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Subject: The differences between Spartan I's, II's, III's and IV...


Posted by: Adragalus
S-IIIs have the exact same augs as the S-IIs, just delivered differently. S-IIs were surgically altered, while S-IIIs received these same augmentations through chemicals and drugs, as well as a set of 3 drugs to prevent shock and psychosis.

The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature.

S-IIs had no "mechanical" augmentations.

Headhunters didn't survive twice, as there are in total only two known survivors of Alpha and Beta company operations. Instead, Headhunters and Noble team etc. were pulled out of company training and segregated into different units such as the Headhunters.
What about the physical augmentation that the S-II's received that made their skeletal structures practically indestructible?

S-III's obviously didn't have that, but it was mostly ignored in Halo CE.

  • 06.19.2012 12:57 AM PDT


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Posted by: Adragalus
S-IIIs have the exact same augs as the S-IIs, just delivered differently. S-IIs were surgically altered, while S-IIIs received these same augmentations through chemicals and drugs, as well as a set of 3 drugs to prevent shock and psychosis.

The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature.

S-IIs had no "mechanical" augmentations.

Headhunters didn't survive twice, as there are in total only two known survivors of Alpha and Beta company operations. Instead, Headhunters and Noble team etc. were pulled out of company training and segregated into different units such as the Headhunters.
What about the physical augmentation that the S-II's received that made their skeletal structures practically indestructible?

S-III's obviously didn't have that, but it was mostly ignored in Halo CE.


Actually, S3's do have that. What's your proof otherwise?

That augmentation, like others, simply wasn't applied through heavy invasive surgery. The only augmentation that wasn't shared was the thyroid implant which made the S2's taller.

And that was cause said implant was REQUIRED(as I've read) for the S2 implants to fully take effect/affect the entire body.

  • 06.19.2012 1:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: Adragalus
S-IIIs have the exact same augs as the S-IIs, just delivered differently. S-IIs were surgically altered, while S-IIIs received these same augmentations through chemicals and drugs, as well as a set of 3 drugs to prevent shock and psychosis.

The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature.

S-IIs had no "mechanical" augmentations.

Headhunters didn't survive twice, as there are in total only two known survivors of Alpha and Beta company operations. Instead, Headhunters and Noble team etc. were pulled out of company training and segregated into different units such as the Headhunters.
What about the physical augmentation that the S-II's received that made their skeletal structures practically indestructible?

S-III's obviously didn't have that, but it was mostly ignored in Halo CE.


Actually, the S-IIs ceramic ossification procedures were administered through a surgery and were applied directly to the bones, whereas the S-IIIS received their augmentations through injections. Their bones are equally strong (as we have seen with Noble Team operating MJOLNIR armor without pulverizing their skeletons), but the risks of the grafting are significantly less, as the drugs are both safer by this point and do not require invasive surgery to apply.

  • 06.19.2012 1:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Adragalus
S-IIIs have the exact same augs as the S-IIs, just delivered differently. S-IIs were surgically altered, while S-IIIs received these same augmentations through chemicals and drugs, as well as a set of 3 drugs to prevent shock and psychosis.

The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature.

S-IIs had no "mechanical" augmentations.

Headhunters didn't survive twice, as there are in total only two known survivors of Alpha and Beta company operations. Instead, Headhunters and Noble team etc. were pulled out of company training and segregated into different units such as the Headhunters.
What about the physical augmentation that the S-II's received that made their skeletal structures practically indestructible?

S-III's obviously didn't have that, but it was mostly ignored in Halo CE.
They got it too, but instead of being grafted in sheets or whatever through invasive surgery, the ceramic ossification was applied through "electroplating," if you will, using drugs to apply in on a molecular level.

It's not ignored in CE. A line from Fall of Reach when the S-IIs storm an Insurrectionist base, the Chief looks down an elevator shaft and thinks something like "A thirty-meter plunge into complete blackness: his bones wouldn't break, but his organs might rupture, and there would be severe internal trauma."

Leap off of a cliff in CE, and you dislocate your legs and jam your tibia up into your ribcage. Unbreakable bones or not, that'll kill you.

  • 06.19.2012 10:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Adragalus

Posted by: X Delta Xero X

Posted by: Adragalus
S-IIIs have the exact same augs as the S-IIs, just delivered differently. S-IIs were surgically altered, while S-IIIs received these same augmentations through chemicals and drugs, as well as a set of 3 drugs to prevent shock and psychosis.

The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature.

S-IIs had no "mechanical" augmentations.

Headhunters didn't survive twice, as there are in total only two known survivors of Alpha and Beta company operations. Instead, Headhunters and Noble team etc. were pulled out of company training and segregated into different units such as the Headhunters.
What about the physical augmentation that the S-II's received that made their skeletal structures practically indestructible?

S-III's obviously didn't have that, but it was mostly ignored in Halo CE.
They got it too, but instead of being grafted in sheets or whatever through invasive surgery, the ceramic ossification was applied through "electroplating," if you will, using drugs to apply in on a molecular level.

It's not ignored in CE. A line from Fall of Reach when the S-IIs storm an Insurrectionist base, the Chief looks down an elevator shaft and thinks something like "A thirty-meter plunge into complete blackness: his bones wouldn't break, but his organs might rupture, and there would be severe internal trauma."

Leap off of a cliff in CE, and you dislocate your legs and jam your tibia up into your ribcage. Unbreakable bones or not, that'll kill you.

Yea, exactly. The Mark V armour couldn't withstand massive falls without the armour being locked, as told in The Fall of Reach. That is why in Halo Reach there is fall damage.

In Halo 2, 3 and 4 in single player you use Mark VI, which can withstand massive falls, to a certain degree.

Master Chief withstood a fall at the start of Halo 3 that can be compared to the Spartans in free fall in the Fall of Reach. It shows shows how the newer armour can withstand greater falls. In the book, the Spartans with Mark V armour on suffered losses, and at the least ruptured internal organs.

And Spartan II's could all be the same size as Jorge, who knows? It could definitely show how different the II's and III's are from eachother.

[Edited on 07.13.2012 9:34 PM PDT]

  • 07.13.2012 9:33 PM PDT

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SIV's are dwarfed by Sangheili as seen in the SO trailer.

  • 07.14.2012 7:25 AM PDT

IIRC I've heard that Spartan 3's augmentations are on the level of the Spartan 2's expected results but the Spartan 2's augmentations when successfuly done to the recurits who make it through surprassed expectations?

Could someone clarify this?

  • 07.14.2012 1:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: dangerman1337
IIRC I've heard that Spartan 3's augmentations are on the level of the Spartan 2's expected results but the Spartan 2's augmentations when successfuly done to the recurits who make it through surprassed expectations?

Could someone clarify this?


The Spartan's who didn't washout with the augmentations adapted to them faster and better than they were expecting. Chief Mendez explains this to Halsey when he takes her to the Mine where the Spartan's are training in The Fall of Reach. Their reaction times were off the charts, Kelly's speed was more than expected... Stuff like that.

I'm sure this is possible to have happened to the Spartan III'
s, but was just never mentioned since the whole augmentation process and how bodies would react to it was a first time thing with the Spartan II's, and now Kurt knew that it would happen and was not surprised... Or simply, the Spartan III's didn't exceed expectations due to their augmentations being done through drugs instead of through a surgical process, which I imagine is more effective but a lot more painful.

  • 07.14.2012 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nocbl2

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Invoking your biases of the Spartan-III program in your description is incredibly misleading.

Spartan-IIIs received the same augmentations as the IIs, although via drugs rather than surgical procedures. The only augmentation the IIIs did not receive which the IIs did was the thyroid implant, which made the Spartan-IIs significantly taller and bulkier than the IIs and IIIs. Regardless, the only reason the IIIs were not given MJOLNIR is because of the enormous expense of the exoskeletons, not because of physical inability to wield it.
Um.. I'm pretty sure both SII and III received drugs...

No spartan 3s did not have a thyroid implant. However look at noble team there more or less the same size as normal spartan 2s. People only think there small because they compare noble team to jorge, who is giant even by spartan 2 terms...

Not really, huge for SII's would be Sam, who was over 8 feet tall. Jorge is normal size (well, for SII's...), the SIII's are a bit shorter then the II's, think 6'6" to 6'10" rather then over 7 feet on average.

[Edited on 07.14.2012 3:01 PM PDT]

  • 07.14.2012 3:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari

Posted by: Nocbl2

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Invoking your biases of the Spartan-III program in your description is incredibly misleading.

Spartan-IIIs received the same augmentations as the IIs, although via drugs rather than surgical procedures. The only augmentation the IIIs did not receive which the IIs did was the thyroid implant, which made the Spartan-IIs significantly taller and bulkier than the IIs and IIIs. Regardless, the only reason the IIIs were not given MJOLNIR is because of the enormous expense of the exoskeletons, not because of physical inability to wield it.
Um.. I'm pretty sure both SII and III received drugs...

No spartan 3s did not have a thyroid implant. However look at noble team there more or less the same size as normal spartan 2s. People only think there small because they compare noble team to jorge, who is giant even by spartan 2 terms...

Not really, huge for SII's would be Sam, who was over 8 feet tall. Jorge is normal size (well, for SII's...), the SIII's are a bit shorter then the II's, think 6'6" to 6'10" rather then over 7 feet on average.


Jorge is 223 centimeters.
John is 201

Sam was a head taller, so similar in height to Jorge.

  • 07.14.2012 3:33 PM PDT

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Your right but he have augs that did make him smarter and stronger.
Posted by: GoofballH2
Posted by: Nocbl2
S 1

Actually, the augmentations DID work for some of them. Johnson, in particular, developed a resistance to the Flood infection, and is marginally more strong, fast, and intelligent than the Marines around him, in part due to the augmentations.

S2

Several of the Spartans incapacitated by the enhancements later recovered and were put into active service.

S 3

Age of augmentation was actually about 12 for most, Carter went under the knife at 18(IIRC). The threes received improved augmentations, not reduced ones. An S-III is just as strong as an SII. Several of them also got things to make them more aggressive, which had to be monitored with medications to prevent bad things happening. And no, they were not "experts"; they had knowledge of how to use Covenant technology, certainly, but they had no understanding of the technical aspects.

The S 4 program are the best of the best ODSTs, Marines, and Army personnel. Their MJOLNIR and augmentations are no weaker than those of the previous generations.

I thought johnson got boren's disease from a crate of captured plasma grenades which caused him to become immune to the flood.

  • 07.14.2012 8:44 PM PDT


Posted by: MozzarellaMonky
Your right but he have augs that did make him smarter and stronger.
Posted by: GoofballH2
Posted by: Nocbl2
S 1

Actually, the augmentations DID work for some of them. Johnson, in particular, developed a resistance to the Flood infection, and is marginally more strong, fast, and intelligent than the Marines around him, in part due to the augmentations.

S2

Several of the Spartans incapacitated by the enhancements later recovered and were put into active service.

S 3

Age of augmentation was actually about 12 for most, Carter went under the knife at 18(IIRC). The threes received improved augmentations, not reduced ones. An S-III is just as strong as an SII. Several of them also got things to make them more aggressive, which had to be monitored with medications to prevent bad things happening. And no, they were not "experts"; they had knowledge of how to use Covenant technology, certainly, but they had no understanding of the technical aspects.

The S 4 program are the best of the best ODSTs, Marines, and Army personnel. Their MJOLNIR and augmentations are no weaker than those of the previous generations.

I thought johnson got boren's disease from a crate of captured plasma grenades which caused him to become immune to the flood.
No he's wrong. The whole Boren's disease thing is a cover up story.

Project ORION is still a secret. ONI just made up some BS story to cover up for the fact that Johnson is immune to the Flood. Look it up.

Consider it a side effect of the augments.

[Edited on 07.14.2012 9:21 PM PDT]

  • 07.14.2012 9:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: MozzarellaMonky
Your right but he have augs that did make him smarter and stronger.
Posted by: GoofballH2
Posted by: Nocbl2
S 1

Actually, the augmentations DID work for some of them. Johnson, in particular, developed a resistance to the Flood infection, and is marginally more strong, fast, and intelligent than the Marines around him, in part due to the augmentations.

S2

Several of the Spartans incapacitated by the enhancements later recovered and were put into active service.

S 3

Age of augmentation was actually about 12 for most, Carter went under the knife at 18(IIRC). The threes received improved augmentations, not reduced ones. An S-III is just as strong as an SII. Several of them also got things to make them more aggressive, which had to be monitored with medications to prevent bad things happening. And no, they were not "experts"; they had knowledge of how to use Covenant technology, certainly, but they had no understanding of the technical aspects.

The S 4 program are the best of the best ODSTs, Marines, and Army personnel. Their MJOLNIR and augmentations are no weaker than those of the previous generations.

I thought johnson got boren's disease from a crate of captured plasma grenades which caused him to become immune to the flood.
No he's wrong. The whole Boren's disease thing is a cover up story.

Project ORION is still a secret. ONI just made up some BS story to cover up for the fact that Johnson is immune to the Flood. Look it up.

Consider it a side effect of the augments.

Pretty sure the immunity was retconned by HGN in the first place.

In HGN he escapes, but isn't attacked by an infection form.

  • 07.14.2012 9:31 PM PDT

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