how there is only ever one or the other. Their conversation goes along the lines of:

"Usually when one's around, the other isn't. Why?"

"I guess they don't like each other."

OF COURSE, these are not quotes, just the gist of the info. I'll try and find the quote later. Surely though if two Spartans could guess that there was some sort of divide between then ONI, the intelligence agency of humanity, would have at LEAST noticed that as well.

Also, when watching the Brute video on Halo Waypoint there is a scene of Buck on Earth seeing a bunch of dead Elites. He mentions this to Dare and asks if she knows anything about it. Dare, who is with ONI, responds along the lines of "That's classified intel". Which means that ONI knows something that regular soldier don't. Of course the player knows Brutes hate Elites, and it seems like ONI has, at the very least, guess that as well.

There were signs before the Great Schism that the Covenant wasn't as unified as it would be, and signs that ONI at least guessed what was going on.

Also...if the Infinity had been a fallback plan, tell me how ONE ship was going to destroy an alliance of aliens. It's part Forerunner, part human. I'm pretty sure at least 100 Covenant ships could take it out, considering they are probably on par with each other (Covenant technology being watered down Forerunner tech).

  • 07.20.2012 11:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: grey101
can you source anything about it being a fall back? because if you can't then you are just speculating not that it even makes it more logical since that is just as stupid. The spartan VI's being around don't support this either since they had planned to create more which they wouldn't have been able to if it was just a fail back.

It's in Glasslands somewhere, give me a bit.

But what does additional Spartans being on Infinty have anything to do with it being a fall back? We've known since Ghosts of Onyx that the Spartan program was going to expand to a more mainstream role. If they use the Infinity as the base of operations for the IV's, who cares? How does more Spartans have anything to do with Infinity's purpose?


The issue with that assumption is that the war was also one of attrition due to the covenant troops losing moral over a long period of time. I have no doubts that earth would have been found regardless but the covenant still would have been fractured and that would have gave the UNSC a fighting chance with the fleets they could have been using instead of the infinity.

Why would they have collapsed? For the most part we were seen as unholy abominations not deserving of life throughout the entire war; the only thing that caused the Covies to collapse was Halo's destruction, and Regret being assassinated. Morale started dropping with Halo, nothing else. ONI knew nothing about what might cause them to fall apart, or the status of their morale. Really the only thing that they knew about the Covenant's structure is that they were a crazed religious hegemony lead by these guys called Prophets. ONI didn't know anything else. As far as they were concerned, the Covenant were going to keep at it until they bled us dry.

To be totally honest I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Nothing suggested the Covies were going to fall apart before Halo. They gladly butchered us for decades and all signs pointed to more butchering.



Too bad the infinity is ONI not the UNSC it is just under that label like the spartan program.All you are doing is trying to excuse ONI's gross misuse of funds which could be used for better efforts.

Again, I'll post this and find the conversation later--I do need to be somewhere soon, I am going out, but I'll get back--but the UNSC was going to fall. They couldn't count on Halo, they couldn't count on a sudden religious uprising resulting in their collapse. The ONLY thing they knew was that they were not going to stop, and that nothing was going to work on them. Ships were dropping like flies, so what do you do when nothing works? Just keep throwing the same stuff that didn't work before at them over and over and hope something chyanges? That's tactical suicide. They NEEDED a way out.

How was the UEG economy shot and when was that ever even brought up? so you mean to tell me that you can't understand why and how the economy would be devastated when Earth is in ruins,planets are out of communication, rebels are on the rise, the UNSC is at it's lowest point since formation,etc? you seriously knew and understand all of that information and don't see that the economy is shot?

I know the economy situation is bad, obviously. But there is still an economy--if there wasn't, then there'd be no UEG--and just exactly functional or not that economy is, is unknown. We don't know what's changed in the last 5 years, we don't know what was already being funded and so on. What we DO know, is that the Spartan IV program was in the planning stages as far back as Ghosts of Onyx, as Ackerson's initial Spartan III plan.

But as a side note, what I also noticed is that nobody started complaining about new stuff until 343i took over. No one brought up MJOLNIR Mk. 6 or Mk. 5 armors being deployed a year apart, and in both cases right at about the same time that the economy was still sucking. Not until 343i took over did anyone care about the economic ramifications of MJOLNIR armor. Why is that? Little changed. The Covies only attacked very select parts of earth--it is in no way "in ruins" as you seem to think. They were digging for the Ark, not destroying infrastructure or targeting banks. Obviously there was collateral, but that wasn't their focus. Especially not anywhere aside from select locations.

Not much, just an observation.


I wan't quotes from you also. Even the summary of the friggin book supports this.


Though the Covenant has collapsed, humanity's war is far from over...
"The galaxy is in chaos. The aftermath of a star-spanning war has left everything in doubt - and the ruins of two once-mighty civilizations teetering on the brink of collapse. From this chaos, new adversaries will emerge, including a cruel and dangerous organization bent on exploiting the still-fresh passions and prejudices of the war for its own gain (and that's just on the human side).

The Covenant-that-was, a seething mixture of religious zealotry and rival alien species, is trying to regain its primacy and find a new path back to its former glory."



That shows clearly that the economy isn't as stable as you are trying to make it seem not to mention ONI is the one profiting and using all of the money that could be used for rebuilding.



Before i even whip out quotes as i always do and are known for doing i wish you to do so because everytime i or anyone else does so with you a response does not come.

Like I said, I'll find the quote later. In the mean time, I'll be out.




1. because if the infinity is going to be a fallback why would they bother creating another class of spartans and spending all this money on them instead of focusing on the fall back? spartans are useless in space no matter how much of a fantasy you make. I don't see the point of them making more spartan programs when they were sure they were going to end up running from the covenant.


2.There was friction between the brutes and elites during the entire war CotU even has two elites questioning the covenant and nothing of halo was brought up. I don't understand how you don't see that the covenant- a group that never before had to fight an enemy for as long and as hard wouldn't be losing moral during 30 years of fighting. in all honesty humans would have won regardless because we are too widespread to be hunted down to extinction.
Sure they would have attacked earth but they would never be able to wipe out enough of humanity to mean anything. I am positive that they would still be pissed to be fighting human remnants decades after they "won" which would have an affect on them as well.

3. You do understand that the infinity started on 10 years into the war right? you cannot judge that you will lose that early in a war because you would have been obliterated if that were to be true. so what exactly would the infinity be used for if it is some master fail back? it can't take on high charity and it's fleet alone so what exactly was the master plan?

It is clearly a warship so don't try any mess about it running around starting colonies off of the orion arm; because a fleet of phoenix glass ships or a huge mother ship would have been more efficient at that. so what was this "ace in the hole" to be used for and how? because it didn't even come to the battle of earth which would have been the best time for it's use and the perfect justification for it's construction.



Because we understand that Mark 5 was to have shields and house an AI. Other than that and minor improvements it was just mark IV, which had been in use for about 20 years so it is a no brainer they were working on other armors in that time.


4. You clearly haven't read uprising. they were attacking the entire planet just some key areas more than others. You are seriously telling me that they would devastate all other human planets save for our confirmed homeworld? brilliant.



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  • 07.21.2012 11:42 AM PDT

"We are the next generation of soldiers, an A.I built for war. We battle the darkness for humanity. We are the Caedus A.I"

I don't know much about the SPARTAN IV's except for:

1) They are UNSC veterans from the Marines and ODSTs who volunteered, rather than be conscripted when children.

2)They wear MJOLNIR-(Class)II armour.

3)The augmentation process were perfected with the SPARTAN-III's, explaining why a few or none of the III's and IV's washed out when augmented.

  • 07.21.2012 6:04 PM PDT

We'll all just have to wait for The Thursday War to have all this cleared up. It comes out in October right? I'm still disappointed by Glasslands; we were given so little info on the events of the previous book and what we got was a handful of biased first person perspectives on events that should have been explored in a much greater detail;

1)We still don't know what happened to S-3 Gamma Company. One would think it would be an important plot thread to be resolved considering they are a battle away from burning through their meds and turning into a psychotic nightmare for Humans and Covenant alike.

2)Shied World "Sharpened Shield" was an after thought. Turned out to be nothing more than an empty shell that was quickly ignored.

3)We still no pretty much nothing about the Infinity; when it was built, why it's so advanced and why it was never fielded in combat.

It just feels like the book was written not to resolve anything, but just as means to set up more questions to write another book. Even if that was the case Karin Travis could have thrown us a bone and answered some of those questions.

  • 07.21.2012 7:27 PM PDT

About me: I am a vicious wolf of a man.

But really am sweet at heart. =)

I can't remember where I heard it, but Spartan IVs are essentially adults selected from the highest performing special forces units in the UNSC, like ODSTs, NAVSPECWAR, etc, and chosen for their combat record, but also for their psyche profiles. All Spartan IVs have some sort of mental disorder so they can be mentally broken by ONI into the perfect soldier.

  • 07.21.2012 10:55 PM PDT

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