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Subject: Does anyone else refuse to accept the Halo:Reach story as canon?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Thank you both for the replies, but I've got one more question. Why keep the fleet in the dark and let the Covenant have their way with Reach for so long? I understand that the planet was being used by ONI for RED FLAG, but if that's true it makes no sense why when the Fleet of Particular Justice arrived they would sacrifice the entire Epsilon Erandi Fleet for an already-deemed doomed planet. And even if that was a part of RED FLAG, where was the PoA headed for before the fleet was recalled? And perhaps most importantly, why weren't they told this was all part of the plan so Keyes wouldn't send the S2s away on other missions?

There reaches (lolpun) a point where I have to step back and wonder

1.) If 343i is trying to fix a story Bungie broke by adding in additional, new material (e.g. the Data Drops)

2.) Why Eric Nylund's simple, yet satisfying story was morphed in with all these new changes which create, what I feel, is an overall weaker story, without any explanation for the fans

[Edited on 06.23.2012 9:11 PM PDT]

  • 06.23.2012 9:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: SurreallFeal
When Halo Reach came out, the entire battle is on a much smaller scale, and simply doesn't feel as good. I understand that Nylund's version wouldn't make for much of a campaign, but at least the story is excellent. The Reach campaign just moves around too much and I can't seem to get myself to enjoy it.


The battle is not entirely on a smaller scale. THINK, you are seeing ONE person's viewpoint of it. You think Chief was part of every inch of fighting on New Mombasa? No. The entire city was in fighting. Chief hardly did anything in it.

Same thing applies here. The battle is big, but Noble Six isn't involved in EVERY, SINGLE, aspect of it.

Heck, if we go by the book, then the UNSC ground forces were hardly mobilized, and the Covenant literally overrun them without a problem. Would you rather play that?


Posted by: Sigma617

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Fan refusal of anything doesn't mean much.


Look what's happening to Mass Effect 3.

If us Halo fans weren't so lazy we would have gotten a similar thing.


Bar the fact 343 already released things to clear up the final major canon conflicts?



Posted by: Gottalovec4
Yup. I don't even register Noble Team or Noble 6 as being canon. Dreadful characters.

And since 343i already brought out a few excuses for how Bungie's turd fit's in with thousands of pages and images of already existing canon. I don't even have to think of Reach as canon. I can accept Nylund's version and still enjoy the later games.


Dreadful how, and merely because you don't like it doesn't make the game story -blam!-. There are plenty who don't mind, or even like it. Hell I prefer it because you know, the UNSC ground forces ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING. In the book, Reach's ground forces seem to have nothing, never mobilized and just got steamrolled into the ground. It's major locations overrun without difficulty.

I can accept both the game and the book as canon. Neither is 100% utterly true, but neither outright goes "That one isn't saying the truth." Hell, IIRC, the re-released Fall of Reach book has Halsey mention specifically a line which points at the Reach events occurring something like "The Covenant arrived in full force today." and something about "I'd know more then you about that." *concerning Covenant attacks on Reach*



Dreadful because every single Noble Team character was a one sided cardboard cutout. And Emile and Jun never mattered to the story anyway. The only interesting character was Jorge, who was really just Kurt as a character and died before we got to know anything about him. And no, that quote isn't in the new Fall of Reach, because I've read it 5 times. The only thing they changed was the typo saying Reach was in 2542.

And actually, considering it was supposed to be a HUMAN story of the loss of Reach and the death of millions, watching the UNSC get crushed would DO just that.

I just think of Halo Reach as an ONI vid created for propaganda, that way I can enjoy how it actually happened in FoR.

  • 06.23.2012 9:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: TedToaster22

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Thank you both for the replies, but I've got one more question. Why keep the fleet in the dark and let the Covenant have their way with Reach for so long? I understand that the planet was being used by ONI for RED FLAG, but if that's true it makes no sense why when the Fleet of Particular Justice arrived they would sacrifice the entire Epsilon Erandi Fleet for an already-deemed doomed planet. And even if that was a part of RED FLAG, where was the PoA headed for before the fleet was recalled? And perhaps most importantly, why weren't they told this was all part of the plan so Keyes wouldn't send the S2s away on other missions?

There reaches (lolpun) a point where I have to step back and wonder

1.) If 343i is trying to fix a story Bungie broke by adding in additional, new material (e.g. the Data Drops)

2.) Why Eric Nylund's simple, yet satisfying story was morphed in with all these new changes which create, what I feel, is an overall weaker story, without any explanation for the fans


Nylund had input on Reach's development as far as I'm aware (or at least on Dr. Halsey's journal). ONI still thought they could finish Operation RED FLAG even without the super carrier, they just needed another ship.

  • 06.23.2012 9:29 PM PDT

Because, Parangosky is an IDIOT. According to the data drops, her and her other admiral friend got mad when the army destroyed the Long Night of Solace, because they had NO IDEA ONI was going to try to capture it.

ONI kept everybody in the dark so their plan could continue as predicted, and it backfired heavily. And to sell the deception they had to keep the fleet there so the Covenant would take the bait.


About the quote, I never said it was word for word, and people who also read the reprints informed me of the change. Perhaps you've read it recently and can deny that, or anybody else with the reprint Fall of Reach. But I remember clearly being told some of Halsey's lines got changed, and the manner of the change directly hints toward Halo Reach events.

Edit: I highly doubt that was the ONLY change concerning battle of Reach.

As for Jun and Emile, as I like to think recently. If they didn't matter so much, then why not just remove them? Oh wait, if you just *yoink* them out of the story, gaps are there.

Humanity still lost. Unless you think you know, New Alexandria and the mission before it magically never happened. The book is good for the space version, the game the ground version. Unless you buy that the UNSC military stronghold of Reach DIDN'T MOBILIZE ANY GROUND FORCES UPON COVENANT ATTACKING.

Seriously, they didn't mobilize any forces at all. UNSC command, and the primary armory were overrun within 2 hours, by a severly depleted Covenant landing force. (IIRC, Thousands of dropships got turned into hundreds, yet all these top priority UNSC structures got overwhelmed within hours?)

When did the Covenant regroup? Figure out what they had? Figure out where the hell they had to go? It's like the UNSC placed bright neon signs over their more important buildings, and had all the guards go party. UNSC aircraft could've ripped into those dropships and depleted the numbers further, yet UNSC air support is never once mentioned bar a single bombing run. UNSC ground forces are likewise, rarely mentioned. Already built defenses are non-existent, AA isn't around, and the Super MAC generator bunkers are described as being "The permacrete (Ithink) is still fully drying". Aka, wasn't even there until they went "Oh-blam!- rush to make a bunker!" Given the fact the UNSC regularly STOMPED the covenant on the ground, it's facepalm worthy.

[Edited on 06.23.2012 9:51 PM PDT]

  • 06.23.2012 9:44 PM PDT

Wasn't it confirmed that Reach's campaign was merely a retelling of eye witness accounts, surveillance footage, and other sources not directly from Noble Team?

  • 06.23.2012 9:49 PM PDT


Posted by: X Delta Xero X
Wasn't it confirmed that Reach's campaign was merely a retelling of eye witness accounts, surveillance footage, and other sources not directly from Noble Team?
Well it's not like they could get a direct quote or anything from Noble Team. They're all, except for Jun who may or may not be alive.

  • 06.23.2012 9:58 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Considering how Auntie Dot was connected to Noble Team at all times, ONI would know exactly what went on at all times.

  • 06.23.2012 10:06 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: X Delta Xero X
Wasn't it confirmed that Reach's campaign was merely a retelling of eye witness accounts, surveillance footage, and other sources not directly from Noble Team?
Well it's not like they could get a direct quote or anything from Noble Team. They're all, except for Jun who may or may not be alive.


But we'll never know because instead of taking about all of five minutes and going "Jun got Halsey to castle base, then disappeared while fighting the Covenant to let her get inside/luring them away." they went "Nope, we'll never actually finish that piece of lore."

Hence my statements that anything they haven't explicitly said they'll answer, 343 has gone "f-that" to actually dealing with. (Spirit of fire, grey team, black team, Buck's squad).


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Considering how Auntie Dot was connected to Noble Team at all times, ONI would know exactly what went on at all times.


And helm cams from the Spartans who didn't lose their helms/get it damaged. They might not have 100% of the answers, but they'd have a lot of what happened.

  • 06.23.2012 10:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: TedToaster22
For example, think of how interconnected our world is today. Someone explain to me how ONI was able to keep people on the planet ignorant of the invasion up to August 30th, after 500 years of additional communications technology advancement.


No matter the technological advancements, if the media didn't want you to know about all the plights and wars in Africa, you wouldn't have a clue.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Fan refusal of anything doesn't mean much.


This. Bungie did it, it was at that time, their baby, so they can dress it how they want to.

  • 06.23.2012 10:22 PM PDT


Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: TedToaster22
For example, think of how interconnected our world is today. Someone explain to me how ONI was able to keep people on the planet ignorant of the invasion up to August 30th, after 500 years of additional communications technology advancement.


No matter the technological advancements, if the media didn't want you to know about all the plights and wars in Africa, you wouldn't have a clue.


Does ONI control the UNSC media? I suppose it's plausible, since they're under an emergency military government, but I'd think regular citizens would be pissed, especially since they, up until the battle of Earth, think all the fighting as been in the Outer Colonies.

  • 06.24.2012 6:55 AM PDT


Posted by: X Delta Xero X
Wasn't it confirmed that Reach's campaign was merely a retelling of eye witness accounts, surveillance footage, and other sources not directly from Noble Team?


No that's just desperate fans trying desperately to rationalize Reach's "story."

OT: Unfortunately I have to consider it canon. I'd much prefer not too, but I have too. I just find it difficult since it voids a lot of what happened in reach, as well as in some senses makes the rest of the story following it impossible, as we understand it.

  • 06.24.2012 7:14 AM PDT

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I agree, I figured Bungie would have at least went with it a little, but I do like the story and message behind Halo: Reach, but if they had based it on The Fall of Reach, that would have made it even better. (Though I still don't like the fact of Spartan IIIs on Reach, that makes no sense at all.)
I did enjoy the game, and even though it didn't go with Eric's version, it was still good. But I loved the Bungie/343i message they put through the end.

  • 06.24.2012 9:34 AM PDT

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What I'm reading is pretty much:
Reach sucked cause it depicted the space war horribly.
And...
TFoR sucked cause it depicted ground combat horribly.

I have to agree with both of these statements, but from my point of view it is criminal to change canon. Criminal. I should not be done, even if it supposedly improves something. You'll just have to live with it.

So when I -blam!- about not wanting Reach to be canon, I do so mostly cause I don't want to see something similar in the future. It's more about the concept.

The story in TFoR was way better told also. The game had such a boring plot. I guess mostly cause it actally was two plots; first the slipspace bomb, and secondly Cortana. It felt really unfocused. Go all in on one plot instead of two halfassed.

[Edited on 06.24.2012 10:03 AM PDT]

  • 06.24.2012 9:58 AM PDT


Posted by: the real Janaka
What I'm reading is pretty much:
Reach sucked cause it depicted the space war horribly.
And...
TFoR sucked cause it depicted ground combat horribly.

And First Strike goes into the ground war in more detail, which shores up what the original book lacked.

  • 06.24.2012 10:11 AM PDT

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  • 06.24.2012 11:10 AM PDT


Posted by: TedToaster22

Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: TedToaster22
For example, think of how interconnected our world is today. Someone explain to me how ONI was able to keep people on the planet ignorant of the invasion up to August 30th, after 500 years of additional communications technology advancement.


No matter the technological advancements, if the media didn't want you to know about all the plights and wars in Africa, you wouldn't have a clue.


Does ONI control the UNSC media? I suppose it's plausible, since they're under an emergency military government, but I'd think regular citizens would be pissed, especially since they, up until the battle of Earth, think all the fighting as been in the Outer Colonies.


They control what goes into it concerning the covenant. At least, most of that.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: X Delta Xero X
Wasn't it confirmed that Reach's campaign was merely a retelling of eye witness accounts, surveillance footage, and other sources not directly from Noble Team?


No that's just desperate fans trying desperately to rationalize Reach's "story."

OT: Unfortunately I have to consider it canon. I'd much prefer not too, but I have too. I just find it difficult since it voids a lot of what happened in reach, as well as in some senses makes the rest of the story following it impossible, as we understand it.


"Says it voids most of the book."

"343 and bungie both say otherwise."

While you may call use who don't stomp and rage at Reach "Desperate fans foolishly trying to rationalize it." I call those who do stomp at rage at it AND stomp at rage at us who do like it "Desperate fans who wanted a carbon copy of the book, which, IIRC, Bungie outright said during development that Halo Reach was NOT going to cover the Spartan II's on Reach, and their battles."

I've yet to see HOW it makes the rest of Halo canon impossible to understand.


Posted by: SurreallFeal

Posted by: the real Janaka
What I'm reading is pretty much:
Reach sucked cause it depicted the space war horribly.
And...
TFoR sucked cause it depicted ground combat horribly.

And First Strike goes into the ground war in more detail, which shores up what the original book lacked.


First Strike also maintained that the UNSC ground forces and bases on Reach fell as if it was a rush/blitz tactic used by the Covenant and they were completely unaware it was coming. Which is false as they had at least what, a few hours minimum in the Fall of Reach?

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Posted by: Sigma617

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Fan refusal of anything doesn't mean much.


Look what's happening to Mass Effect 3.

If us Halo fans weren't so lazy we would have gotten a similar thing.


Except us Mass Effect fans only got a dickslap for our rallying cries. The Extended Cut doesn't change their original ending, but merely explains some things.

Basically all they did was fill a few potholes in the road with gravel.

  • 06.24.2012 1:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Sandtrap

Posted by: Sigma617

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Fan refusal of anything doesn't mean much.


Look what's happening to Mass Effect 3.

If us Halo fans weren't so lazy we would have gotten a similar thing.


Except us Mass Effect fans only got a dickslap for our rallying cries. The Extended Cut doesn't change their original ending, but merely explains some things.

Basically all they did was fill a few potholes in the road with gravel.


And as others said, ME3 legit did not produce what was said to be produce.

  • 06.24.2012 1:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Meh, I take more the novel as canon.

  • 06.24.2012 2:25 PM PDT
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It's canon makes more sense than the book's.

  • 06.24.2012 5:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: TedToaster22

Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: TedToaster22
For example, think of how interconnected our world is today. Someone explain to me how ONI was able to keep people on the planet ignorant of the invasion up to August 30th, after 500 years of additional communications technology advancement.


No matter the technological advancements, if the media didn't want you to know about all the plights and wars in Africa, you wouldn't have a clue.


Does ONI control the UNSC media? I suppose it's plausible, since they're under an emergency military government, but I'd think regular citizens would be pissed, especially since they, up until the battle of Earth, think all the fighting as been in the Outer Colonies.


Section Two is the one tasked with media managing, said section was the one that made the Spartan II program become public to improve morale and also tweaked the information regarding the war to make it look less severe (false reports, making the scenery less brutal with image manipulation, etc).

  • 06.24.2012 5:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Sandtrap

Posted by: Sigma617

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Fan refusal of anything doesn't mean much.


Look what's happening to Mass Effect 3.

If us Halo fans weren't so lazy we would have gotten a similar thing.


Except us Mass Effect fans only got a dickslap for our rallying cries. The Extended Cut doesn't change their original ending, but merely explains some things.

Basically all they did was fill a few potholes in the road with gravel.
What was most disappointing for me was that they turned the Reapers, a race of sentient starships that had a mysterious goal that organic minds can't comprehend, into something stupid that's EASILY comprehendable by even the stupidest mind.

  • 06.24.2012 6:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Because, Parangosky is an IDIOT. According to the data drops, her and her other admiral friend got mad when the army destroyed the Long Night of Solace, because they had NO IDEA ONI was going to try to capture it.

ONI kept everybody in the dark so their plan could continue as predicted, and it backfired heavily. And to sell the deception they had to keep the fleet there so the Covenant would take the bait.


About the quote, I never said it was word for word, and people who also read the reprints informed me of the change. Perhaps you've read it recently and can deny that, or anybody else with the reprint Fall of Reach. But I remember clearly being told some of Halsey's lines got changed, and the manner of the change directly hints toward Halo Reach events.

Edit: I highly doubt that was the ONLY change concerning battle of Reach.

As for Jun and Emile, as I like to think recently. If they didn't matter so much, then why not just remove them? Oh wait, if you just *yoink* them out of the story, gaps are there.

Humanity still lost. Unless you think you know, New Alexandria and the mission before it magically never happened. The book is good for the space version, the game the ground version. Unless you buy that the UNSC military stronghold of Reach DIDN'T MOBILIZE ANY GROUND FORCES UPON COVENANT ATTACKING.

Seriously, they didn't mobilize any forces at all. UNSC command, and the primary armory were overrun within 2 hours, by a severly depleted Covenant landing force. (IIRC, Thousands of dropships got turned into hundreds, yet all these top priority UNSC structures got overwhelmed within hours?)

When did the Covenant regroup? Figure out what they had? Figure out where the hell they had to go? It's like the UNSC placed bright neon signs over their more important buildings, and had all the guards go party. UNSC aircraft could've ripped into those dropships and depleted the numbers further, yet UNSC air support is never once mentioned bar a single bombing run. UNSC ground forces are likewise, rarely mentioned. Already built defenses are non-existent, AA isn't around, and the Super MAC generator bunkers are described as being "The permacrete (Ithink) is still fully drying". Aka, wasn't even there until they went "Oh-blam!- rush to make a bunker!" Given the fact the UNSC regularly STOMPED the covenant on the ground, it's facepalm worthy.



1. No, you REALLY can yank Emile and Jun out of the story. What did they accomplish/ The levels you have them as squadmates: Nightfall and PoA, they don't do jack.

2. In the BOOK Reach fell in a day in a half. It took the Army WEEKS and MONTHS to moblilize the US Army and Marine Corps in Desert Storm and even in Iraqi Freedom. You can't just MAGICALLY outfit thousands of Marines, vehicles, and aircraft in 20 minutes.

3. It's kind of hard to set up a command structure when thousands of 8 foot tall aliens are literally IN your command structure. Its like trying to set up a fire brigade to put out a fire across the state when a volcano has suddenly appeared in the firestation.

4. Yeah, thats how it is in the US Military too dude. there aren't exactly M1 ABRAMS parked in front of the Pentagon. The UNSC shares US military docterine of off shore bases to protect the mainland with Reach being the mainland. Its just like why the US Navy didn't happen to have all it's fighters scrambled on Dec 7th 1941.

Reach was pooop. FoR was gooood.

  • 06.24.2012 6:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gottalovec4

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Because, Parangosky is an IDIOT. According to the data drops, her and her other admiral friend got mad when the army destroyed the Long Night of Solace, because they had NO IDEA ONI was going to try to capture it.

ONI kept everybody in the dark so their plan could continue as predicted, and it backfired heavily. And to sell the deception they had to keep the fleet there so the Covenant would take the bait.


About the quote, I never said it was word for word, and people who also read the reprints informed me of the change. Perhaps you've read it recently and can deny that, or anybody else with the reprint Fall of Reach. But I remember clearly being told some of Halsey's lines got changed, and the manner of the change directly hints toward Halo Reach events.

Edit: I highly doubt that was the ONLY change concerning battle of Reach.

As for Jun and Emile, as I like to think recently. If they didn't matter so much, then why not just remove them? Oh wait, if you just *yoink* them out of the story, gaps are there.

Humanity still lost. Unless you think you know, New Alexandria and the mission before it magically never happened. The book is good for the space version, the game the ground version. Unless you buy that the UNSC military stronghold of Reach DIDN'T MOBILIZE ANY GROUND FORCES UPON COVENANT ATTACKING.

Seriously, they didn't mobilize any forces at all. UNSC command, and the primary armory were overrun within 2 hours, by a severly depleted Covenant landing force. (IIRC, Thousands of dropships got turned into hundreds, yet all these top priority UNSC structures got overwhelmed within hours?)

When did the Covenant regroup? Figure out what they had? Figure out where the hell they had to go? It's like the UNSC placed bright neon signs over their more important buildings, and had all the guards go party. UNSC aircraft could've ripped into those dropships and depleted the numbers further, yet UNSC air support is never once mentioned bar a single bombing run. UNSC ground forces are likewise, rarely mentioned. Already built defenses are non-existent, AA isn't around, and the Super MAC generator bunkers are described as being "The permacrete (Ithink) is still fully drying". Aka, wasn't even there until they went "Oh-blam!- rush to make a bunker!" Given the fact the UNSC regularly STOMPED the covenant on the ground, it's facepalm worthy.



1. No, you REALLY can yank Emile and Jun out of the story. What did they accomplish/ The levels you have them as squadmates: Nightfall and PoA, they don't do jack.

2. In the BOOK Reach fell in a day in a half. It took the Army WEEKS and MONTHS to moblilize the US Army and Marine Corps in Desert Storm and even in Iraqi Freedom. You can't just MAGICALLY outfit thousands of Marines, vehicles, and aircraft in 20 minutes.

3. It's kind of hard to set up a command structure when thousands of 8 foot tall aliens are literally IN your command structure. Its like trying to set up a fire brigade to put out a fire across the state when a volcano has suddenly appeared in the firestation.

4. Yeah, thats how it is in the US Military too dude. there aren't exactly M1 ABRAMS parked in front of the Pentagon. The UNSC shares US military docterine of off shore bases to protect the mainland with Reach being the mainland. Its just like why the US Navy didn't happen to have all it's fighters scrambled on Dec 7th 1941.

Reach was pooop. FoR was gooood.


You can't compare a country with an entire planet (Which by the way is the military hub of humanity). Apparently, it is more important to the UNSC to just dish out their ODSTS, anti-tank mines and Skyhawks with four 50mm cannons against a single spartan than to defend the planet from hundreds of dropships (which to be honest is not enough troopers to really overrun Reach if we do some math).

Bungie even released data about how much manpower Reach had (during 2550)

Military Power: Reach (excerpt from CAA FACTBOOK [l.update 1.5.2550])

Total Available Military Manpower: 385,421,100
Total Land Assets: 58,430
Total Naval Assets: 1,209 (T); 75 (X)
Total Air Assets: 11,050
Serviceable Airports: 1,246
Defense Budget: cR. 38,287,000,000 [2548]


While Earth is rightly seen as the UNSC's commercial, political, and cultural center; Reach is undeniably the hub of its military power.

The Eridani fleet is a full strength Carrier Group with the supercarrier UNSC Trafalgar at its core. The planet itself has a semi mobile array of 20 Orbital Defense Platforms, and they are in turn defended by multiple wings of single ships and tactical multi-role craft.


All of that, overrun in a couple of hours? Are you kidding me? Let's not forget that the Covenant already knew where ALL the important places were located the moment they jumped into the system, which without Reach's explanation makes them out to be mystic aliens whom are omnipotent.

The fact is, The Fall of Reach's invasion was pretty unrealistic to be honest.

  • 06.24.2012 6:46 PM PDT