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Subject: Does anyone else refuse to accept the Halo:Reach story as canon?

If you cannot provide proof or simply cannot provide a rational, logical argument then don't say anything at all.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Um... Jorge's armor is Mark V. The mark's are labeled by what the armor can do. Since his armor has shields, it can be called mark V. It's not very outdated or inferior.


First off, I applaud you good sir. You know your stuff and it's fair to say I should go back and read a few things. However; I think I have you on this one. How was all of Noble team wearing Mark V when the armor is near impossible to wear without the augmentations of the Spartan II program? Aside from George I think the rest of the team would have a bit of a problem doing this. Now, I know that Spartan III program used almost the same augmentations as the Spartan II program, but the only one that was not given to Spartan III's is the one that alters Bone and Muscle structure. Which leads to another question (If the Halo wiki is not lying to me. I really should read Ghosts of Onyx again or find my Halopedia) How is Noble six able to survive the Fall in Long Night of Solace or flip tanks for that matter? Matter of fact, even if they can wear Mark V, how does a falcon support them? Even with just two of them in a falcon that would be over 2000 pounds! My ultimate question though, what was in the case George throws to the ground at the beginning of LNoS? It seems so important to the mission and then it's totally forgotten!

[Edited on 07.28.2012 12:56 AM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: CrazyHUNTER 95

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Um... Jorge's armor is Mark V. The mark's are labeled by what the armor can do. Since his armor has shields, it can be called mark V. It's not very outdated or inferior.


First off, I applaud you good sir. You know your stuff and it's fair to say I should go back and read a few things. However; I think I have you on this one. How was all of Noble team wearing Mark V when the armor is near impossible to wear without the augmentations of the Spartan II program? Aside from George I think the rest of the team would have a bit of a problem doing this. Now, I know that Spartan III program used almost the same augmentations as the Spartan II program, but the only one that was not given to Spartan III's is the one that alters Bone and Muscle structure. Which leads to another question (If the Halo wiki is not lying to me. I really should read Ghosts of Onyx again or find my Halopedia) How is Noble six able to survive the Fall in Long Night of Solace or flip tanks for that matter? Matter of fact, even if they can wear Mark V, how does a falcon support them? Even with just two of them in a falcon that would be over 2000 pounds! My ultimate question though, what was in the case George throws to the ground at the beginning of LNoS? It seems so important to the mission and then it's totally forgotten!



It isn't that he knows his stuff (which he does) it is just that you are using halopedian as a source which is obviously not working for you.


The spartan IIIs got the same "augmentations" they were only missing one or two and those weren't needed for the armor. He survives the fall because had a T pack IIRC not to mention they lock their armor in so it won't cause much damage along with a few other things. Flipping tanks is gameplay, IRRC the falcon can support 4 at a time hence why they split up in the first mission.

We will never know, most of us assumed it was his gun but i am not to sure.

  • 07.28.2012 2:57 AM PDT

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reach is canon much more than the novels deal with it
Posted by: SurreallFeal
I remember I first read Eric Nylund's The Fall of Reach when I was about 7. I remember being in love with that story, even though I didn't even entirely understand a lot of it. Since then I have read the book COUNTLESS times. Now I can recognize that the writing style and general mechanics aren't all that impressive, and some parts that could be amazing with more details and elaboration, but the story itself is amazing. When Halo Reach came out, the entire battle is on a much smaller scale, and simply doesn't feel as good. I understand that Nylund's version wouldn't make for much of a campaign, but at least the story is excellent. The Reach campaign just moves around too much and I can't seem to get myself to enjoy it.

I have heard that the events of a video game override books in terms of what is canon, but I can't bring myself to accept the game's story. Does anyone else feel this way?

  • 07.28.2012 2:59 PM PDT

The only augmentation not shared between the S2 and S3 programs (in some form) was the thyroid implant. It was what caused the S2's to become much taller then other humans IIRC.

As for the box. I'd wager it was his gun. Or something that in general wasn't really needed for the upcoming mission. Who knows.

  • 07.28.2012 3:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: BestSpartan117
reach is canon much more than the novels deal with it


Would you like to repeat this in a comprehensive form of the wonderful English language?

Anyways, no there is no schism between whether something is 'more canon' than something else. That died when 343i took over and made all forms of additional media 'equal', thus both TFOR and Halo: Reach are equally canonical sources.

  • 07.28.2012 3:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307

Anyways, no there is no schism between whether something is 'more canon' than something else. That died when 343i took over and made all forms of additional media 'equal', thus both TFOR and Halo: Reach are equally canonical sources.


Source? Based on few sources, it is only happening for future book typing with new trilogy, not old one. Based on few sources, they are still going for old bungie's policy.

  • 07.28.2012 3:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: ajw34307

Anyways, no there is no schism between whether something is 'more canon' than something else. That died when 343i took over and made all forms of additional media 'equal', thus both TFOR and Halo: Reach are equally canonical sources.


Source? Based on few sources, it is only happening for future book typing with new trilogy, not old one. Based on few sources, they are still going for old bungie's policy.


I'm inclined to agree with this statement right here...I don't think whatever 343i's new policy, if they even have one, would apply to works that have already been done and were published when Bungie was running the show. I'm pretty sure that only 343i's works would fall under whatever policy they have...or relations between their new stuff and old stuff.

  • 07.28.2012 7:35 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: ajw34307

Anyways, no there is no schism between whether something is 'more canon' than something else. That died when 343i took over and made all forms of additional media 'equal', thus both TFOR and Halo: Reach are equally canonical sources.


Source? Based on few sources, it is only happening for future book typing with new trilogy, not old one. Based on few sources, they are still going for old bungie's policy.


I'm inclined to agree with this statement right here...I don't think whatever 343i's new policy, if they even have one, would apply to works that have already been done and were published when Bungie was running the show. I'm pretty sure that only 343i's works would fall under whatever policy they have...or relations between their new stuff and old stuff.


Until they officially state it somewhere... we can't say for sure.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: ajw34307

Anyways, no there is no schism between whether something is 'more canon' than something else. That died when 343i took over and made all forms of additional media 'equal', thus both TFOR and Halo: Reach are equally canonical sources.


Source? Based on few sources, it is only happening for future book typing with new trilogy, not old one. Based on few sources, they are still going for old bungie's policy.


I'm inclined to agree with this statement right here...I don't think whatever 343i's new policy, if they even have one, would apply to works that have already been done and were published when Bungie was running the show. I'm pretty sure that only 343i's works would fall under whatever policy they have...or relations between their new stuff and old stuff.


Until they officially state it somewhere... we can't say for sure.

I'm sure they have some hard rule for canon buried somewhere in an interview or document, but I have yet to see it. They will probably come out with a more official statement if many contradictions start to pop up or they start putting out much more material. As it is, I agree with Coma and Elder (good to see you again, by the way, Coma) that 343i's policy should only affect material produced by 343i. If we apply policies to material made under a different one, things can get confusing.

The idea of canon hierarchies always seems a bit odd to me. I don't think one story should be able to overwrite another just because of how it was told. I think that everything should be considered a valid view of the universe, to put one view over another seems like an insult to the authors and artists who slaved over their work only to have it be declared invalid.

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  • 07.28.2012 8:24 PM PDT

gooby pls

Ask Bungie.
If they say it is canon... it is infact canon whether you like it or not.

  • 07.28.2012 8:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999
I'm sure they have some hard rule for canon buried somewhere in an interview or document, but I have yet to see it. They will probably come out with a more official statement if many contradictions start to pop up or they start putting out much more material. As it is, I agree with Coma and Elder (good to see you again, by the way, Coma) that 343i's policy should only affect material produced by 343i. If we apply policies to material made under a different one, things can get confusing.

The idea of canon hierarchies always seems a bit odd to me. I don't think one story should be able to overwrite another just because of how it was told. I think that everything should be considered a valid view of the universe, to put one view over another seems like an insult to the authors and artists who slaved over their work only to have it be declared invalid.


They might, I never heard or saw it though, so if they do have one it's unknown to me. For me personally I still go by Bungie's method of sorting things, if it's newer material or something straight from horse's mouth so to speak (IE something Bungie directly created, like the games, or one of Bungie's story writers for the games wrote, like Contact Harvest) then it's the highest authority around. (Yeah good to see you too, how come you don't really come by Archive anymore?)

Well I don't see it as a constant really, it's more a guideline for if you find a contradiction anywhere. When there are no contradictions I view them as equal...though I always trust something straight from the creators more than something that's not. The further you get from the source of it, it's going to get a bit murkier and muddled. I never saw it though where anything beneath the game was automatically lesser or something like that. Unless I find contradictions, then they're all valid and as equal as anything can be.

  • 07.28.2012 8:42 PM PDT

If you cannot provide proof or simply cannot provide a rational, logical argument then don't say anything at all.


Posted by: grey101

It isn't that he knows his stuff (which he does) it is just that you are using halopedian as a source which is obviously not working for you.


Normally I don't have an issue with people on the forums, but in the few threads where you and I have both posted in you've been a complete douche. I'm not going to ruin this guys thread arguing with you, but i'm just letting you know. Check yourself. Halopedia looks like it has most of it's stuff right and you act like I've been using it the whole time. I used it for my most recent post. That's it.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The only augmentation not shared between the S2 and S3 programs (in some form) was the thyroid implant. It was what caused the S2's to become much taller then other humans IIRC.

As for the box. I'd wager it was his gun. Or something that in general wasn't really needed for the upcoming mission. Who knows.


Crap. I will find something that you cannot counter!

  • 07.28.2012 10:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bradllez
Members here dont get banned.

They just go missing in action.

It was hard, but then I read Glasslands.

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Xd00999
I'm sure they have some hard rule for canon buried somewhere in an interview or document, but I have yet to see it. They will probably come out with a more official statement if many contradictions start to pop up or they start putting out much more material. As it is, I agree with Coma and Elder (good to see you again, by the way, Coma) that 343i's policy should only affect material produced by 343i. If we apply policies to material made under a different one, things can get confusing.

The idea of canon hierarchies always seems a bit odd to me. I don't think one story should be able to overwrite another just because of how it was told. I think that everything should be considered a valid view of the universe, to put one view over another seems like an insult to the authors and artists who slaved over their work only to have it be declared invalid.


They might, I never heard or saw it though, so if they do have one it's unknown to me. For me personally I still go by Bungie's method of sorting things, if it's newer material or something straight from horse's mouth so to speak (IE something Bungie directly created, like the games, or one of Bungie's story writers for the games wrote, like Contact Harvest) then it's the highest authority around. (Yeah good to see you too, how come you don't really come by Archive anymore?)

Well I don't see it as a constant really, it's more a guideline for if you find a contradiction anywhere. When there are no contradictions I view them as equal...though I always trust something straight from the creators more than something that's not. The further you get from the source of it, it's going to get a bit murkier and muddled. I never saw it though where anything beneath the game was automatically lesser or something like that. Unless I find contradictions, then they're all valid and as equal as anything can be.

I too would take the word of Bungie/343i over other sources. The second paragraph is 40k rubbing off on me. They play fast and loose with the idea of canon, and the second paragraph is a paraphrase of their canon policy. 40k is also the reason I have drifted from the Archive; I have lost the interest I've once had.

  • 07.29.2012 7:30 AM PDT

I love you [b]

Reach is cannon because I said so. Noble 6 survived reach, went on to join with the ODST group as Rookie, Then went to cryo so he could be there when they fixed time travel then came back in time wrote Halo and laughs histerically because he altered history and stopped the war. Believe me I know. I have to put up with his crap. I love the guy but he can be a whiner sometimes.

lol he got banned from b-net for drinking the other day.

ehhh... gtg my knee augmentation is actin up again...

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

It isn't that he knows his stuff (which he does) it is just that you are using halopedian as a source which is obviously not working for you.


Normally I don't have an issue with people on the forums, but in the few threads where you and I have both posted in you've been a complete douche. I'm not going to ruin this guys thread arguing with you, but i'm just letting you know. Check yourself. Halopedia looks like it has most of it's stuff right and you act like I've been using it the whole time. I used it for my most recent post. That's it.



What could you possibly do to me? it is completely obvious you have been using it as a source and your recent posts are the ones i was talking about.

  • 07.29.2012 9:02 AM PDT

I love you [b]

Grey side with me! No source offers proof to the contrary.
Besides with time traveling and a smart mouth no chance is available for my loss in this.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: E Sword of LORD
Grey side with me! No source offers proof to the contrary.
Besides with time traveling and a smart mouth no chance is available for my loss in this.


It would be interesting to see how the crystal messed with the events.

  • 07.29.2012 9:21 AM PDT

I love you [b]

Thats not intersting. The private cam 6 has is tho. Him and Jun sneek chewing gum into chiefs H:2 helmet. Masterguns was PISSED!

  • 07.29.2012 9:37 AM PDT

If you cannot provide proof or simply cannot provide a rational, logical argument then don't say anything at all.


Posted by: grey101
What could you possibly do to me? it is completely obvious you have been using it as a source and your recent posts are the ones i was talking about.


I was saying check yourself so you don't sound as dickish as you really are and if you took it as a threat then i'm sorry you feel threatened. How is it obvious that I use halopedia if I was wrong about the shielding in my post before? I'm pretty sure i'd be smart enough to double check if I was actually using halopedia. Based off of the other threads I've seen you post in, you like to intentionally piss people off, so if you want to argue with me anymore PM me. Otherwise i'm done having a personal dispute on OP's thread.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: CrazyHUNTER 95

Posted by: grey101
What could you possibly do to me? it is completely obvious you have been using it as a source and your recent posts are the ones i was talking about.


I was saying check yourself so you don't sound as dickish as you really are and if you took it as a threat then i'm sorry you feel threatened. How is it obvious that I use halopedia if I was wrong about the shielding in my post before? I'm pretty sure i'd be smart enough to double check if I was actually using halopedia. Based off of the other threads I've seen you post in, you like to intentionally piss people off, so if you want to argue with me anymore PM me. Otherwise i'm done having a personal dispute on OP's thread.


That makes no sense and no i don't fee "threatened" by you. If i wanted to "intentionally piss people off" i am sure name calling would be involved.

  • 07.29.2012 2:25 PM PDT

I love you [b]

Honestley I enjoy both your posts.......
Thus I say, "Can't we all just get allong."

  • 07.29.2012 5:16 PM PDT

Only an idiot would try, as feeble an attempt it would be, to pass off Reach's story as non-canon.

It is canon, there is no changing that. Noble Team has already been mentioned several times in Glasslands. What is done is done.

  • 07.29.2012 6:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: coink13
book>game becuase book was first and better and made sense


Too bad this is a GAME franchise.

  • 07.30.2012 3:34 PM PDT

"So- So this means Im just going to be miserable for the rest of time?!"

"No. This means that you have to live life to the fullest. You have one life, live it well. Make sure you die without regrets. Get a new life, new mate, new family. You, out of all people, don't deserve a terrible fate of misery like that. Having nothing to look forward to is good. It makes sure you want to keep on going. Living is a right, not a privilege."

Thats me.

Halo: Reach is just a spinoff of the series IMO. It never happened.

  • 07.30.2012 4:06 PM PDT