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Subject: Where Was The Didact When The Halo Array Fired?

Posted by:ScubaToaster
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Title for Reference.

I was reading Cryptum again, trying to get fresh on details for when I get Primordium and when they were talking about the capabilites of a single ring and how it could destroy vast stretches of the galaxy, I wondered this:

Where was the Didact when the rings fired? It´s been a long time since I´ve read the terminals in Halo 3, but from what I can remember, the Didact was inside the Magintot(?) Line when it was fired. Unless he was in a shield world, he should have died along with the rest of his fleet which perished mid fight with the Flood, adding the evidence that all transmissions ceased after that.

Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone knows his location during that event, and where it is said. Thanks.

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  • 06.28.2012 10:20 AM PDT

According to the set of transmissions I remember reading, Didact fired the halo rings, from installation 04 (IIRC).

If not 04, it was in the control room of a Halo ring. No way he lived through it at that spot.

  • 06.28.2012 10:40 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Then how did he survive it?

Shield Worlds are supossibly the only installations that could survive the Halo effect.

  • 06.28.2012 10:48 AM PDT

The Didact did place his memories in bornsteller if I remember hearing that correctly, and then died. Bornsteller became Didact.

Perhaps a similar thing was done again.

  • 06.28.2012 11:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The Didact did place his memories in bornsteller if I remember hearing that correctly, and then died. Bornsteller became Didact.

Perhaps a similar thing was done again.


Yeah, his essence esentially took over Bornstellar.

I like that idea, it seems very possible. It would be a very unexpected plan in case the Didact died in combat against the Flood. I´d imagine this new Didact was placed inside a shield world or was on the Ark, because there could be no other explanation.

But then again, when Bornstellar talks in Cryptum, he talks as he were in the present, remembering past events. Has it been said in Primordium what age he is speaking currently from in the book? Before or after the Halo event?

  • 06.28.2012 11:17 AM PDT

Haven't read those books personally.

  • 06.28.2012 11:19 AM PDT

The original Didact is dead, Bornstellar becomes the Didact, and is the one who fires the Halos from a shield world, possibly Requiem.

  • 06.28.2012 11:56 AM PDT


Posted by: MisterBraz
The original Didact is dead, Bornstellar becomes the Didact, and is the one who fires the Halos from a shield world, possibly Requiem.


Then what about the final words of Didact, recorded from a Halo control room?

  • 06.28.2012 11:59 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: MisterBraz
The original Didact is dead, Bornstellar becomes the Didact, and is the one who fires the Halos from a shield world, possibly Requiem.


Then what about the final words of Didact, recorded from a Halo control room?


I thought he was in a shield world, as he was beckoning the Lifeworker to come to him so she could be safe.

  • 06.28.2012 12:08 PM PDT

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Cryptums are supposedly able to sustain its occupant through the firing of the Halos, as the Didact asks if they've been fired when he's awoken by Bornstellar. As much of a stretch this is, perhaps he had one with him in the Control Room?

  • 06.28.2012 12:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
According to the set of transmissions I remember reading, Didact fired the halo rings, from installation 04 (IIRC).

If not 04, it was in the control room of a Halo ring. No way he lived through it at that spot.


Well, he was a Promethean, and Prometheans are nonorganic. If he was organic originally, he could have went through some changes.

  • 06.28.2012 1:32 PM PDT


Posted by: lime013

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
According to the set of transmissions I remember reading, Didact fired the halo rings, from installation 04 (IIRC).

If not 04, it was in the control room of a Halo ring. No way he lived through it at that spot.


Well, he was a Promethean, and Prometheans are nonorganic. If he was organic originally, he could have went through some changes.


Um. I thought the Promethean knights in halo 4 are merely AI constructs, not actual warrior-servants.

And... Bornstellar was clearly organic last I checked.

[Edited on 06.28.2012 1:36 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2012 1:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: lime013

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
According to the set of transmissions I remember reading, Didact fired the halo rings, from installation 04 (IIRC).

If not 04, it was in the control room of a Halo ring. No way he lived through it at that spot.


Well, he was a Promethean, and Prometheans are nonorganic. If he was organic originally, he could have went through some changes.


Um. I thought the Promethean knights in halo 4 are merely AI constructs, not actual warrior-servants.

And... Bornstellar was clearly organic last I checked.


Like I said, maybe he changed himself to become nonorganic so he could survive the blast of the Halo Ring. If he is non-sentient, then he wouldn't die. And usually evil people don't like dying (If the Didact were to be the Ancient Evil).

  • 06.28.2012 1:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: lime013

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: lime013

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
According to the set of transmissions I remember reading, Didact fired the halo rings, from installation 04 (IIRC).

If not 04, it was in the control room of a Halo ring. No way he lived through it at that spot.


Well, he was a Promethean, and Prometheans are nonorganic. If he was organic originally, he could have went through some changes.


Um. I thought the Promethean knights in halo 4 are merely AI constructs, not actual warrior-servants.

And... Bornstellar was clearly organic last I checked.


Like I said, maybe he changed himself to become nonorganic so he could survive the blast of the Halo Ring. If he is non-sentient, then he wouldn't die. And usually evil people don't like dying (If the Didact were to be the Ancient Evil).


That's interesting, actually. I'm not sure whether I agree, but I could definitely see the Composer fitting into that if it's true.

  • 06.28.2012 1:57 PM PDT

the halo 3 terminals said filial devotion fired installation 04, i'm guessing the bornstellar didact was at the arc or a shield world. as for how the didact is on requium in halo he may be the original because i'm skeptical that faber would execute such a valuable hostage.

  • 06.28.2012 2:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
the halo 3 terminals said filial devotion fired installation 04, i'm guessing the bornstellar didact was at the arc or a shield world. as for how the didact is on requium in halo he may be the original because i'm skeptical that faber would execute such a valuable hostage.


No, it's confirmed that the Didact was the one who activated Halo (IRIS Saga, Librarian's dialogue begging him to activate the Rings in the Terminals etc).

However, it's possible that Filial Devotion is the Didact's actual name, but even so we don't know that because the name in the Terminal is in closed brackets indicating it's just an assumption in translation.

The most glaring part of the Terminal that points to it not being the Didact is this passage:
Isn't sacrifice in the interest of others what you always spoke of as being so noble? Should I have allowed another to bloody his hands while I remained safe behind a [shield of privilege]?

The Didact was on a Halo installation getting ready to fire the Rings, Filial Devotion chose to leave behind what seems to be a Shield World in order to conduct some kind of sacrifice - which to me says he was just going to fight the Flood because he didn't think the Forerunners had a place in the future of the galaxy.

On the other hand, that was part of the doctrine of the Mantle - the Forerunners were just another stage in the 'Living Time' of the universe and the Terminals (along with the Forerunner Saga) establish that the Didact was devout in enforcing his belief in the Mantle and Filial's message reflects that.

I don't know, it's an interesting point to ponder but if Filial Devotion isn't the Didact's real name then he was not the one to fire the Rings.

  • 06.28.2012 2:27 PM PDT

when the didact says his finger is on the trigger he doesn't mean he physically activated halo it simply means that he gave the order.

[Edited on 06.28.2012 2:34 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2012 2:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
when the didact says his finger is on the trigger he doesn't mean he physically activated halo it simply means that he gave the order.


I think you need to go over the IRIS Saga again, he directly activates Halo. The dialogue also supports this:

I will burn this stinking menace in your name.

Come back inside, where my fleets can keep you safe.

("My fleets", not "where I can keep you safe". The Didact is not actually at the Maginot Line.)

Please. Activate the Array.

I'm begging you. Fire the Array. Light the weapon, and let it be done.

Why would the Librarian beg the Didact to activate the Array if he's not the one actually there doing it?

You've outwitted it, my love. And now you can destroy it.

She keeps telling the Didact that HE is the one who will be acting, there is never any reference to anyone else.

  • 06.28.2012 2:54 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

So... then he was in the control room, but survived the halo detonation, right?

Is there any information on control rooms being able to wistand the Halo effect? I mean, those sets of doors were huge, I wouldn´t be surprised if one could survive from inside it.

  • 06.29.2012 9:28 AM PDT

I just checked Iris and you are right but I think filial devotion went with him and put him inside the cryptum so he could survive. also if I remember correctly origins shows a scene where a forerunner puts away the didacts armor, I think that was filial devotion.

  • 06.29.2012 10:25 AM PDT

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Was Mendicant Bias' Ring present at the Capitol when he blasted it, or did that Ring escape beforehand?

If it was there during the Halo effect, and the people on the Ring survived (Obviously), then perhaps the surface of Halo's are protected somehow.

I can't remember if it stayed or not, though.

  • 06.29.2012 11:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Was Mendicant Bias' Ring present at the Capitol when he blasted it, or did that Ring escape beforehand?

If it was there during the Halo effect, and the people on the Ring survived (Obviously), then perhaps the surface of Halo's are protected somehow.

I can't remember if it stayed or not, though.


Considering that there are also non-pure Flood forms on at least 2 Rings in stasis, coupled with the fact that one of the purposes of the Rings is to study various species I'd say the Halos themselves are protected somehow.

Conversely, at the end of Halo 2 as Installation 05 is charging, Spark says:
"And, may I say, Reclaimers - it has been a pleasure to serve you both. Goodbye."

So the Control Room at least isn't protected then?

[Edited on 06.29.2012 11:33 AM PDT]

  • 06.29.2012 11:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Perhaps it is optional. You can choose whether or not Halo is protected. In cases like the battle of 05, Spark probably set it so that Halo is not protected so that the Flood on the surface died too.

  • 06.29.2012 11:36 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: anton1792
Was Mendicant Bias' Ring present at the Capitol when he blasted it, or did that Ring escape beforehand?

If it was there during the Halo effect, and the people on the Ring survived (Obviously), then perhaps the surface of Halo's are protected somehow.

I can't remember if it stayed or not, though.


Considering that there are also non-pure Flood forms on at least 2 Rings in stasis, coupled with the fact that one of the purposes of the Rings is to study various species I'd say the Halos themselves are protected somehow.

Conversely, at the end of Halo 2 as Installation 05 is charging, Spark says:
"And, may I say, Reclaimers - it has been a pleasure to serve you both. Goodbye."

So the Control Room at least isn't protected then?


Could easily be referring to the fact that their task is finished and his services are no longer required.

Besides, as you said, Halo is an ecosystem designed to study life as it grows naturally. It'd be pointless if the Halo's wiped out their own ecosystem and with it the only other reason they exist.

  • 06.29.2012 1:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: anton1792
Was Mendicant Bias' Ring present at the Capitol when he blasted it, or did that Ring escape beforehand?

If it was there during the Halo effect, and the people on the Ring survived (Obviously), then perhaps the surface of Halo's are protected somehow.

I can't remember if it stayed or not, though.


Considering that there are also non-pure Flood forms on at least 2 Rings in stasis, coupled with the fact that one of the purposes of the Rings is to study various species I'd say the Halos themselves are protected somehow.

Conversely, at the end of Halo 2 as Installation 05 is charging, Spark says:
"And, may I say, Reclaimers - it has been a pleasure to serve you both. Goodbye."

So the Control Room at least isn't protected then?


Could easily be referring to the fact that their task is finished and his services are no longer required.

Besides, as you said, Halo is an ecosystem designed to study life as it grows naturally. It'd be pointless if the Halo's wiped out their own ecosystem and with it the only other reason they exist.


But then why would he tell Miranda how to stop the Halo from firing? It's pretty evident from the delivery of that line that Dadabo was conveying a sense of finality about it, I highly doubt that Spark would just leave them if all went to plan.

If the firing of the Array didn't affect the Rings themselves, why then didn't Forerunners flee onto the surface of the Halos during the battle of the Capitol? They wouldn't really need Shield Worlds if they could just sit it out in Halo's local Winchester...

  • 06.29.2012 2:09 PM PDT

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