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Subject: The differences between Spartan I's, II's, III's and IV...

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SPARTAN I (Previous name: ORION)

Spartan I's were adult volunteers originally intended to wear MJOLNIR and be augmented super soldiers. These augmentations failed, however and the project was scrapped. These minor augmentations were not at all effective and all Spartan I's were fit for regular military duty.

Spartan II

Spartan II's were kidnapped at the age of 6/7 and trained to become super soldiers. At age 14 (approx) they were massively augmented, becoming incredibly fast and strong, unlike anything else before them. However, these augmentations would kill or cripple half of the Spartan II's, so only 33 out of the 75 were fit for duty afterwards.

Spartan II's have the strongest version of MJOLNIR, as there intense physical condition, thanks to the augmentations, can cope with the armour. For example, a Marine wearing Spartan armour would be crushed within the suit, while Spartans will not be. Spartan II's received energy shielding in 2552.

Spartan III

Spartan III's were comprised of vengeful orphans whose loved ones and worlds were destroyed by the Covenant. They volunteered, unlike the II's. The age of augmentation normally differed from 6-11 years old. (S259 Carter was 11 when he underwent the procedure) The Spartan III's had less severe augmentations, mostly gene therapies that made them far stronger and faster then normal. However, they lacked the mechanical augmentations of the II's.

Spartan III's had SPI armour, weaker armour with no shields but with Active Camouflage. (Some SPI variants did have weak shielding, however) Also, Spartan III's were experts with Covenant technology, famously using Jackal shield gauntlets in Ghosts of Onyx.

Spartan III's all survived augmentation but were sent on suicide missions. They almost all died, but those who survived twice were given a spot in the Headhunters.

There were a total of 900 Spartan III's trained.

Spartan IV's.

Spartan IV's are the success story of the Spartans. They were what Spartan I intended to achieve. They were all adult volunteers who had very minor augmentations. They are created and trained on the UNSC Infinity and have a weaker version of MJOLNIR.

Hope this clears some queries up. :P

  • 06.17.2012 6:09 AM PDT

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S-IIIs have the exact same augs as the S-IIs, just delivered differently. S-IIs were surgically altered, while S-IIIs received these same augmentations through chemicals and drugs, as well as a set of 3 drugs to prevent shock and psychosis.

The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature.

S-IIs had no "mechanical" augmentations.

Headhunters didn't survive twice, as there are in total only two known survivors of Alpha and Beta company operations. Instead, Headhunters and Noble team etc. were pulled out of company training and segregated into different units such as the Headhunters.

  • 06.17.2012 7:45 AM PDT
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  • 06.17.2012 9:57 AM PDT
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Also, Spartan-IIIs that were part of the UNSC Naval Special Warfare Command/Special Warfare Group Three received Mjolnir Mk. V Armor.

[Edited on 06.17.2012 10:38 AM PDT]

  • 06.17.2012 10:37 AM PDT

Actually 930, since Gamma Company had 330 in it, since Kurt couldn't randomly cut 30 since all were very dedicated.

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SIII's also had this drug that made them mentally instable, but highly resistant to pain (?). Not sure what the drug did in specifics.

  • 06.17.2012 5:57 PM PDT

What a waste....

S 1

Actually, the augmentations DID work for some of them. Johnson, in particular, developed a resistance to the Flood infection, and is marginally more strong, fast, and intelligent than the Marines around him, in part due to the augmentations.

S2

Several of the Spartans incapacitated by the enhancements later recovered and were put into active service.

S 3

Age of augmentation was actually about 12 for most, Carter went under the knife at 18(IIRC). The threes received improved augmentations, not reduced ones. An S-III is just as strong as an SII. Several of them also got things to make them more aggressive, which had to be monitored with medications to prevent bad things happening. And no, they were not "experts"; they had knowledge of how to use Covenant technology, certainly, but they had no understanding of the technical aspects.

The S 4 program are the best of the best ODSTs, Marines, and Army personnel. Their MJOLNIR and augmentations are no weaker than those of the previous generations.

[Edited on 06.17.2012 6:11 PM PDT]

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S 1

Actually, the augmentations DID work for some of them. Johnson, in particular, developed a resistance to the Flood infection, and is marginally more strong, fast, and intelligent than the Marines around him, in part due to the augmentations.

S2

Several of the Spartans incapacitated by the enhancements later recovered and were put into active service.

S 3

Age of augmentation was actually about 12 for most, Carter went under the knife at 18(IIRC). The threes received improved augmentations, not reduced ones. An S-III is just as strong as an SII. Several of them also got things to make them more aggressive, which had to be monitored with medications to prevent bad things happening. And no, they were not "experts"; they had knowledge of how to use Covenant technology, certainly, but they had no understanding of the technical aspects.

The S 4 program are the best of the best ODSTs, Marines, and Army personnel. Their MJOLNIR and augmentations are no weaker than those of the previous generations.

I thought johnson got boren's disease from a crate of captured plasma grenades which caused him to become immune to the flood.

  • 06.17.2012 9:17 PM PDT

What a waste....


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Posted by: Nocbl2
S 1

Actually, the augmentations DID work for some of them. Johnson, in particular, developed a resistance to the Flood infection, and is marginally more strong, fast, and intelligent than the Marines around him, in part due to the augmentations.

S2

Several of the Spartans incapacitated by the enhancements later recovered and were put into active service.

S 3

Age of augmentation was actually about 12 for most, Carter went under the knife at 18(IIRC). The threes received improved augmentations, not reduced ones. An S-III is just as strong as an SII. Several of them also got things to make them more aggressive, which had to be monitored with medications to prevent bad things happening. And no, they were not "experts"; they had knowledge of how to use Covenant technology, certainly, but they had no understanding of the technical aspects.

The S 4 program are the best of the best ODSTs, Marines, and Army personnel. Their MJOLNIR and augmentations are no weaker than those of the previous generations.

I thought johnson got boren's disease from a crate of captured plasma grenades which caused him to become immune to the flood.


Protip: Read over important information. That was the coverup story. The real thing was that his augmentations caused his immunity.

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In addition to what others have said, the SIVs are using the second generation of MJOLNIR, which is produced by several companies (including private contractors)as well as "ad hoc modifications systems," which allows for tactical packages and support upgrades in addition to armor abilities.

  • 06.18.2012 2:03 PM PDT

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OP spartan 3s are just as tough as spartan 2s, hell spartan 3 gamma class are even better.

  • 06.18.2012 4:42 PM PDT

If Spartans IVs are "just as good" as Spartan IIs and IIIs then why is their armour constantly referred to as "lightweight" MJOLNIR?

If the new generation of MJOLNIR armour was lightweight to begone with, they'd only have to state "Mark VII armour is more lightweight than Mark VI". Yet they constantly say "lightweight" as if to say they have to wear a special ligjter variant because they can't handle the weight of normal MJOLNIR?

  • 06.18.2012 4:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
If Spartans IVs are "just as good" as Spartan IIs and IIIs then why is their armour constantly referred to as "lightweight" MJOLNIR?

If the new generation of MJOLNIR armour was lightweight to begone with, they'd only have to state "Mark VII armour is more lightweight than Mark VI". Yet they constantly say "lightweight" as if to say they have to wear a special ligjter variant because they can't handle the weight of normal MJOLNIR?


Or the material is better and just lighter.

  • 06.18.2012 5:10 PM PDT

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Invoking your biases of the Spartan-III program in your description is incredibly misleading.

Spartan-IIIs received the same augmentations as the IIs, although via drugs rather than surgical procedures. The only augmentation the IIIs did not receive which the IIs did was the thyroid implant, which made the Spartan-IIs significantly taller and bulkier than the IIs and IIIs. Regardless, the only reason the IIIs were not given MJOLNIR is because of the enormous expense of the exoskeletons, not because of physical inability to wield it.

  • 06.18.2012 5:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: tjal
SIII's also had this drug that made them mentally instable, but highly resistant to pain (?). Not sure what the drug did in specifics.

Only Gamma company.

  • 06.18.2012 5:31 PM PDT

What a waste....


Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Invoking your biases of the Spartan-III program in your description is incredibly misleading.

Spartan-IIIs received the same augmentations as the IIs, although via drugs rather than surgical procedures. The only augmentation the IIIs did not receive which the IIs did was the thyroid implant, which made the Spartan-IIs significantly taller and bulkier than the IIs and IIIs. Regardless, the only reason the IIIs were not given MJOLNIR is because of the enormous expense of the exoskeletons, not because of physical inability to wield it.
Um.. I'm pretty sure both SII and III received drugs...

  • 06.18.2012 6:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Invoking your biases of the Spartan-III program in your description is incredibly misleading.

Spartan-IIIs received the same augmentations as the IIs, although via drugs rather than surgical procedures. The only augmentation the IIIs did not receive which the IIs did was the thyroid implant, which made the Spartan-IIs significantly taller and bulkier than the IIs and IIIs. Regardless, the only reason the IIIs were not given MJOLNIR is because of the enormous expense of the exoskeletons, not because of physical inability to wield it.
Um.. I'm pretty sure both SII and III received drugs...

No spartan 3s did not have a thyroid implant. However look at noble team there more or less the same size as normal spartan 2s. People only think there small because they compare noble team to jorge, who is giant even by spartan 2 terms...

  • 06.18.2012 6:38 PM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1995324
If Spartans IVs are "just as good" as Spartan IIs and IIIs then why is their armour constantly referred to as "lightweight" MJOLNIR?

If the new generation of MJOLNIR armour was lightweight to begone with, they'd only have to state "Mark VII armour is more lightweight than Mark VI". Yet they constantly say "lightweight" as if to say they have to wear a special ligjter variant because they can't handle the weight of normal MJOLNIR?


Or the material is better and just lighter.
If that is the case with all MJOLNIR Mark VII suits then why the need to constantly refer to it as lightweight MJOLNIR. They could just call it MJOLNIR and everyone would know that Mark VII is lighter than Mark VI.

Why the emphasis on "light weight"?

  • 06.18.2012 7:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1995324

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
If Spartans IVs are "just as good" as Spartan IIs and IIIs then why is their armour constantly referred to as "lightweight" MJOLNIR?

If the new generation of MJOLNIR armour was lightweight to begone with, they'd only have to state "Mark VII armour is more lightweight than Mark VI". Yet they constantly say "lightweight" as if to say they have to wear a special ligjter variant because they can't handle the weight of normal MJOLNIR?


Or the material is better and just lighter.
If that is the case with all MJOLNIR Mark VII suits then why the need to constantly refer to it as lightweight MJOLNIR. They could just call it MJOLNIR and everyone would know that Mark VII is lighter than Mark VI.

Why the emphasis on "light weight"?


I have a feeling you are exaggerating how many times they emphasize the lightweight aspect of it. It is GEN2 armor the Spartan-IVs are wearing. Really, I don't know. But looking at it, the armor doesn't look like it's any worse.

  • 06.18.2012 7:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1995324
If Spartans IVs are "just as good" as Spartan IIs and IIIs then why is their armour constantly referred to as "lightweight" MJOLNIR?

If the new generation of MJOLNIR armour was lightweight to begone with, they'd only have to state "Mark VII armour is more lightweight than Mark VI". Yet they constantly say "lightweight" as if to say they have to wear a special ligjter variant because they can't handle the weight of normal MJOLNIR?


Or the material is better and just lighter.
If that is the case with all MJOLNIR Mark VII suits then why the need to constantly refer to it as lightweight MJOLNIR. They could just call it MJOLNIR and everyone would know that Mark VII is lighter than Mark VI.

Why the emphasis on "light weight"?


I have a feeling you are exaggerating how many times they emphasize the lightweight aspect of it. It is GEN2 armor the Spartan-IVs are wearing. Really, I don't know. But looking at it, the armor doesn't look like it's any worse.
I agree the armour looks good in fact (without those crazy preorder skins). Also where did you get the whole GEN 2 idea? MJOLNIR armour progresses like this: Mark I, II, III, and so on. Chief's armour is Mark VI, as I'm sure you know. However here's an example of NOT emphasizing something that is standard in an armour set.

When SPI was introduced we were told that it had no shields. Notice how they always referred to it as SPI armour and never "shield less SPI"? Constantly calling the Spartan 3's armour "shield less SPI" would have implied that there was some sort of variant of SPI with shields, which that we know of there isn't.

So if the new MJOLNIR Mark VII armour was light weight as a standard feature, I don't see why they need to point it out more than once. Saying it over and over implies that there is some variant that is heavier, which that we know of doesn't exist.

My question is why do they keep pointing out that's it light weight. If all Mark VIIs suits were like that then they could have told us straight up, like when they told us that SPI had no shields. They told us SPI was shield less once, why couldn't they say that MJOLNIR Mark VII was light weight once if it was a standard feature?

  • 06.18.2012 8:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
I agree the armour looks good in fact (without those crazy preorder skins). Also where did you get the whole GEN 2 idea? MJOLNIR armour progresses like this: Mark I, II, III, and so on. Chief's armour is Mark VI, as I'm sure you know. However here's an example of NOT emphasizing something that is standard in an armour set.


Near the bottom. I've seen it elsewhere too, but I can't remember where exactly.

When SPI was introduced we were told that it had no shields. Notice how they always referred to it as SPI armour and never "shield less SPI"? Constantly calling the Spartan 3's armour "shield less SPI" would have implied that there was some sort of variant of SPI with shields, which that we know of there isn't.

So if the new MJOLNIR Mark VII armour was light weight as a standard feature, I don't see why they need to point it out more than once. Saying it over and over implies that there is some variant that is heavier, which that we know of doesn't exist.

My question is why do they keep pointing out that's it light weight. If all Mark VIIs suits were like that then they could have told us straight up, like when they told us that SPI had no shields. They told us SPI was shield less once, why couldn't they say that MJOLNIR Mark VII was light weight once if it was a standard feature?


Yes, but how many times is the lightweight aspect really mentioned? I think it may been mentioned once in Glasslands but only as a feature.

  • 06.18.2012 8:39 PM PDT

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Not to be rude, as you did a great job pulling this information together, but the Orion project was not renamed Spartan I. Oni wanted the new project (Spartan II's) to have a different name then Orion to distant itself from the failure of the previous project. Halsey complied but added II onto the end of the spartan title as a sign of respect for the Orion project test subjects. The Orion project was never actually renamed though. It's all in Halsey's journal that comes with the Reach Legendary edition.

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You also have to remember that Spartan IIIs were "suicide spartans" meant to go on missions that were much more dangerous for a Spartan II.

The original Spartan program was cut due to how expensive it was.

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
If Spartans IVs are "just as good" as Spartan IIs and IIIs then why is their armour constantly referred to as "lightweight" MJOLNIR?

If the new generation of MJOLNIR armour was lightweight to begone with, they'd only have to state "Mark VII armour is more lightweight than Mark VI". Yet they constantly say "lightweight" as if to say they have to wear a special ligjter variant because they can't handle the weight of normal MJOLNIR?


Or the material is better and just lighter.
If that is the case with all MJOLNIR Mark VII suits then why the need to constantly refer to it as lightweight MJOLNIR. They could just call it MJOLNIR and everyone would know that Mark VII is lighter than Mark VI.

Why the emphasis on "light weight"?


I have a feeling you are exaggerating how many times they emphasize the lightweight aspect of it. It is GEN2 armor the Spartan-IVs are wearing. Really, I don't know. But looking at it, the armor doesn't look like it's any worse.
I agree the armour looks good in fact (without those crazy preorder skins). Also where did you get the whole GEN 2 idea? MJOLNIR armour progresses like this: Mark I, II, III, and so on. Chief's armour is Mark VI, as I'm sure you know. However here's an example of NOT emphasizing something that is standard in an armour set.

When SPI was introduced we were told that it had no shields. Notice how they always referred to it as SPI armour and never "shield less SPI"? Constantly calling the Spartan 3's armour "shield less SPI" would have implied that there was some sort of variant of SPI with shields, which that we know of there isn't.

So if the new MJOLNIR Mark VII armour was light weight as a standard feature, I don't see why they need to point it out more than once. Saying it over and over implies that there is some variant that is heavier, which that we know of doesn't exist.

My question is why do they keep pointing out that's it light weight. If all Mark VIIs suits were like that then they could have told us straight up, like when they told us that SPI had no shields. They told us SPI was shield less once, why couldn't they say that MJOLNIR Mark VII was light weight once if it was a standard feature?


Headhunter SPI had shields :P

  • 06.18.2012 10:24 PM PDT

They've also said Mark VII and Gen2 are two different armors entirely IIRC.


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