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...the Prophets had never changed the guard and eventually betray the elites? Then there would never have been any Separatists, and the humans would never have gotten help from the elites.

Would the humans have won or lost the war?

  • 06.26.2012 10:12 PM PDT
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Humanity would probably lose the war, although I doubt that would stop a Brute/Elite war even if they don't ignite the rings.

  • 06.26.2012 10:16 PM PDT

Lost. 99% sure.

Main reason we won was because of the internal conflict.

  • 06.26.2012 10:16 PM PDT
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Elite contribution was minuscule.

jk

If the Great Schism hadn't occurred, then the Elites would have been fractured like they are now, as Arbiter would still have been sent to quell the Heretic movement, encountering the holy warriors and 343 Guilty Spark.

And if Halo: The Cole Protocol still means anything, there was another before him, who was a close associate, who doubted the Prophets. Zhar.

Finally, there was a conversation between 2 Elites that brings the war into question.

Basically, even without the catalyst, there would have been eventual infighting.

Do not forget that in the last stages of the Forerunner-Flood war, the Didact regretted his actions against humanity. If humanity was wiped out, that could very well be the catalyst for uprising.

But of course, if the Covies managed to activate the Halo rings, that would end the series. :P Though they would require a human for that purpose... and as we've seen in the novels, they are not easily relenting as they were in the games.

[Edited on 06.27.2012 12:34 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2012 12:32 AM PDT

Um. Sliding ghost, 100% sure the Covenant would have remained intact and the rings would fire.

While there was a movement that respected humans, they weren't going to start civil war over it. Though Thel might've gotten doubts, if Truth hadn't betrayed him and the Elites those doubts would be buried. Without the betrayal, he'd never encounter Chief or the Gravemind.

So if the Elites never joined humanity against Truth and the Brutes, Earth would fall. The rings would be fired.

  • 06.27.2012 12:36 AM PDT

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I don't know. Why didn't the UNSC use more NOVA Bomb? One of those annihilated an entire Covenant fleet and half a moon. Why didn't the UNSC just launch these at every Covenant fleet they saw, and blast a couple in the direction of High Charity?

And what about Super MACS, why didn't they use more of those?

[Edited on 06.27.2012 1:12 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2012 1:10 AM PDT

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I believe that NOVA Bombs weren't too common or safe. Most ships didn't carry them.

[Edited on 06.27.2012 7:33 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2012 7:32 AM PDT


Posted by: Madmaxepic
I don't know. Why didn't the UNSC use more NOVA Bomb? One of those annihilated an entire Covenant fleet and half a moon. Why didn't the UNSC just launch these at every Covenant fleet they saw, and blast a couple in the direction of High Charity?

And what about Super MACS, why didn't they use more of those?


A: As far as I knew, they only had the one.

B: That explosion is massive. If they used one for every small Covenant fleet, it's harm more then help.

C: They had no idea where the heck High Charity was.

  • 06.27.2012 8:06 AM PDT
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Why hello there.

The Master Chief still would have dominated them all. It just would have taken a little longer.

  • 06.27.2012 8:24 AM PDT


Posted by: Teagg
The Master Chief still would have dominated them all. It just would have taken a little longer.


Master Chief would die.

  • 06.27.2012 8:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Um. Sliding ghost, 100% sure the Covenant would have remained intact and the rings would fire.

While there was a movement that respected humans, they weren't going to start civil war over it. Though Thel might've gotten doubts, if Truth hadn't betrayed him and the Elites those doubts would be buried. Without the betrayal, he'd never encounter Chief or the Gravemind.

So if the Elites never joined humanity against Truth and the Brutes, Earth would fall. The rings would be fired.
Even the smallest doubt can be a catalyst.

Remember the Arbiter whose actions changed who the title of Arbiter was given to? I find it interesting he managed to renounce the Covenant faith.

[Edited on 06.27.2012 9:58 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2012 9:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
catalyst.


O_O

  • 06.27.2012 10:09 AM PDT
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Why hello there.

He doesn't have time to die. He is too busy saving everyone.

  • 06.27.2012 10:15 AM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: As far as I knew, they only had the one.
B: That explosion is massive. If they used one for every small Covenant fleet, it's harm more then help.
C: They had no idea where the heck High Charity was.

During a time like the Human-Covenant War, the UNSC has room to take some risks. It's either do anything and everything they can to win, or face complete annihilation. The UNSC should have started mass producing NOVAs, cost and risk aside, and start obliterating every Covenant fleet they could find until the Covenant surrendered.

[Edited on 06.27.2012 12:07 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2012 12:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Madmaxepic
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: As far as I knew, they only had the one.
B: That explosion is massive. If they used one for every small Covenant fleet, it's harm more then help.
C: They had no idea where the heck High Charity was.

During a time like the Human-Covenant War, the UNSC has room to take some risks. It's either do anything and everything they can to win, or face complete annihilation. The UNSC should have started mass producing NOVAs, cost and risk aside, and start obliterating every Covenant fleet they could find until the Covenant surrendered.
The Covenant was glassing planet after planet. So even if they attempt to mass produce them, the resources (such as metal) would dry up so quickly.

  • 06.27.2012 12:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: Madmaxepic
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: As far as I knew, they only had the one.
B: That explosion is massive. If they used one for every small Covenant fleet, it's harm more then help.
C: They had no idea where the heck High Charity was.

During a time like the Human-Covenant War, the UNSC has room to take some risks. It's either do anything and everything they can to win, or face complete annihilation. The UNSC should have started mass producing NOVAs, cost and risk aside, and start obliterating every Covenant fleet they could find until the Covenant surrendered.
The Covenant was glassing planet after planet. So even if they attempt to mass produce them, the resources (such as metal) would dry up so quickly.


And you know, the massive freaking problem. Most of the time, Covenant fleets that attacked planets were only a few ships.

Really, it wouldn't be worth the NOVA bomb use unless it was a freaking massive fleet, like the one at Reach, unyielding hierophant, or the one that captured the NOVA bomb in the first place.

I think the UNSC rather mass produce nukes which can be slightly more widespread then make NOVA bombs, which would see little effective use.

  • 06.27.2012 12:52 PM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

With Chief being as lucky as he is, most likely, but it would've taken longer.

Also, there is the fact that the Elites could learn from 343 GS that the Prophets would cause galactic genocide, even without needing the Prophets and Brutes to betray them.

  • 06.27.2012 1:48 PM PDT

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I think that the respawning team would send out the spare Master Chiefs and have an army of Johns to face the Covenant armies.

  • 06.28.2012 3:13 PM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
And you know, the massive freaking problem. Most of the time, Covenant fleets that attacked planets were only a few ships.
Those would be targeted by the Super MAC platforms. I don't know why the UNSC didn't use more Super MACs, they had a lot of them surrounding Reach and Earth.

Really, it wouldn't be worth the NOVA bomb use unless it was a freaking massive fleet, like the one at Reach, unyielding hierophant, or the one that captured the NOVA bomb in the first place.
I think the UNSC rather mass produce nukes which can be slightly more widespread then make NOVA bombs, which would see little effective use.

I think they could have simply launched an extremely extensive and high priority mission to find High Charity (they could bug or capture a Covenant ship), and use a NOVA Bomb or two on it. One NOVA bomb would obliterate all of High Charity and most of the fleet around it, effectively destroying almost the entire Covenant.

The UNSC should have done this when they had the chance at Delta Halo.

  • 06.30.2012 2:01 AM PDT