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Posted by: Sandtrap
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Sandtrap
Noble Team degraded my view of Spartan IIIs immensely.
I admit, I sit a little iffish on Spartan IVs. They just *poofed* in right after the war as if the war never took any tole on the UNSC.[/quote]
On your part. Noble Team however, didn't affect my view. Made sense honestly, with the slowly dwindling and limited numbers of S2's, they'd grab some S3's to operate on the same level, keep up the Appearance that the Spartans were still an unstoppable force.
However, I agree about S4's. Too much of Glasslands introductions spawn the thoughts of "Didn't Earth, and by extension, the entire Sol system get it's ass handed to them? As in, it's royally ruined and has to be rebuilt before anything can be truly done?" Yet we have Infinity, Spartan IV's, private companies building Mark VII AND this GEN2 armor...
Now, I can understand Infinity, as it was in development for a long time, being built during the war. It was intended to be another chip up humanities sleeve when it was completed.
But, as for the rest of the stuff, I call bullshat.
And as for Noble, I wasn't irritated that they were there, but at how un-spartan they were, no matter which class they belonged to. And my last nitpick, which has no bearing whatsoever, was the custom armour they had. No, just no.
The Spartan IV's have been in planning for decades. Ackerson's original dream with the Spartan III's was to regulate the augmentations enough to create an entire army of Spartans. As I said above, unless he was willingly going to invest in the outrageously dangerous maneuver of kidnapping "100,000 Spartan" children, then the only alternative was to allow the augmentations to be more accesible to the standard human.
The name "Spartan IV" only exists because the SIII program is effectively dead. Ackerson was tortured to death, Onyx exploded along with all of the SIII personal, and the final stage of the plan called for regular humans. The ONLY difference is the name, other than that, the IV's are merely the result of a decade of planning and research.
I know this. It's more on par with what Orion was intended to be. But I'm just saying they pulled all this new gear and equipment out of thin air. And yeah, sure it was likely being researched, but even still, you need materials, money, and the right equipment for all of that. The UNSC was hardly in a state to fund all that.
How is that nobody complained about the Mk. VI armor being devoloped? Keep in mind the devolopment of Mk. VI was finished just a few months prior to the prototype Mk. VII armor. The UNSC's economic state was little different between then and now. Remember earth wasn't destroyed. The covenant only targeted select spots on the planet, nothing like infrastructure and banks. So a difference between four or five months, and both just a few months after MJOLNIR Mk. V was introduced, yet the only thing the fans complain about is Mk. VII, which has been in devolopment alongside the other technology, each by different private contractors likely, for years, all the way back when the UNSC's economic status wasn't a mess.
And that's another thing. What is the UNSC's economic status? All we know is that it is bad, but we don't know anything about how it works and where it is right now to make a guess on what it is capable of achieving comfortably. What does "bad" mean exactly? Relative to the UNSC's status prior to the war probably, but what was it like then? And then you have to take into account the fact that the UNSC is just the military arm of the UEG. We've only been privvy to a fraction of the overall abilities of the human government.
Until these questions can be answered, the only argument that can be made for or against it is complete guess work. In fact, since we know literally nothing, the ONLY thing that we can look to to figure out just how it is holding up is looking at the results of its capability. With all of the new military hardware emerging, plus the jobs that spawn to build that hardware, amongst other things, then it seems clear to me that the economic status of the human race isn't as terrible as people think.
It is the epitome of arrogance to think that you or any one can say with any certainty that the UNSC can or can not do what they do while looking only at the economic status of the UEG when we haven't the slightest clue how it works or where it is. Our knowledge of the UEG's economy go as far as the words "this costs a lot," nothing else.
So, to me, the fact that they are doing these things just tells me that they can. When you get the UEG Governmental Encyclopdia, then you can say that they can or can not do something.
Fundamentally however, arguing about the econmic status and ability of a fictional government when the economy of said government has only ever been mentioned in passing is just nit picking to the nth degree; nobody knows nor cares how much a Frigate costs, or how much a MJOLNIR VII armor costs relative to a MK. VI armor. If they did then everybody should be -blam!- ing just as much about the Mk VI armor appearing out of thin air despite the UNSC's obviously weak economy, yet they don't, because no one really cares. The only reason I've ever known any one to nit pick is if they are trying, desperately at that, to make themselves seem right. In this case, the only reason someone would want themselves to seem right is if they have a bias against the story tellers. Again I'll remind you that it wasn't until 343i took over that any one cared about the economic ramifications of a new MJOLNIR armor was being devoloped, despite the two prior armors being introduced at close to the exact same chronological time.