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Subject: Why Fighter Jets look how they do in the Halo Universe
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I plan to follow in my fathers example. My father is an Ex-member of the USAF as a pilot of an F15. He know works at Area 51. No, im not lying and its not that awe striking. He leaves everday at eight in the morning goes to a Military Airbase in Las Vegas (not the the city) were we live and takes a 737 to Area 51 with about 60 other people. I dont know how important he is but he does no stuff that under National Law he cannot tell me. If he did he could be prosecuted under High Treason and could recieve the death penalty. Anyway...while he cant tell me any specifics he can tell me a few things. And no its not aliens. He has told me that the base's main focus is an areonomic adavancements. While we were playing halo toghether (yes he plays halo with me, we beat halo 2 toghether) i asked him why Halo fighter like the Longswords are huge instead of being really small and zippy. He answered that the reason jets are small now aday is because they are "good enough" and they want more speed and less firepower. The standard issue fightert jet in the USAF can hold from 2-6 missiles at a time. If they made a fighter jet the held 26 missiles it would need to be a fairly large aircraft, and the larger it is the slower it is. However 500 hundred years from now scientists would have figured out a way to create relatively large and fast aircraft. Hence they could carry more missiles and fuel. He says that future fighter jets should go anywhere from mach 2.5-9.5 and will be larger. The most plausible way for a large plain to be fast and carry alot of missiles is if it looked like THIS. Thats all i have to say. What do you guys think?

  • 06.10.2006 3:53 PM PDT
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First off, great sig. Second, all the respect in the world for your dad. And last. It is true for them to be that size if they're atmospheric craft, but the laws of weight and aerodynamis aren't exactly the same in space.

  • 06.10.2006 3:56 PM PDT
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thats really interesting but i dont really get ur point...cool post though

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i think the area 51 your dad works at is not the area 51 that is famnous in american UFO lore.

  • 06.10.2006 3:58 PM PDT
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Okay arvo. If you're joking, fix the post and put an lol or something on the end of it. If not, erase the post.

  • 06.10.2006 3:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Fallen1
thats really interesting but i dont really get ur point...cool post though

in short, larger craft means more room for an increased arnament. And if it were made like THI S it could also go fast

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Uh, if you live in Nevada why in your profile does it say you live in New Hampshire. We all wish our dads worked there but lieing is not gonna make it real.

  • 06.10.2006 4:01 PM PDT
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well I think I understood most of that, but i agree with my won idea "
The more explosive devices that move toward the Enemy, the Better

  • 06.10.2006 4:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: GruntyBalboa
Okay arvo. If you're joking, fix the post and put an lol or something on the end of it. If not, erase the post.


PLEASE. dont tell me u actualy think this kid;s dad works at area 51

  • 06.10.2006 4:04 PM PDT
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Step one: FIX YOUR DAMN POST SO AS TO NOT LOOK LIKE AN ILLITERATE. Step two: SHUT THE -blam!- UP!

  • 06.10.2006 4:07 PM PDT
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I belive him. Someone has to work there. Just because it's hard to believe doesn't mean it's not true.

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Posted by: blargyblah
Uh, if you live in Nevada why in your profile does it say you live in New Hampshire. We all wish our dads worked there but lieing is not gonna make it real.


my parents are divorced an my mother lives in New Hampshire in Hampton Falls. I go to my dads house during all of my vacactions and partly during summer.

  • 06.10.2006 4:10 PM PDT

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Guess what!? It is very possible someones dad may work at Area 51. That does not mean he is a mad scientist working on alien technology. Airbases are faily large, and can have many different sectors with different security classifications to enter. It is possible he may be working in a low security requirement sector. After all, aside from UFO's and what now, Area 51 is notorious for aircraft development. Not only that, but his post makes sense. Stop flaming him.

  • 06.10.2006 4:11 PM PDT
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i hope that provides clarification

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1) nice sig
2) i cant imagine flying a jet at mach 9.5, youd have to have another pump like the heart to avoid blacking out, assuming you can take 1.7-2 pressing on your chest. its a cool idea tho

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B-2 Spirit Stealth bomber.
Also, nice sig.

  • 06.10.2006 4:23 PM PDT
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The B2 is possibly the stupidest design for a fast attach air craft. There is so much surface area the craft would more than likely not work due to the amount of heat transfered from the atmosphere. The shock wave would rip the plane to pieces at the velocities you mentioned. Fast fighter aircraft will most likely get larger if more weapons payload is wanted, but the bigger you are, the easier you're to hit unless you factor in speed of course. In reality fighter aircraft will more than likely look more like the Boeing version for the Joint Strike Fighter program, versus the picked Lockheed and Martin F-22A, F-34A. If you're being very optomistic on fighter design, atmospheric thrusters will eventually be the choice of propulsion. That is when you cause a fusion event in the atmosphere to push your craft along. This would be done using inertial confinement. The thrust ratio far exceeds anything previously envisioned by the US armed forces.

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Posted by: Matched Player 2
1) nice sig
2) i cant imagine flying a jet at mach 9.5, youd have to have another pump like the heart to avoid blacking out, assuming you can take 1.7-2 pressing on your chest. its a cool idea tho


I asked the exact same question, my dad clarified. The next day when we got in the car my dad pulled out of the drive way and floored it! When he first stepped on the gas pedal i felt my stomach lurched. He had accelerated from 15 to 65 MPH but as soon as we had setteld at 65 i felt nothing. The only time pilots feel like blacking out is either when they acclerate or when the pull a G-manuever like a sudden plunge. Once the sudden accelation stops you'd feel normal. So 9.5 is very plausible

  • 06.10.2006 4:32 PM PDT

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One problem about your surface area theory, this is the year 2525, not 1940. In current day jet warfare, there is almost no dogfighting anymore. Most battles are over before they happen, like with aircraft such as the lockheed raptor. I sense that the furture will lie in larger aircraft with more firepower, capable of launching many self guiding missles. As our ability to fly higher and higher grows, Ground fire would pretty much be factored out, so surface area, has almost no bearing.

  • 06.10.2006 4:34 PM PDT
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You realize you didn't even mention anything wrong with my surface area theory. You could have said that since the planes would be flying so high there would be less atmosphere and thusly less heating. I do agree that velocity will be very important in the near future, due to the progression in laser weaponry. Ground based laser weapons could easily hit a target over 80 Km away, at the speed of photons. Which once again highlites the simple fact a fighter shaped like the B2 would be an easy target once spotted. The only thing which makes the B2 hard to hit is that it has the radar cross section of a swallow or a bumble bee I cannot remember. The simple thing here is that the rounder an aircraft is the harder it is to detect by radar. Not considering heat et cetra. Missiles are nice but when you can hit one with a 600 Kw beam they just simply become useless unless you're within a few Km.

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Posted by: spesalfred
One problem about your surface area theory, this is the year 2525, not 1940. In current day jet warfare, there is almost no dogfighting anymore. Most battles are over before they happen, like with aircraft such as the lockheed raptor. I sense that the furture will lie in larger aircraft with more firepower, capable of launching many self guiding missles. As our ability to fly higher and higher grows, Ground fire would pretty much be factored out, so surface area, has almost no bearing.


There are two large problems with what you say. Your suggesting that ariel warfare wil in essence be fought by lauching missiles from anywhere in the world to anywhere in the world. For exapmple hitting Iraq with a missile lauched from the United States. The first problem is the missile's fuel, but that is the lesser of the two. The second is the very prominent one. Now aday intercontinental balistic missiles are very large missiles like three ton explosives and dormant nuclear missiles. Satellite imagery is negatively affected by position and weather. However when your lauching a missile with the capabilty of destrying city blocks the your dont need perfect accuarcy. When you launch a small missile like a 500 pound warhead you need accuracy for efficiency. The only place you can get such efficiency is to launch it form soemthing that is on the scene. Such as a fighter jet, and better yet, a fast fighter jet that can hold alot of missiles.

  • 06.10.2006 4:56 PM PDT

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I didn't mean ICB's, just missiles with a ranges of several miles. The f-22 raptor takes out targets before that target is even within range of sight. That is how I see the future of airborn combat.

  • 06.10.2006 5:05 PM PDT

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The simple thing here is that the rounder an aircraft is the harder it is to detect by radar.


Actually the more angular an aircraft is, the harder it is to detect.

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Yes the F-22 raptor is designed to be visually hard to spot. However the US learned a valuable lesson in Vietnam. Even though the missiles are designed such that you don't need to get close to your enemy to take them out, close quarters identification is often required. The other thing is that you may have the superior aircraft in battle, but if your out numbered a say 1 to 2 things quickly become deadly for yourself.

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Stealth is developed two ways. An aircraft is made of radar absorbing material or it is radar reflecting.

  • 06.10.2006 5:17 PM PDT

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