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Subject: Spartan IVs- What makes them different?
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Gottalovec4
I can't remember where I heard it, but Spartan IVs are essentially adults selected from the highest performing special forces units in the UNSC, like ODSTs, NAVSPECWAR, etc, and chosen for their combat record, but also for their psyche profiles. All Spartan IVs have some sort of mental disorder so they can be mentally broken by ONI into the perfect soldier.



They are volunteers and none of that psych crap is true.

  • 07.22.2012 6:14 AM PDT

I agree with Grey here. The last type of person you want to turn into a super soldier is someone that is easily psychologically breakable.

  • 07.22.2012 4:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

It is true that they are indoctrinated (as frankie said at comic con or somewhere) but that is all we know.

  • 07.22.2012 4:58 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: grey101
The only thing that is going to make them different is the amount of tech support they will be getting.

We don't know that yet.


Yes we do they have gotten far more technology support and assets than the other programs.


You still have no proof that it is the only thing. Link me to the quote saying that and I will back off, but until then you are incorrect.

[Edited on 07.22.2012 10:14 PM PDT]

  • 07.22.2012 10:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: grey101
The only thing that is going to make them different is the amount of tech support they will be getting.

We don't know that yet.


Yes we do they have gotten far more technology support and assets than the other programs.


You still have no proof that it is the only thing. Link me to the quote saying that and I will back off, but until then you are incorrect.


You can keep on me all night and it isn't going to change the logic behind it. The Spartan IV's are going to be augmented Adults which are known to the public. meaning they aren't going to give them the least amount of material and expect wonders nor will they treat them as cannon fodder.
Hence me saying they will be getting a good amount of tech support which you can clearly see by the advancements in Armor and the equipment they have.

How about you explain to me or link me other things the spartan IVs could possibly have.

  • 07.23.2012 11:09 AM PDT

GEN-2 may mean more along the lines of a V2 of MJOLNIR MK-VII. (Keep in mind there were two versions of MK-IV)

  • 07.23.2012 3:04 PM PDT


Posted by: crispychicken49
GEN-2 may mean more along the lines of a V2 of MJOLNIR MK-VII. (Keep in mind there were two versions of MK-IV)


This.

  • 07.27.2012 9:12 AM PDT

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Keep in mind, MJOLNIR GEN2 doesn't mean that it is weaker version of MJOLNIR unlike those idiots who claim that MJOLNIR Mark V used by Noble Team were weaker version of MJOLNIR.

MJOLNIR GEN 2 still requires augmentations to use MJOLNIR. And also, it's already established as fact that SPARTAN-III's bio-augmentations were superior to SPARTAN-II augmentations due to Kurt admitting that bio-augmentations were "quantum leap ahead" of his augmentations. It is highly possible that SPARTAN-IV would receive similar augmentations that SPARTAN-III received.

And yes, SPARTAN-IVs would get more support and technology. Did you did not notice that they received MJOLNIR sets and advanced weapons? Use your damn logic, ThePredkiller2.

[Edited on 07.27.2012 12:40 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2012 12:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: crazyfoomandude
Spartan IV's are comprised of adult volunteers. Veterans of the Human/Covenant war, such as ODST's and Marines.
After reading this I really hope Buck returns as a Spartan IV.

  • 07.27.2012 1:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Elder Bias
Keep in mind, MJOLNIR GEN2 doesn't mean that it is weaker version of MJOLNIR unlike those idiots who claim that MJOLNIR Mark V used by Noble Team were weaker version of MJOLNIR.

MJOLNIR GEN 2 still requires augmentations to use MJOLNIR. And also, it's already established as fact that SPARTAN-III's bio-augmentations were superior to SPARTAN-II augmentations due to Kurt admitting that bio-augmentations were "quantum leap ahead" of his augmentations. It is highly possible that SPARTAN-IV would receive similar augmentations that SPARTAN-III received.

And yes, SPARTAN-IVs would get more support and technology. Did you did not notice that they received MJOLNIR sets and advanced weapons? Use your damn logic, ThePredkiller2.


I agree with you on all accounts except the last sentence. You see, you misinterpreted what I was saying. Grey was saying that the only thing good about the S-IVs was that they were getting better tech support. What I said was he didn't know that because the game wasn't out yet.

Its kinda sad when one has to spell out a single sentence response to someone. Wow...

  • 07.27.2012 2:00 PM PDT

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I'm getting really sick of these generations of Spartans. Does it make sense to make more? Of course, the Spartans won the UNSC the war. But from a story perspective, they're just crushing the uniqueness of the Spartain-II's, who are the most important characters in the Halo universe.

I've been saying this a lot recently- By Halo 6 we will have the Spartan XX's, who are super advanced monkeys who were trained by the UNSC since birth. Aside from Tom and Lucy in the Halo novels, the S-III's have not made much of a contribution to the deeper story and are not enjoyable characters.

  • 07.27.2012 2:15 PM PDT


Posted by: farmerscott21
I'm getting really sick of these generations of Spartans. Does it make sense to make more? Of course, the Spartans won the UNSC the war. But from a story perspective, they're just crushing the uniqueness of the Spartain-II's, who are the most important characters in the Halo universe.

I've been saying this a lot recently- By Halo 6 we will have the Spartan XX's, who are super advanced monkeys who were trained by the UNSC since birth. Aside from Tom and Lucy in the Halo novels, the S-III's have not made much of a contribution to the deeper story and are not enjoyable characters.


Noble Team...

  • 07.27.2012 2:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: farmerscott21
I'm getting really sick of these generations of Spartans. Does it make sense to make more? Of course, the Spartans won the UNSC the war. But from a story perspective, they're just crushing the uniqueness of the Spartain-II's, who are the most important characters in the Halo universe.

I've been saying this a lot recently- By Halo 6 we will have the Spartan XX's, who are super advanced monkeys who were trained by the UNSC since birth. Aside from Tom and Lucy in the Halo novels, the S-III's have not made much of a contribution to the deeper story and are not enjoyable characters.


What the... so much wrong in this posts. I'm not going even to dignify the post to refute your claims because it's so much stupidity there.

  • 07.27.2012 2:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: farmerscott21
I'm getting really sick of these generations of Spartans. Does it make sense to make more? Of course, the Spartans won the UNSC the war. But from a story perspective, they're just crushing the uniqueness of the Spartain-II's, who are the most important characters in the Halo universe.

I've been saying this a lot recently- By Halo 6 we will have the Spartan XX's, who are super advanced monkeys who were trained by the UNSC since birth. Aside from Tom and Lucy in the Halo novels, the S-III's have not made much of a contribution to the deeper story and are not enjoyable characters.


Noble Team...
I'm going to have to agree with Farmer Scott. Now it seems like there are Spartans left and right. They just don't seem special anymore.

Besides Noble Team weren't well developed characters...

  • 07.27.2012 2:29 PM PDT

Why am I seeing so much made-up crap in this thread?

Thank you grey for providing some sense. And I really have to agree about the economy and the amount of resources the UNSC would have been able to draw upon. I really hope that some of it is explained, because right now it just seems off.

  • 07.27.2012 2:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: farmerscott21
I'm getting really sick of these generations of Spartans. Does it make sense to make more? Of course, the Spartans won the UNSC the war. But from a story perspective, they're just crushing the uniqueness of the Spartain-II's, who are the most important characters in the Halo universe.

I've been saying this a lot recently- By Halo 6 we will have the Spartan XX's, who are super advanced monkeys who were trained by the UNSC since birth. Aside from Tom and Lucy in the Halo novels, the S-III's have not made much of a contribution to the deeper story and are not enjoyable characters.


Noble Team...
I'm going to have to agree with Farmer Scott. Now it seems like there are Spartans left and right. They just don't seem special anymore.

Besides Noble Team weren't well developed characters...


Why? Because they died? Get real...

  • 07.27.2012 5:55 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Therefore there is this next level of pressure to do better for each other because they really care about each other. Something SPARTANs don't really feel for other Units. This was due to the circumstance and bonds they had growing up.

S-IVs don't have that and they never will. That's the tragedy of the Spartan program. Not that the S-IVs don't care about each other. It's because they're there own people. Individuals who get pulled together. SPARTANS were always brothers and sisters. S-IVS are not.

I think I prefer the idea of the Spartan-IVs over the II's. The II's having this cold and distant view of the rest of Humanity seemed to make them entirely apart from it. Questions arose, such as did they fight for Humanity's survival, or was it just another order? Did they care for the suffering that other people were facing, or was it just so long as their own little group of IIs survived, everything was okay? In John claiming (Or at least thinking of) himself as being separate from Humanity in Palace Hotel, it calls into question whether they are the best of Humanity, because they can't belong to or represent anything from a group they feel no attachment to. (Or the author of that story screwed up, which is a very distinct possibility)

  • 07.27.2012 6:50 PM PDT


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Posted by: ninjakenzen
Therefore there is this next level of pressure to do better for each other because they really care about each other. Something SPARTANs don't really feel for other Units. This was due to the circumstance and bonds they had growing up.

S-IVs don't have that and they never will. That's the tragedy of the Spartan program. Not that the S-IVs don't care about each other. It's because they're there own people. Individuals who get pulled together. SPARTANS were always brothers and sisters. S-IVS are not.

I think I prefer the idea of the Spartan-IVs over the II's. The II's having this cold and distant view of the rest of Humanity seemed to make them entirely apart from it. Questions arose, such as did they fight for Humanity's survival, or was it just another order? Did they care for the suffering that other people were facing, or was it just so long as their own little group of IIs survived, everything was okay? In John claiming (Or at least thinking of) himself as being separate from Humanity in Palace Hotel, it calls into question whether they are the best of Humanity, because they can't belong to or represent anything from a group they feel no attachment to. (Or the author of that story screwed up, which is a very distinct possibility)
Actually I preferred that. It made being a Spartan a struggle, knowing you can't truly fit in.

That's the price you pay for being a super soldier. You don't get something for nothing.

Spartan IV's are basically people like Captain America. Strong, but vulnerable to all the same human weaknesses as your average joe.

Master Chief had what it took to get the job done. Spartan IV's are more vulnerable to manipulation of their emotions.

  • 07.27.2012 8:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: ninjakenzen
Therefore there is this next level of pressure to do better for each other because they really care about each other. Something SPARTANs don't really feel for other Units. This was due to the circumstance and bonds they had growing up.

S-IVs don't have that and they never will. That's the tragedy of the Spartan program. Not that the S-IVs don't care about each other. It's because they're there own people. Individuals who get pulled together. SPARTANS were always brothers and sisters. S-IVS are not.

I think I prefer the idea of the Spartan-IVs over the II's. The II's having this cold and distant view of the rest of Humanity seemed to make them entirely apart from it. Questions arose, such as did they fight for Humanity's survival, or was it just another order? Did they care for the suffering that other people were facing, or was it just so long as their own little group of IIs survived, everything was okay? In John claiming (Or at least thinking of) himself as being separate from Humanity in Palace Hotel, it calls into question whether they are the best of Humanity, because they can't belong to or represent anything from a group they feel no attachment to. (Or the author of that story screwed up, which is a very distinct possibility)

The disconnection from the rest of Humanity and having this "bubble" from the rest of society makes them stronger as soldiers. They are tools for humanity survival. They're not supposed to care about suffering, but it doesn't mean they can't.

Fighting for what they lost makes their resolve stronger much like any soldier.
SPARTAN-IIs in particular could take it more personally. As they grew up and shared a similar unique experience with other S-IIs.

John is right to believe that he is separate. Going through the things he's been through. Trained with the sole purpose since childhood to be the very best humanity has to offer. Makes a very distinct lack of familiarity with Marines who's lives had social aspect in a conventional society.

It's like being Batman. You can't be normal if you're Batman. Trying to make Batman normal makes him redundant as a superhero as that would mean everyone has the ability to do what it takes to go the next level with nothing to lose or in some interpretations, everything to lose.

Being the best makes you different. If you prefer everybody being the best then good for you. But a more realistic grasp would be that you would have to sacrifice luxuries such as a "normal life" to get close.

It's in Johns best interest to keep the Marines alive. Beyond the cold robot exterior. He is ultimately human.

Not caring about fame and trying to fit in social situations is a virtue in these situations, it keeps their priority straight as soldiers. S-IVs might run into these issues. The Spartan-II project have been publicized but the S-IIIs top secret. People think SPARTANS are legendary sons of -blam!-s that can't be killed.

Having just about any or every military top dog being in the same spotlight as this is just tarnishing reputation. Not that they aren't equal but because they're not really SPARTANS.

I dunno, I just think being a SPARTAN is more than just a MJOLNIR/SPI Suit and some argumentations.

For example, Buck.
"Truly, if he was any better he'd be a Spartan."
Oh wait, what dya know? He could be a S-IV now therefore a SPARTAN.

I still wouldn't put him in the same page as John, Fred, Kurt etc. He's got his own version and perspective of the chain of command, respect, emotions, etc that is so different from the S-IIs and S-IIIs. It just furthers sets them apart.

[Edited on 07.27.2012 9:29 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2012 9:20 PM PDT

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