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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Really, I'll just point out something a friend did. In nearly every single case, the UNSC had to give up, flee, or destroy forerunner sites before they could actually study it.

Given how long it took them to reverse engineer freaking Jackal shield gauntlets, for them to have successfully reverse engineered several ship systems from forerunner tech alongside other things is stupid.

When the hell did they get working forerunner ships to reverse engineer the engines and weapon systems? You can't reverse engineer forerunner systems without that exact system. For them to be able to have a "forerunner enhanced slipspace drive" means they HAVE A FORERUNNER SLIPSPACE DRIVE to reverse engineer. Likewise, their most brilliant minds concerning the forerunners are missing or dead.

Seriously, I'm frankly positive most of us here aren't against the tech itself, or improvements. It's that it's post halo 3, Sol system is effectively in ruins. Humanities fleet is shattered. Suddenly, we have all this shiny brand new tech pulled out of ONI's ass with no explanation.

About Earth, given how Miranda describes the casualties as "extreme", and we know many major cities got bombarded... and last I check most key infrastructure is held within cities, I'd say it's probably in bad shape. Given that I assume the Mar's factories and shipyards got wrecked as well, I don't see why they should be able to produce new armors. Mark VI, as I know it, was already having prototypes out when mark V was, and thus only had to have final revisions. Likewise, very few suits were made. With this GEN2 armor, it's being mass produced for many Spartan IV's. Seeing as we hear that Gamma company will be offered to join the ranks, we must assume at least 300 suits can be made given if nearly all of Gamma survived.
This. I think both sides can agree on this.

The UNSC at this moment, cannot afford the amount of resources it seems to be spending on military.

It's like an RTS game. You just got demolished really badly, but the other team is now fighting among themselves (Great Schism and Elite civil conflicts).

Your economy is in tatters and you have a few strong infantry, and then a bunch of normal infantry. Your navy is in ruins, and your military isn't strong enough to take out the enemy.

So you could invest in military, but you wouldn't be able to train enough troops to defend the economy while it rebuilds.

You could invest in purely economy, but should the enemy come around to finish the job, you won't have enough troops to defend your economy.

So the most logical thing to do is slowly rebuild your economy, and invest in the military bit by bit. As your economy grows, you invest a bit in military.

A very slow process. In real life, it take more than 4 years...which is the gap between Halo 3 and 4 I think.

  • 06.23.2012 11:52 AM PDT

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If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?

Although, Cortana does state, at several points, that she's underestimated their understanding in Forerunner tech, perhaps implying that the Covenant are stupid, or that Forerunner tech actually is that hard to understand. Can't really tell which...

  • 06.23.2012 11:55 AM PDT

Spartan1995324, exactly. Unless you have another person to screen you, you can't devout all resources to military. Many SC2 games I've had where the base is gutted, but enough survive to rebuild.

If you try to blitz and make those badass fancy units, you'll just get tracked down and gutted again. However, if you work on stockpiling resources and securing your own location while steadily building back up... you are okay.

In terms of what I saw when I read glasslands... ONI is pulling battlecruisers out of their ass despite the mineral and gas count being low and the SVC numbers deadly low.


Posted by: the real Janaka
If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?

Although, Cortana does state, at several points, that she's underestimated their understanding in Forerunner tech, perhaps implying that the Covenant are stupid, or that Forerunner tech actually is that hard to understand. Can't really tell which...


If ONI was able to reverse engineer forerunner tech that quickly, without their best minds concerning the forerunners (Halsey, the scientist in Halo Wars), then why the heck did it take them many years to reverse engineer a jackal shield gauntlet?

  • 06.23.2012 12:02 PM PDT


Posted by: the real Janaka
If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?
It's been stated that Covenant technology is imitative, not innovative.

Basically they just try to copy Forerunner tech, unlike humans who have taken it and actually tried to make something new with it. Humans have taken the concepts behind this technology and applied it to what they have to make it better.

The Covenant just straight up copied, replacing what they didn't have with less advanced parts.

  • 06.23.2012 12:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: the real Janaka
If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?
It's been stated that Covenant technology is imitative, not innovative.

Basically they just try to copy Forerunner tech, unlike humans who have taken it and actually tried to make something new with it. Humans have taken the concepts behind this technology and applied it to what they have to make it better.

The Covenant just straight up copied, replacing what they didn't have with less advanced parts.

I know, I know, I'm just trying to stress the point that even if they copy mostly, they've had hundreds of years, whilst the ONI has had less than a decade to reverse engineer a slipspace drive...

I also feel like the Covenant are made out to be too stupid, which doesn't make much sense since Thel and R'Tas seemed quite bright, misled, but not retarded...


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: the real Janaka
If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?

Although, Cortana does state, at several points, that she's underestimated their understanding in Forerunner tech, perhaps implying that the Covenant are stupid, or that Forerunner tech actually is that hard to understand. Can't really tell which...


If ONI was able to reverse engineer forerunner tech that quickly, without their best minds concerning the forerunners (Halsey, the scientist in Halo Wars), then why the heck did it take them many years to reverse engineer a jackal shield gauntlet?
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense.

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Quick question here....

Have we really gotten a confirmation on how far in the future this is going to be?


I mean from what we can tell they decided to restart their peaceful exploration programs (they mention something like it having been 100 years since a UNSC vessel had be sent out for the purpose of discovering new worlds) which would indicate they probably had everything fixed up back home on earth....

Wouldn't that mean that their technology would be vastly superior to the previous spartans?

I mean sure, the SII have been raised to fight. But if you gave a battle hardened soldier (say even an SIII or ODST) some type of armour three or four times better then even the SII armour.....then wouldn't they in theory be stronger?

Maybe not as good of leaders as some of the SII, but they certainly could hold their own then.

  • 06.23.2012 12:28 PM PDT


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Posted by: the real Janaka
If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?
It's been stated that Covenant technology is imitative, not innovative.

Basically they just try to copy Forerunner tech, unlike humans who have taken it and actually tried to make something new with it. Humans have taken the concepts behind this technology and applied it to what they have to make it better.

The Covenant just straight up copied, replacing what they didn't have with less advanced parts.


To reverse engineer something, you MUST have the original tech. Therefore, for the UNSC to have improved their own slipspace drives with reverse engineered forerunner drives, that means they HAVE to have a forerunner slipspace drive.

  • 06.23.2012 12:28 PM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: the real Janaka
If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?
It's been stated that Covenant technology is imitative, not innovative.

Basically they just try to copy Forerunner tech, unlike humans who have taken it and actually tried to make something new with it. Humans have taken the concepts behind this technology and applied it to what they have to make it better.

The Covenant just straight up copied, replacing what they didn't have with less advanced parts.

I know, I know, I'm just trying to stress the point that even if they copy mostly, they've had hundreds of years, whilst the ONI has had less than a decade to reverse engineer a slipspace drive...

I also feel like the Covenant are made out to be too stupid, which doesn't make much sense since Thel and R'Tas seemed quite bright, misled, but not retarded...
The Elites placed much emphasises on being warriors. Scientists were not as appreciated as Warriors. Every Sangheili dreamed of being a great warrior. With the Prophets now in charge of science the Sangheili were free to become the warriors they wanted. The Prophets his the knowledge behind Forerunner tech so the rest of Covenant was kept in the dark for thousands of years.

They Elites are quite good with what they have, but not as great at creating new things. They've spent the past thousands year relying on the Prophets to create new tech for them.

  • 06.23.2012 12:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: the real Janaka
If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?
It's been stated that Covenant technology is imitative, not innovative.

Basically they just try to copy Forerunner tech, unlike humans who have taken it and actually tried to make something new with it. Humans have taken the concepts behind this technology and applied it to what they have to make it better.

The Covenant just straight up copied, replacing what they didn't have with less advanced parts.


To reverse engineer something, you MUST have the original tech. Therefore, for the UNSC to have improved their own slipspace drives with reverse engineered forerunner drives, that means they HAVE to have a forerunner slipspace drive.
I know. That's what bugs me. ONI pulled one out of their ass.

This is just the different approaches humans and the covenant have to technology. The problem is, it was never explained how ONI got their hands on a Forerunner Slipspace drive...

  • 06.23.2012 12:33 PM PDT


Posted by: jyrine
Quick question here....

Have we really gotten a confirmation on how far in the future this is going to be?


I mean from what we can tell they decided to restart their peaceful exploration programs (they mention something like it having been 100 years since a UNSC vessel had be sent out for the purpose of discovering new worlds) which would indicate they probably had everything fixed up back home on earth....

Wouldn't that mean that their technology would be vastly superior to the previous spartans?

I mean sure, the SII have been raised to fight. But if you gave a battle hardened soldier (say even an SIII or ODST) some type of armour three or four times better then even the SII armour.....then wouldn't they in theory be stronger?

Maybe not as good of leaders as some of the SII, but they certainly could hold their own then.
It's only been about 4 years since Halo 3... I thought it was common knowledge by this point.

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Posted by: jyrine
Quick question here....

Have we really gotten a confirmation on how far in the future this is going to be?


I mean from what we can tell they decided to restart their peaceful exploration programs (they mention something like it having been 100 years since a UNSC vessel had be sent out for the purpose of discovering new worlds) which would indicate they probably had everything fixed up back home on earth....

Wouldn't that mean that their technology would be vastly superior to the previous spartans?

I mean sure, the SII have been raised to fight. But if you gave a battle hardened soldier (say even an SIII or ODST) some type of armour three or four times better then even the SII armour.....then wouldn't they in theory be stronger?

Maybe not as good of leaders as some of the SII, but they certainly could hold their own then.
It's only been about 4 years since Halo 3... I thought it was common knowledge by this point.


Link? I must have missed something.

  • 06.23.2012 12:38 PM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: jyrine
Quick question here....

Have we really gotten a confirmation on how far in the future this is going to be?


I mean from what we can tell they decided to restart their peaceful exploration programs (they mention something like it having been 100 years since a UNSC vessel had be sent out for the purpose of discovering new worlds) which would indicate they probably had everything fixed up back home on earth....

Wouldn't that mean that their technology would be vastly superior to the previous spartans?

I mean sure, the SII have been raised to fight. But if you gave a battle hardened soldier (say even an SIII or ODST) some type of armour three or four times better then even the SII armour.....then wouldn't they in theory be stronger?

Maybe not as good of leaders as some of the SII, but they certainly could hold their own then.
It's only been about 4 years since Halo 3... I thought it was common knowledge by this point.


Link? I must have missed something.
Yeah it's Wikipedia but I'm not doing ALL the work for you.

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They're more like ODST IIs.

  • 06.23.2012 1:17 PM PDT


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I don't think he'll see them as insults to the Spartan title, I just don't think he'll see them as Spartan II's, even if their augmentations come close.
I think he'll treat them as any other non-spartan II squad-mate, he won't verbally lead them as much as he did the spartan II's, if at all, but putting more Spartans alongside Chief speaks for itself in terms of effectiveness.


Why would he treat them as "non-spartans"? The other Spartan II's treated the S3's as fellow Spartans.



I said non-Spartan II's.

  • 06.23.2012 2:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Flaming glacier
I said non-Spartan II's.


That isn't how the Spartan-IIs treated the Spartan-IIIs.

  • 06.23.2012 2:43 PM PDT


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Posted by: Flaming glacier
I said non-Spartan II's.


That isn't how the Spartan-IIs treated the Spartan-IIIs.

The other Spartan II's were't the ONLY Spartan II's left, as far as they knew.
Chief is, and his real friends growing up, the only ones he really grew up knowing (the other II's) are gone.
It wouldn't be a huge reach to say he has a level of respect for the Spartan II's that he simply can't have for anyone else, therefore he treats them slightly differently on the battlefield, putting more trust in them.
This is theoretical, but I believe it.

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Posted by: Spartan1995324

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If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?
It's been stated that Covenant technology is imitative, not innovative.

Basically they just try to copy Forerunner tech, unlike humans who have taken it and actually tried to make something new with it. Humans have taken the concepts behind this technology and applied it to what they have to make it better.

The Covenant just straight up copied, replacing what they didn't have with less advanced parts.

I know, I know, I'm just trying to stress the point that even if they copy mostly, they've had hundreds of years, whilst the ONI has had less than a decade to reverse engineer a slipspace drive...

I also feel like the Covenant are made out to be too stupid, which doesn't make much sense since Thel and R'Tas seemed quite bright, misled, but not retarded...
The Elites placed much emphasises on being warriors. Scientists were not as appreciated as Warriors. Every Sangheili dreamed of being a great warrior. With the Prophets now in charge of science the Sangheili were free to become the warriors they wanted. The Prophets his the knowledge behind Forerunner tech so the rest of Covenant was kept in the dark for thousands of years.

They Elites are quite good with what they have, but not as great at creating new things. They've spent the past thousands year relying on the Prophets to create new tech for them.


Now this is something I'd like light shed on, say through a game or novel. Back before the Covenant existed, the Elites and Prophets were at war with each other. Elites had superior fleets and superior military tactics and strength, but the Prophets had the advantage of understanding Forerunner technology and The Dreadnaught which absolutely decimated Sangheili fleets.

So what were pre-covenant sangheili like?

[Edited on 06.23.2012 3:07 PM PDT]

  • 06.23.2012 3:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Flaming glacier

The other Spartan II's were't the ONLY Spartan II's left, as far as they knew.



What does that have to do with treating the Spartan-IIIs are equals?

Chief is, and his real friends growing up, the only ones he really grew up knowing (the other II's) are gone.

Yet they do not treat others with contempt. Yes they have a bond, but his friends have shown they can extend said bond to others.

It wouldn't be a huge reach to say he has a level of respect for the Spartan II's that he simply can't have for anyone else, therefore he treats them slightly differently on the battlefield, putting more trust in them.

Why would Chief be that shallow?

  • 06.23.2012 3:08 PM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: the real Janaka
If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?
It's been stated that Covenant technology is imitative, not innovative.

Basically they just try to copy Forerunner tech, unlike humans who have taken it and actually tried to make something new with it. Humans have taken the concepts behind this technology and applied it to what they have to make it better.

The Covenant just straight up copied, replacing what they didn't have with less advanced parts.

I know, I know, I'm just trying to stress the point that even if they copy mostly, they've had hundreds of years, whilst the ONI has had less than a decade to reverse engineer a slipspace drive...

I also feel like the Covenant are made out to be too stupid, which doesn't make much sense since Thel and R'Tas seemed quite bright, misled, but not retarded...
The Elites placed much emphasises on being warriors. Scientists were not as appreciated as Warriors. Every Sangheili dreamed of being a great warrior. With the Prophets now in charge of science the Sangheili were free to become the warriors they wanted. The Prophets his the knowledge behind Forerunner tech so the rest of Covenant was kept in the dark for thousands of years.

They Elites are quite good with what they have, but not as great at creating new things. They've spent the past thousands year relying on the Prophets to create new tech for them.


Now this is something I'd like light shed on, say through a game or novel. Back before the Covenant existed, the Elites and Prophets were at war with each other. Elites had superior fleets and superior military tactics and strength, but the Prophets had the advantage of understanding Forerunner technology and The Dreadnaught which absolutely decimated Sangheili fleets.

So what were pre-covenant sangheili like?
They had to be fairly good a science because they achieved space travel on their own. They thought is was forbidden to use Forerunner tech.

However they haven't made their own technology for thousands of years because the Prophets have taken care of it. I don't think there are many, if any, Elites in this current generation that know much about science.

  • 06.23.2012 3:12 PM PDT


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Posted by: the real Janaka
If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?
It's been stated that Covenant technology is imitative, not innovative.

Basically they just try to copy Forerunner tech, unlike humans who have taken it and actually tried to make something new with it. Humans have taken the concepts behind this technology and applied it to what they have to make it better.

The Covenant just straight up copied, replacing what they didn't have with less advanced parts.

I know, I know, I'm just trying to stress the point that even if they copy mostly, they've had hundreds of years, whilst the ONI has had less than a decade to reverse engineer a slipspace drive...

I also feel like the Covenant are made out to be too stupid, which doesn't make much sense since Thel and R'Tas seemed quite bright, misled, but not retarded...


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: the real Janaka
If the ONI were able to reverse engineer Forerunner tech in that short of time; if it was that easy, how come the covenant, who had lots of Forerunner pieces for hundreds of years, weren't able to come further?

Although, Cortana does state, at several points, that she's underestimated their understanding in Forerunner tech, perhaps implying that the Covenant are stupid, or that Forerunner tech actually is that hard to understand. Can't really tell which...


If ONI was able to reverse engineer forerunner tech that quickly, without their best minds concerning the forerunners (Halsey, the scientist in Halo Wars), then why the heck did it take them many years to reverse engineer a jackal shield gauntlet?
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense.


The Covenant see tampering with Forerunner technology as being an insult. Trying to improve upon it counts as tampering.

The Arbiter is quite bright, as are his allies, but they're not scientists. Not all geniuses are scientists, and they had their religion holding them back to begin with.

As for energy shielding: IIRC, and I think I'm wrong, but Chief and his squad procured the Jackal defense gauntlents not too much earlier than Mk. V's shields were introduced. At the very least, I can tell you that Mk. V began devolopment in 2542. Exactly when they succesfully reverse engineered the shields no one knows. We only know when it was announced.

Anyway, aside from that: ONI has been studying Covenant technology for decades now. Covenant technology is basically a watered down version of Forerunner technology. Studying one is in effect studying the other. With that in mind, it isn't too difficult to believe that ONI would be able to so quickly understand Forerunner technology and if not improve upon it, at least duplicate it so you can start using it.

@first poster on page 4

No doubt that the UEG is also working on rebuilding after the war. That's what Infinity is being used for, finding new worlds on which to rebuild for future endeavors.

It's just that the story doesn't talk about rebuilding efforts that much because it is unnecessary to the plot. We know they're rebuilding, we don't need someone to tell us that. So yeah, they're investing into both.

To really say anything about it though we, again, would require a good understanding of how the UEG's Space Economy works. As we don't, we shouldn't let it worry us too much.

  • 06.23.2012 5:24 PM PDT

What does that have to do with treating the Spartan-IIIs are equals?

That when Chief became the only Spartan II he lost basically the only others he could see eye to eye with on multiple levels, therefore he may not treat the Spartans III or IV the same way he treats the II's.

Yet they do not treat others with contempt. Yes they have a bond, but his friends have shown they can extend said bond to others.

They have shown they, but being the last of his kind it's understandable to think that Chief, whilst being about to form a battlefield bond, would not be able to form a bond as strong as that with his Spartan II comrades.

Why would Chief be that shallow?

It's not shallow at all, he grew up from a child with the other Spartan II's, he lived and died beside them, and they're the only other soldiers who were, on the battlefield, close to his equal. It does not make him at all shallow to say that, whilst he holds great respect for the men and women he fights beside, that respect simply isn't as great as that he holds for the other II's.

  • 06.23.2012 6:14 PM PDT


Posted by: jyrine
I mean from what we can tell they decided to restart their peaceful exploration programs (they mention something like it having been 100 years since a UNSC vessel had be sent out for the purpose of discovering new worlds) which would indicate they probably had everything fixed up back home on earth....


That's ONI propaganda. The Infinity is pure warship built in secret by ONI.

Edit: About the shallow business. It seems to me you are coming across as *Chief looks at a marine, goes "Meh, he isn't a Spartan II", mostly ignores and doesn't respect, because the marine isn't as good as a Spartan II and isn't anybody he trained with.*

When reality is, Spartans don't give a -blam!- enough to HAVE those kind of attitudes. Reality is, he'd probably go "Marine, can't take as much damage as I can." instead of "He isn't a Spartan II. -respect." That attitude is more like the helljumper viewpoint then the Spartan viewpoints we've gotten.

Hell, Chief and JOHNSON, a marine, became good friends and respected each other from Reach to Johnson's death. Johnson wasn't a Spartan II.

[Edited on 06.23.2012 7:33 PM PDT]

  • 06.23.2012 7:30 PM PDT

When reality is, Spartans don't give a -blam!- enough to HAVE those kind of attitudes. Reality is, he'd probably go "Marine, can't take as much damage as I can." instead of "He isn't a Spartan II. -respect." That attitude is more like the helljumper viewpoint then the Spartan viewpoints we've gotten.

I don't necessarily mean he has less respect than usual for a marine, just a certain, very heightened level of respect for the II's he grew up with.
I think that growing up with them, them being the only ones like him in history would give him a level of respect for them that either no other, or a very rare other could reach.

Hell, Chief and JOHNSON, a marine, became good friends and respected each other from Reach to Johnson's death. Johnson wasn't a Spartan II.

Yeah, but I still think that even if he wasn't that much of a friend for a certain Spartan II he'd have a level of respect for that Spartan II that he wouldn't have for Johnson.

  • 06.23.2012 7:42 PM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
Well it does against the history of Spartans to become a Spartan when you're in your adulthood..... so I agree too. I think it is simply the end product of the Spartan initiative to allow augmentations to be performed on adults but it comes at the expense of expertise, skill and experience. A S-II or S-III would mop the floor with any S-IV, unless 343i introduce some lame new augmentation that simply allows S-IVs to be "even betterer!" than previous Spartans.

That would annoy me.

I really hope that S-IVs are acknowledged as inferior to S-IIs and S-IIIs in some aspects and superior in others, that would make more sense to me.
The Spartan IV Program mirrors the failed Spartan I Orion Program which (SURPRISE SURPRISE) used ADULT soldiers. Johnson is the only Spartan I we know of I believe.

  • 06.23.2012 7:44 PM PDT


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Posted by: flamedude
Well it does against the history of Spartans to become a Spartan when you're in your adulthood..... so I agree too. I think it is simply the end product of the Spartan initiative to allow augmentations to be performed on adults but it comes at the expense of expertise, skill and experience. A S-II or S-III would mop the floor with any S-IV, unless 343i introduce some lame new augmentation that simply allows S-IVs to be "even betterer!" than previous Spartans.

That would annoy me.

I really hope that S-IVs are acknowledged as inferior to S-IIs and S-IIIs in some aspects and superior in others, that would make more sense to me.
The Spartan IV Program mirrors the failed Spartan I Orion Program which (SURPRISE SURPRISE) used ADULT soldiers. Johnson is the only Spartan I we know of I believe.


Mendez is rumored to be one, and the other Sergeant in contact Harvest is confirmed to be one as I recall.

  • 06.23.2012 8:07 PM PDT