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Turns out S-IVs are not purely made up of volunteers.
The S-IV program is offered to soldiers for their exceptional service during the war, mainly spec ops soldiers.
The S-IVs would also receive some gene manipulation therapy. I'm guessing this therapy is meant to make them more like S-IIs than just regular augmented people.
Also with the fact that S-IVs use the latest MJOLNIR armor, could it be possible that a S-IV is possibly as good as a S-II?

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a S-IV is possibly as good as a S-II?
S-IVs almost as good as S-IIIs?
Which one are we talking about here?

I'd say they would be equal to S-IIIs (with MJOLNIR), but lesser to S-IIs

  • 06.25.2012 10:04 PM PDT

S2s were trained to be soldiers since age 6; that's hard to beat, even with improved augmentations.

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  • 06.26.2012 4:28 AM PDT

Well first of all, Spartan IVs weren't trained from childhood to become soldiers. They don't live it, breath it, and so on. Sure they are Spec Ops, but Spartans were trained to be even better than that from the start.

They wear MJOLNIR Gen 2. While more lightweight than MJOLNIR Mk VI or V, a real test of Spartan IV augments would be if they COULD wear MJOLNIR Mk VI or V. Spartan IIs and IIIs could, what about IVs. If they couldn't, it would imply that their augmentations don't provide them with enough strength to use it safely.

Also, I have a few questions about the augmentations. First of all, since they are using just soldiers, I guess they are no longer looking for genetic markers like they did with Spartan IIs and IIIs. Secondly, the Spartans beforehand had to train to peak physical condition to recieve these augments. You couldn't just augment a fat guy. While these Spartan IVs are no doubt fit as they can be, it's not the same as taking a child and training them to peak human physical condition. So I wonder if the augments have been "watered" down to make them more accessible. ONI may be going for the whole quantity > qualitly thing to buy them more time in case there are future wars.

Also, Spartan IVs are the best soldiers avaliable. Spartan IIs and IIIs are the best humanity had (genetic markers). Making Spartans is like a work of art. Spartan IVs are something wonderful made with the material you got. Spartan IIs and IIIs are something amazing made with only the finest materials.

  • 06.26.2012 7:57 AM PDT

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You know spartan 2s and 3s have the same abiltys right???

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It depends. The III's were poorly equipped due to the funding it took if all III's were to get MJOLNIR armor. Noble Team and Headhunters IMO would be better than the IV's, but generally most of III's were wiped from the Fall of Reach. It kills the purpose of the whole ORION changed to SPARTAN project to take adults than children where it was inspired from the Greek soldiers of Sparta and how they operate. In addition it stands better IMO that training children from young age throughout their lifetime to be a very outstanding super soldier is far better than being an ODST. A II is still one of the best. Maybe some of the IV's are better than the II's, but they aren't better than Kelly, Fred, Kurt, or especially MC-117 due primarily because of his veteran experience. Note that it stated these augmentations aren't what they give you now, the more fighting you face it will progress, much like how I would when I keep practicing Lacrosse, I get better, so does the augmentations. It's self-explanatory. These IV's are new, haven't seen much combat like most of II's and III's.

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Posted by: ferrrari
You know spartan 2s and 3s have the same abiltys right???
Technically the III's don't have the thyroid implant which is why the III's are shorter than a II.

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Posted by: ferrrari
You know spartan 2s and 3s have the same abiltys right???
Technically the III's don't have the thyroid implant which is why the III's are shorter than a II.


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Posted by: Spartan1995324
Well first of all, Spartan IVs weren't trained from childhood to become soldiers. They don't live it, breath it, and so on. Sure they are Spec Ops, but Spartans were trained to be even better than that from the start.

They wear MJOLNIR Gen 2. While more lightweight than MJOLNIR Mk VI or V, a real test of Spartan IV augments would be if they COULD wear MJOLNIR Mk VI or V. Spartan IIs and IIIs could, what about IVs. If they couldn't, it would imply that their augmentations don't provide them with enough strength to use it safely.

Also, I have a few questions about the augmentations. First of all, since they are using just soldiers, I guess they are no longer looking for genetic markers like they did with Spartan IIs and IIIs. Secondly, the Spartans beforehand had to train to peak physical condition to recieve these augments. You couldn't just augment a fat guy. While these Spartan IVs are no doubt fit as they can be, it's not the same as taking a child and training them to peak human physical condition. So I wonder if the augments have been "watered" down to make them more accessible. ONI may be going for the whole quantity > qualitly thing to buy them more time in case there are future wars.

Also, Spartan IVs are the best soldiers avaliable. Spartan IIs and IIIs are the best humanity had (genetic markers). Making Spartans is like a work of art. Spartan IVs are something wonderful made with the material you got. Spartan IIs and IIIs are something amazing made with only the finest materials.
My point exactly. They may be Spec Ops soldiers, but these previous programs have been doing this since they were 6 or 7 years of age. My guess is 343 also killed an important fact that Bungie themselves created. Dr. Hasley wanted to create a program much like the Greek Spartans of Sparta. Now 343 made it where SPARTAN projects gather adults and train them.

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Well first of all, Spartan IVs weren't trained from childhood to become soldiers. They don't live it, breath it, and so on. Sure they are Spec Ops, but Spartans were trained to be even better than that from the start.

They wear MJOLNIR Gen 2. While more lightweight than MJOLNIR Mk VI or V, a real test of Spartan IV augments would be if they COULD wear MJOLNIR Mk VI or V. Spartan IIs and IIIs could, what about IVs. If they couldn't, it would imply that their augmentations don't provide them with enough strength to use it safely.

Also, I have a few questions about the augmentations. First of all, since they are using just soldiers, I guess they are no longer looking for genetic markers like they did with Spartan IIs and IIIs. Secondly, the Spartans beforehand had to train to peak physical condition to recieve these augments. You couldn't just augment a fat guy. While these Spartan IVs are no doubt fit as they can be, it's not the same as taking a child and training them to peak human physical condition. So I wonder if the augments have been "watered" down to make them more accessible. ONI may be going for the whole quantity > qualitly thing to buy them more time in case there are future wars.

Also, Spartan IVs are the best soldiers avaliable. Spartan IIs and IIIs are the best humanity had (genetic markers). Making Spartans is like a work of art. Spartan IVs are something wonderful made with the material you got. Spartan IIs and IIIs are something amazing made with only the finest materials.
My point exactly. They may be Spec Ops soldiers, but these previous programs have been doing this since they were 6 or 7 years of age. My guess is 343 also killed an important fact that Bungie themselves created. Dr. Hasley wanted to create a program much like the Greek Spartans of Sparta. Now 343 made it where SPARTAN projects gather adults and train them.


Colonel Ackerson hoped that with enough time, the general population would be augmented due to advances in technology, that was around 2537, 20 years before Halo 4, so Spartan IV's being made up by adults is not that implausible.

  • 06.26.2012 4:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari
You know spartan 2s and 3s have the same abiltys right???
Technically the III's don't have the thyroid implant which is why the III's are shorter than a II.


Noble Team says hi.

This carter/emile and jun are at master chiefs hieght...

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Posted by: ferrrari
You know spartan 2s and 3s have the same abiltys right???
Technically the III's don't have the thyroid implant which is why the III's are shorter than a II.


Noble Team says hi.

This carter/emile and jun are at master chiefs hieght...


Not anymore:

Carter:208 cm
Emile:ditto
Jun:210 cm
Chief:218 cm (Halo 4 page on waypoint states so)

Then there is also the clear weight difference between the two.


But Noble are definitely larger then an average SIII.

  • 06.26.2012 4:50 PM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1995324
Well first of all, Spartan IVs weren't trained from childhood to become soldiers. They don't live it, breath it, and so on. Sure they are Spec Ops, but Spartans were trained to be even better than that from the start.

They wear MJOLNIR Gen 2. While more lightweight than MJOLNIR Mk VI or V, a real test of Spartan IV augments would be if they COULD wear MJOLNIR Mk VI or V. Spartan IIs and IIIs could, what about IVs. If they couldn't, it would imply that their augmentations don't provide them with enough strength to use it safely.

Also, I have a few questions about the augmentations. First of all, since they are using just soldiers, I guess they are no longer looking for genetic markers like they did with Spartan IIs and IIIs. Secondly, the Spartans beforehand had to train to peak physical condition to recieve these augments. You couldn't just augment a fat guy. While these Spartan IVs are no doubt fit as they can be, it's not the same as taking a child and training them to peak human physical condition. So I wonder if the augments have been "watered" down to make them more accessible. ONI may be going for the whole quantity > qualitly thing to buy them more time in case there are future wars.

Also, Spartan IVs are the best soldiers avaliable. Spartan IIs and IIIs are the best humanity had (genetic markers). Making Spartans is like a work of art. Spartan IVs are something wonderful made with the material you got. Spartan IIs and IIIs are something amazing made with only the finest materials.
My point exactly. They may be Spec Ops soldiers, but these previous programs have been doing this since they were 6 or 7 years of age. My guess is 343 also killed an important fact that Bungie themselves created. Dr. Hasley wanted to create a program much like the Greek Spartans of Sparta. Now 343 made it where SPARTAN projects gather adults and train them.


Colonel Ackerson hoped that with enough time, the general population would be augmented due to advances in technology, that was around 2537, 20 years before Halo 4, so Spartan IV's being made up by adults is not that implausible.
We are not debating if it's possible. 343i proved that it is.

We are debating the quality of these Spartans.

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I think the S-IVs are on par with previous generations for several reasons.

Firstly, the S-IV candidates are selected to be a part of the S-IV program because they are the elite of the UNSC special forces. Clearly, their combat skills are such that they are eligible to undergo further, more intense training to become S-IVs. Though many would argue that, since previous generations of what are normally considered Spartans were trained since childhood to be soldiers, since the S-IVs are comprised of elite special forces operatives, in all likelihood, there are candidates who have been soldiers longer than members of Gamma Company have been alive. To me, that demonstrates a lot of combat experience, certainly more than the vast majority of S-IIIs, and could stretch back as far as when the S-IIs were eighteen years old, when these S-IVs most likely enlisted in the military.

Secondly, I think their augmentations are something similar to the S-IIIs. I say this because only the S-IIs were given a thyroid implant, which made them slightly bulkier. Recall the goal of Project ORION, which was to enhance existing soldiers so that they would be capable of superhuman feats. Though the enhancements worked to an extent, they did not meet the goals of the program. By the time the next Spartan program was created, however, Halsey knew exactly how to maximize the effects of the augmentations. However, they were incredibly risky, leaving only 33 S-IIs to graduate from the program. By the time the S-III program came about, the augmentations were significantly safer, as they required no invasive and dangerous surgery, unlike the S-II augmentations. Project CHRYSANTHEMUM allowed for results nearly equivalent to that of the S-II procedures with a 100% survival rate and little need for gene screening; the essential goal of Project ORION. Now, decades after Project ORION and years of research, I would think that the augmentation procedures for S-IV would require very little, if any, genetic screening, while still producing something, at the very least, equivalent to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM. In all likelihood, the S-IV augmentations may even be superior to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM, though still not quite as good as the S-II procedures, as I personally doubt they would use thyroid implants.

Finally, I think that the use of MJOLNIR is what is really going to allow the S-IVs to shine. Even though the second generation is advertised as "lighter" than its' first-generation counterpart, I think it only refers to weight alone. It will still have shields, it will still be powered. Perhaps it may even be superior to the first generation, as, not only are private contractors able to produce components for the armor, thus making it more diverse, but the ad hoc modification systems will add to this diversity, allowing for superior armor abilities and even more variety, making the second generation of MJOLNIR a true force to be reckoned with.

[Edited on 06.26.2012 6:22 PM PDT]

  • 06.26.2012 6:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari

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Posted by: ferrrari
You know spartan 2s and 3s have the same abiltys right???
Technically the III's don't have the thyroid implant which is why the III's are shorter than a II.


Noble Team says hi.

This carter/emile and jun are at master chiefs hieght...


Not anymore:

Carter:208 cm
Emile:ditto
Jun:210 cm
Chief:218 cm (Halo 4 page on waypoint states so)

Then there is also the clear weight difference between the two.


But Noble are definitely larger then an average SIII.


John is 218cm IN armor, it has been known for a while. Noble Team's heights are not stated to be out or in armor, so we can only guess, although they do have like a head advantage over regular army troopers, just like John did in Halo 3 with the Marines.

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
Well first of all, Spartan IVs weren't trained from childhood to become soldiers. They don't live it, breath it, and so on. Sure they are Spec Ops, but Spartans were trained to be even better than that from the start.


Yes and they still select most elite/veterans in Marine Corps or ODSTs. Did you really think that they would recruit green horns?

They wear MJOLNIR Gen 2. While more lightweight than MJOLNIR Mk VI or V, a real test of Spartan IV augments would be if they COULD wear MJOLNIR Mk VI or V. Spartan IIs and IIIs could, what about IVs. If they couldn't, it would imply that their augmentations don't provide them with enough strength to use it safely.

CITATION NEEDED. MJOLNIR Mark VII and GEN2 are almost similar, since they are lightweight. Besides, notice the word of MJOLNIR GEN2, does not imply that there is weaker version of MJOLNIR. So yes, the augmentations would be required for SPARTAN-IVs. MJOLNIR GEN 2 is still MJOLNIR.

Also, I have a few questions about the augmentations. First of all, since they are using just soldiers, I guess they are no longer looking for genetic markers like they did with Spartan IIs and IIIs. Secondly, the Spartans beforehand had to train to peak physical condition to recieve these augments. You couldn't just augment a fat guy. While these Spartan IVs are no doubt fit as they can be, it's not the same as taking a child and training them to peak human physical condition. So I wonder if the augments have been "watered" down to make them more accessible. ONI may be going for the whole quantity > qualitly thing to buy them more time in case there are future wars.

See the first part.

  • 06.26.2012 7:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: UphillMercury
I think the S-IVs are on par with previous generations for several reasons.

Firstly, the S-IV candidates are selected to be a part of the S-IV program because they are the elite of the UNSC special forces. Clearly, their combat skills are such that they are eligible to undergo further, more intense training to become S-IVs. Though many would argue that, since previous generations of what are normally considered Spartans were trained since childhood to be soldiers, since the S-IVs are comprised of elite special forces operatives, in all likelihood, there are candidates who have been soldiers longer than members of Gamma Company have been alive. To me, that demonstrates a lot of combat experience, certainly more than the vast majority of S-IIIs, and could stretch back as far as when the S-IIs were eighteen years old, when these S-IVs most likely enlisted in the military.

Secondly, I think their augmentations are something similar to the S-IIIs. I say this because only the S-IIs were given a thyroid implant, which made them slightly bulkier. Recall the goal of Project ORION, which was to enhance existing soldiers so that they would be capable of superhuman feats. Though the enhancements worked to an extent, they did not meet the goals of the program. By the time the next Spartan program was created, however, Halsey knew exactly how to maximize the effects of the augmentations. However, they were incredibly risky, leaving only 33 S-IIs to graduate from the program. By the time the S-III program came about, the augmentations were significantly safer, as they required no invasive and dangerous surgery, unlike the S-II augmentations. Project CHRYSANTHEMUM allowed for results nearly equivalent to that of the S-II procedures with a 100% survival rate and little need for gene screening; the essential goal of Project ORION. Now, decades after Project ORION and years of research, I would think that the augmentation procedures for S-IV would require very little, if any, genetic screening, while still producing something, at the very least, equivalent to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM. In all likelihood, the S-IV augmentations may even be superior to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM, though still not quite as good as the S-II procedures, as I personally doubt they would use thyroid implants.

Finally, I think that the use of MJOLNIR is what is really going to allow the S-IVs to shine. Even though the second generation is advertised as "lighter" than its' first-generation counterpart, I think it only refers to weight alone. It will still have shields, it will still be powered. Perhaps it may even be superior to the first generation, as, not only are private contractors able to produce components for the armor, thus making it more diverse, but the ad hoc modification systems will add to this diversity, allowing for superior armor abilities and even more variety, making the second generation of MJOLNIR a true force to be reckoned with.
Yeah but you're missing the point here. Previous programs have trained the children from young age and so forth till now and they've been facing groups larger than the IV's haven't faced and would die trying to attack. These are IV's. They don't possess perfect bodies, perfect minds and haven't faced all the threats yet. Who knows? Half this program could be wiped out like the III's. The II's and III's were raised at young age and brought to physical perfection, even more with the augmentations. III's augmentations were 100% success because of the increase in medical study and discoveries for biomedical research. It's like deadliest warrior here, but I'm talking consistent giberish here. My main point is they aren't on par with most of the previous programs. They can't beat MC. He's an MCPON and has seen much battle, he's a natural leader who is on par with every other SPARTAN. He also runs around with an advanced AI giving him enhanced fighting chances. These IV's are like pawns on chess. MC is like the king. He knows all moves. Same thing goes with Kelly who is still the greatest sniper out there, Kurt who has an ability to detect danger, like a sixth sense, more like an ambush. Frederic whose basically like a second MC. I can go on, but I just don't like these new SPARTANs because it kills the purpose and the orginality of ORION/SPARTAN project(s) anyway.

  • 06.26.2012 9:32 PM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1995324
Well first of all, Spartan IVs weren't trained from childhood to become soldiers. They don't live it, breath it, and so on. Sure they are Spec Ops, but Spartans were trained to be even better than that from the start.


Yes and they still select most elite/veterans in Marine Corps or ODSTs. Did you really think that they would recruit green horns?

They wear MJOLNIR Gen 2. While more lightweight than MJOLNIR Mk VI or V, a real test of Spartan IV augments would be if they COULD wear MJOLNIR Mk VI or V. Spartan IIs and IIIs could, what about IVs. If they couldn't, it would imply that their augmentations don't provide them with enough strength to use it safely.

CITATION NEEDED. MJOLNIR Mark VII and GEN2 are almost similar, since they are lightweight. Besides, notice the word of MJOLNIR GEN2, does not imply that there is weaker version of MJOLNIR. So yes, the augmentations would be required for SPARTAN-IVs. MJOLNIR GEN 2 is still MJOLNIR.

Also, I have a few questions about the augmentations. First of all, since they are using just soldiers, I guess they are no longer looking for genetic markers like they did with Spartan IIs and IIIs. Secondly, the Spartans beforehand had to train to peak physical condition to recieve these augments. You couldn't just augment a fat guy. While these Spartan IVs are no doubt fit as they can be, it's not the same as taking a child and training them to peak human physical condition. So I wonder if the augments have been "watered" down to make them more accessible. ONI may be going for the whole quantity > qualitly thing to buy them more time in case there are future wars.

See the first part.


1. Obviously they are not recruiting greenhorns. Why the -blam!- would I think that when I'm stating that they are using spec ops. Duh. Should be common knowledge at this point.

2. Ideal MJOLNIR would be something like the Iron Man suit, where anybody can wear it. MJOLNIR may be more powerful, but we taking about the amount of strength it takes to wear MJOLNIR. I'd like to see a Spartan IV wear MJOLNIR Mark V or VI. Spartans IIs and IIIs can, can Spartan IVs?

3. "See the first part". Because you are part of a spec ops team does not mean you have the genetic markers to be a Spartan. Having the genetic markers to be a Spartan but eating McDonalds all your life won't make you a Spartan either. Previous generation of Spartans were given the chance to use these generic markers to the fullest. Also, a kid training from six is going to be more fit than a guy who just started hardcore training at boot camp, and then at "spec ops boot camp". So the augments could have been "watered down". Maybe, maybe not.

[Edited on 06.27.2012 9:12 AM PDT]

  • 06.26.2012 9:47 PM PDT


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Posted by: UphillMercury
I think the S-IVs are on par with previous generations for several reasons.

Firstly, the S-IV candidates are selected to be a part of the S-IV program because they are the elite of the UNSC special forces. Clearly, their combat skills are such that they are eligible to undergo further, more intense training to become S-IVs. Though many would argue that, since previous generations of what are normally considered Spartans were trained since childhood to be soldiers, since the S-IVs are comprised of elite special forces operatives, in all likelihood, there are candidates who have been soldiers longer than members of Gamma Company have been alive. To me, that demonstrates a lot of combat experience, certainly more than the vast majority of S-IIIs, and could stretch back as far as when the S-IIs were eighteen years old, when these S-IVs most likely enlisted in the military.

Secondly, I think their augmentations are something similar to the S-IIIs. I say this because only the S-IIs were given a thyroid implant, which made them slightly bulkier. Recall the goal of Project ORION, which was to enhance existing soldiers so that they would be capable of superhuman feats. Though the enhancements worked to an extent, they did not meet the goals of the program. By the time the next Spartan program was created, however, Halsey knew exactly how to maximize the effects of the augmentations. However, they were incredibly risky, leaving only 33 S-IIs to graduate from the program. By the time the S-III program came about, the augmentations were significantly safer, as they required no invasive and dangerous surgery, unlike the S-II augmentations. Project CHRYSANTHEMUM allowed for results nearly equivalent to that of the S-II procedures with a 100% survival rate and little need for gene screening; the essential goal of Project ORION. Now, decades after Project ORION and years of research, I would think that the augmentation procedures for S-IV would require very little, if any, genetic screening, while still producing something, at the very least, equivalent to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM. In all likelihood, the S-IV augmentations may even be superior to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM, though still not quite as good as the S-II procedures, as I personally doubt they would use thyroid implants.

Finally, I think that the use of MJOLNIR is what is really going to allow the S-IVs to shine. Even though the second generation is advertised as "lighter" than its' first-generation counterpart, I think it only refers to weight alone. It will still have shields, it will still be powered. Perhaps it may even be superior to the first generation, as, not only are private contractors able to produce components for the armor, thus making it more diverse, but the ad hoc modification systems will add to this diversity, allowing for superior armor abilities and even more variety, making the second generation of MJOLNIR a true force to be reckoned with.
Yeah but you're missing the point here. Previous programs have trained the children from young age and so forth till now and they've been facing groups larger than the IV's haven't faced and would die trying to attack. These are IV's. They don't possess perfect bodies, perfect minds and haven't faced all the threats yet. Who knows? Half this program could be wiped out like the III's. The II's and III's were raised at young age and brought to physical perfection, even more with the augmentations. III's augmentations were 100% success because of the increase in medical study and discoveries for biomedical research. It's like deadliest warrior here, but I'm talking consistent giberish here. My main point is they aren't on par with most of the previous programs. They can't beat MC. He's an MCPON and has seen much battle, he's a natural leader who is on par with every other SPARTAN. He also runs around with an advanced AI giving him enhanced fighting chances. These IV's are like pawns on chess. MC is like the king. He knows all moves. Same thing goes with Kelly who is still the greatest sniper out there, Kurt who has an ability to detect danger, like a sixth sense, more like an ambush. Frederic whose basically like a second MC. I can go on, but I just don't like these new SPARTANs because it kills the purpose and the orginality of ORION/SPARTAN project(s) anyway.
I don't like Spartan IVs that much either but... The purpose of ORION was to use adult volunteers...

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Posted by: Spartan1995324

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Posted by: UphillMercury
I think the S-IVs are on par with previous generations for several reasons.

Firstly, the S-IV candidates are selected to be a part of the S-IV program because they are the elite of the UNSC special forces. Clearly, their combat skills are such that they are eligible to undergo further, more intense training to become S-IVs. Though many would argue that, since previous generations of what are normally considered Spartans were trained since childhood to be soldiers, since the S-IVs are comprised of elite special forces operatives, in all likelihood, there are candidates who have been soldiers longer than members of Gamma Company have been alive. To me, that demonstrates a lot of combat experience, certainly more than the vast majority of S-IIIs, and could stretch back as far as when the S-IIs were eighteen years old, when these S-IVs most likely enlisted in the military.

Secondly, I think their augmentations are something similar to the S-IIIs. I say this because only the S-IIs were given a thyroid implant, which made them slightly bulkier. Recall the goal of Project ORION, which was to enhance existing soldiers so that they would be capable of superhuman feats. Though the enhancements worked to an extent, they did not meet the goals of the program. By the time the next Spartan program was created, however, Halsey knew exactly how to maximize the effects of the augmentations. However, they were incredibly risky, leaving only 33 S-IIs to graduate from the program. By the time the S-III program came about, the augmentations were significantly safer, as they required no invasive and dangerous surgery, unlike the S-II augmentations. Project CHRYSANTHEMUM allowed for results nearly equivalent to that of the S-II procedures with a 100% survival rate and little need for gene screening; the essential goal of Project ORION. Now, decades after Project ORION and years of research, I would think that the augmentation procedures for S-IV would require very little, if any, genetic screening, while still producing something, at the very least, equivalent to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM. In all likelihood, the S-IV augmentations may even be superior to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM, though still not quite as good as the S-II procedures, as I personally doubt they would use thyroid implants.

Finally, I think that the use of MJOLNIR is what is really going to allow the S-IVs to shine. Even though the second generation is advertised as "lighter" than its' first-generation counterpart, I think it only refers to weight alone. It will still have shields, it will still be powered. Perhaps it may even be superior to the first generation, as, not only are private contractors able to produce components for the armor, thus making it more diverse, but the ad hoc modification systems will add to this diversity, allowing for superior armor abilities and even more variety, making the second generation of MJOLNIR a true force to be reckoned with.
Yeah but you're missing the point here. Previous programs have trained the children from young age and so forth till now and they've been facing groups larger than the IV's haven't faced and would die trying to attack. These are IV's. They don't possess perfect bodies, perfect minds and haven't faced all the threats yet. Who knows? Half this program could be wiped out like the III's. The II's and III's were raised at young age and brought to physical perfection, even more with the augmentations. III's augmentations were 100% success because of the increase in medical study and discoveries for biomedical research. It's like deadliest warrior here, but I'm talking consistent giberish here. My main point is they aren't on par with most of the previous programs. They can't beat MC. He's an MCPON and has seen much battle, he's a natural leader who is on par with every other SPARTAN. He also runs around with an advanced AI giving him enhanced fighting chances. These IV's are like pawns on chess. MC is like the king. He knows all moves. Same thing goes with Kelly who is still the greatest sniper out there, Kurt who has an ability to detect danger, like a sixth sense, more like an ambush. Frederic whose basically like a second MC. I can go on, but I just don't like these new SPARTANs because it kills the purpose and the orginality of ORION/SPARTAN project(s) anyway.
I don't like Spartan IVs that much either but... The purpose of ORION was to use adult volunteers...
Until Hasley came up with the SPARTAN program which is a more smarter, and better solution to super soldiers.

  • 06.26.2012 10:33 PM PDT


Posted by: im the next halo

Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: im the next halo

Posted by: UphillMercury
I think the S-IVs are on par with previous generations for several reasons.

Firstly, the S-IV candidates are selected to be a part of the S-IV program because they are the elite of the UNSC special forces. Clearly, their combat skills are such that they are eligible to undergo further, more intense training to become S-IVs. Though many would argue that, since previous generations of what are normally considered Spartans were trained since childhood to be soldiers, since the S-IVs are comprised of elite special forces operatives, in all likelihood, there are candidates who have been soldiers longer than members of Gamma Company have been alive. To me, that demonstrates a lot of combat experience, certainly more than the vast majority of S-IIIs, and could stretch back as far as when the S-IIs were eighteen years old, when these S-IVs most likely enlisted in the military.

Secondly, I think their augmentations are something similar to the S-IIIs. I say this because only the S-IIs were given a thyroid implant, which made them slightly bulkier. Recall the goal of Project ORION, which was to enhance existing soldiers so that they would be capable of superhuman feats. Though the enhancements worked to an extent, they did not meet the goals of the program. By the time the next Spartan program was created, however, Halsey knew exactly how to maximize the effects of the augmentations. However, they were incredibly risky, leaving only 33 S-IIs to graduate from the program. By the time the S-III program came about, the augmentations were significantly safer, as they required no invasive and dangerous surgery, unlike the S-II augmentations. Project CHRYSANTHEMUM allowed for results nearly equivalent to that of the S-II procedures with a 100% survival rate and little need for gene screening; the essential goal of Project ORION. Now, decades after Project ORION and years of research, I would think that the augmentation procedures for S-IV would require very little, if any, genetic screening, while still producing something, at the very least, equivalent to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM. In all likelihood, the S-IV augmentations may even be superior to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM, though still not quite as good as the S-II procedures, as I personally doubt they would use thyroid implants.

Finally, I think that the use of MJOLNIR is what is really going to allow the S-IVs to shine. Even though the second generation is advertised as "lighter" than its' first-generation counterpart, I think it only refers to weight alone. It will still have shields, it will still be powered. Perhaps it may even be superior to the first generation, as, not only are private contractors able to produce components for the armor, thus making it more diverse, but the ad hoc modification systems will add to this diversity, allowing for superior armor abilities and even more variety, making the second generation of MJOLNIR a true force to be reckoned with.
Yeah but you're missing the point here. Previous programs have trained the children from young age and so forth till now and they've been facing groups larger than the IV's haven't faced and would die trying to attack. These are IV's. They don't possess perfect bodies, perfect minds and haven't faced all the threats yet. Who knows? Half this program could be wiped out like the III's. The II's and III's were raised at young age and brought to physical perfection, even more with the augmentations. III's augmentations were 100% success because of the increase in medical study and discoveries for biomedical research. It's like deadliest warrior here, but I'm talking consistent giberish here. My main point is they aren't on par with most of the previous programs. They can't beat MC. He's an MCPON and has seen much battle, he's a natural leader who is on par with every other SPARTAN. He also runs around with an advanced AI giving him enhanced fighting chances. These IV's are like pawns on chess. MC is like the king. He knows all moves. Same thing goes with Kelly who is still the greatest sniper out there, Kurt who has an ability to detect danger, like a sixth sense, more like an ambush. Frederic whose basically like a second MC. I can go on, but I just don't like these new SPARTANs because it kills the purpose and the orginality of ORION/SPARTAN project(s) anyway.
I don't like Spartan IVs that much either but... The purpose of ORION was to use adult volunteers...
Until Hasley came up with the SPARTAN program which is a more smarter, and better solution to super soldiers.
*smarter, not more smarter

Also the Spartan IV aims to return to the aims of the original ORION project, which is using adult volunteers.

ONI doesn't want to run the risk of continuing to use children because they don't people to find out. Legally, the Spartan IV program is safer.

  • 06.27.2012 9:11 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

SPARTAN-II Master Race.

  • 06.27.2012 9:41 AM PDT

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