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Deva Path
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
We are all going to get banned aren't we?
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: grey101
can you source anything about it being a fall back? because if you can't then you are just speculating not that it even makes it more logical since that is just as stupid. The spartan VI's being around don't support this either since they had planned to create more which they wouldn't have been able to if it was just a fail back.
It's in Glasslands somewhere, give me a bit.
But what does additional Spartans being on Infinty have anything to do with it being a fall back? We've known since Ghosts of Onyx that the Spartan program was going to expand to a more mainstream role. If they use the Infinity as the base of operations for the IV's, who cares? How does more Spartans have anything to do with Infinity's purpose?
The issue with that assumption is that the war was also one of attrition due to the covenant troops losing moral over a long period of time. I have no doubts that earth would have been found regardless but the covenant still would have been fractured and that would have gave the UNSC a fighting chance with the fleets they could have been using instead of the infinity.
Why would they have collapsed? For the most part we were seen as unholy abominations not deserving of life throughout the entire war; the only thing that caused the Covies to collapse was Halo's destruction, and Regret being assassinated. Morale started dropping with Halo, nothing else. ONI knew nothing about what might cause them to fall apart, or the status of their morale. Really the only thing that they knew about the Covenant's structure is that they were a crazed religious hegemony lead by these guys called Prophets. ONI didn't know anything else. As far as they were concerned, the Covenant were going to keep at it until they bled us dry.
To be totally honest I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Nothing suggested the Covies were going to fall apart before Halo. They gladly butchered us for decades and all signs pointed to more butchering.
Too bad the infinity is ONI not the UNSC it is just under that label like the spartan program.All you are doing is trying to excuse ONI's gross misuse of funds which could be used for better efforts.
Again, I'll post this and find the conversation later--I do need to be somewhere soon, I am going out, but I'll get back--but the UNSC was going to fall. They couldn't count on Halo, they couldn't count on a sudden religious uprising resulting in their collapse. The ONLY thing they knew was that they were not going to stop, and that nothing was going to work on them. Ships were dropping like flies, so what do you do when nothing works? Just keep throwing the same stuff that didn't work before at them over and over and hope something chyanges? That's tactical suicide. They NEEDED a way out.
How was the UEG economy shot and when was that ever even brought up? so you mean to tell me that you can't understand why and how the economy would be devastated when Earth is in ruins,planets are out of communication, rebels are on the rise, the UNSC is at it's lowest point since formation,etc? you seriously knew and understand all of that information and don't see that the economy is shot?
I know the economy situation is bad, obviously. But there is still an economy--if there wasn't, then there'd be no UEG--and just exactly functional or not that economy is, is unknown. We don't know what's changed in the last 5 years, we don't know what was already being funded and so on. What we DO know, is that the Spartan IV program was in the planning stages as far back as Ghosts of Onyx, as Ackerson's initial Spartan III plan.
But as a side note, what I also noticed is that nobody started complaining about new stuff until 343i took over. No one brought up MJOLNIR Mk. 6 or Mk. 5 armors being deployed a year apart, and in both cases right at about the same time that the economy was still sucking. Not until 343i took over did anyone care about the economic ramifications of MJOLNIR armor. Why is that? Little changed. The Covies only attacked very select parts of earth--it is in no way "in ruins" as you seem to think. They were digging for the Ark, not destroying infrastructure or targeting banks. Obviously there was collateral, but that wasn't their focus. Especially not anywhere aside from select locations.
Not much, just an observation.
I wan't quotes from you also. Even the summary of the friggin book supports this.
Though the Covenant has collapsed, humanity's war is far from over...
"The galaxy is in chaos. The aftermath of a star-spanning war has left everything in doubt - and the ruins of two once-mighty civilizations teetering on the brink of collapse. From this chaos, new adversaries will emerge, including a cruel and dangerous organization bent on exploiting the still-fresh passions and prejudices of the war for its own gain (and that's just on the human side).
The Covenant-that-was, a seething mixture of religious zealotry and rival alien species, is trying to regain its primacy and find a new path back to its former glory."
That shows clearly that the economy isn't as stable as you are trying to make it seem not to mention ONI is the one profiting and using all of the money that could be used for rebuilding.
Before i even whip out quotes as i always do and are known for doing i wish you to do so because everytime i or anyone else does so with you a response does not come.
Like I said, I'll find the quote later. In the mean time, I'll be out.
1. because if the infinity is going to be a fallback why would they bother creating another class of spartans and spending all this money on them instead of focusing on the fall back? spartans are useless in space no matter how much of a fantasy you make. I don't see the point of them making more spartan programs when they were sure they were going to end up running from the covenant.
2.There was friction between the brutes and elites during the entire war CotU even has two elites questioning the covenant and nothing of halo was brought up. I don't understand how you don't see that the covenant- a group that never before had to fight an enemy for as long and as hard wouldn't be losing moral during 30 years of fighting. in all honesty humans would have won regardless because we are too widespread to be hunted down to extinction.
Sure they would have attacked earth but they would never be able to wipe out enough of humanity to mean anything. I am positive that they would still be pissed to be fighting human remnants decades after they "won" which would have an affect on them as well.
3. You do understand that the infinity started on 10 years into the war right? you cannot judge that you will lose that early in a war because you would have been obliterated if that were to be true. so what exactly would the infinity be used for if it is some master fail back? it can't take on high charity and it's fleet alone so what exactly was the master plan?
It is clearly a warship so don't try any mess about it running around starting colonies off of the orion arm; because a fleet of phoenix glass ships or a huge mother ship would have been more efficient at that. so what was this "ace in the hole" to be used for and how? because it didn't even come to the battle of earth which would have been the best time for it's use and the perfect justification for it's construction.
Because we understand that Mark 5 was to have shields and house an AI. Other than that and minor improvements it was just mark IV, which had been in use for about 20 years so it is a no brainer they were working on other armors in that time.
4. You clearly haven't read uprising. they were attacking the entire planet just some key areas more than others. You are seriously telling me that they would devastate all other human planets save for our confirmed homeworld? brilliant.