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Subject: Not Theory but Peculiar Coincidence

Quick as a razor, sharp as a bullet.

yeah i know he does...but imagine how hilarious that is...

some people *shakes head*

the topic? i can't remember. all it says here is "Not Theory but Peculiar Coincidence".

  • 06.13.2006 9:08 AM PDT

Twelve Large ²

An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

Posted by: Tartan 118
well, bungie made evry character speak english so that we could understand.

imagine mc speaking french!!


Agreed. If you play Halo 2 in another country, there's a good chance it's not in English. What then?

  • 06.13.2006 9:09 AM PDT

Twelve Large ²

An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

And the time travel theory is total crap.

  • 06.13.2006 9:10 AM PDT

Twelve Large ²

An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

Posted by: Wuyie
The paradox and time loop is that no one techinally did tanner...thats the loop...its a little annoying but think about it...the Chief is the problem..he has been repeating history for god knows how long...in the books he is vaguely familiar with the convie controls and the spartans recognize some of the Forerunner symbols..this is y i think they do


This theory has already been proven wrong.

  • 06.13.2006 9:12 AM PDT

Quick as a razor, sharp as a bullet.

Posted by: Wuyie
Thats y u read the posts in a thread before posting. That way u can contribute instead of coming off random and odd. If u want to start a "hilarious french MC" thread go right ahead. Back on the subject of 343 speaking english i also would like pple to take into consideration him seemin to remember the MC and also the fact that all the Halos exhibit Earth like enviroments.


no!!!!!!!!!!! don't start that forerunner = human crap! it's on countless threads and has been disproven!!!!!!!!!!

as for that last bit, if a theory has been disproven by other evidence, u cannot continue to speculate about it unless new evidence appears

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  • 06.13.2006 9:18 AM PDT

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An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

Because someone already went over this already and he couldn't come up with any way to make the time travel theory make sense.

Even you can't.

You say the Oracle remembers the "Mjolnir" guy.

Oh, wow! It must be time travel!

So you say it's a loop. And the Chief travels back 100,000 years and life has to start anew. That makes sense. That could happen.

Now, how do you control reproduction and evolution so we insure that EVERY event plays out the way it did before so the Chief is born again so he can set off the rings again - to keep your "loop" theory going? You would have to at least start with the same DNA, right? Certainly the chief, or whoever joins him on the ark, wouldn't be able to reproduce the same beings that lead to John being born the "first" time. Or second time. Or third time. Or whatever.. Or maybe we can create a loop in their DNA too?

You also can't explain how 343 didn't know that the ring would be destroyed. If history really repeats itself, then GS would have known that the ring would have been destroyed by Cortana and the MC.

There doesn't really have to be a time travel theory. It can be a loop without time travel.

  • 06.13.2006 9:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: mitch12345
Why is it that the Monitor Speaks English, and does this support the fact that humans might be forerunners, and thus programminging the monitor the language they spoke, or is it Bungies ways of dealing with lingustics by having everyone speak english, because you will alos notice the arbiter speaks english at the end of Halo 2, whjere he asks the monitor where the Arc is, but if you think about, he is highly trained commander before he became the arbiter, so would have he been taught the english language to understand human tactics if encountered?
I believe it just has to do with the fact that the chief has input/output translators onboards his suit and Bungie is attempting to make us pity the Elites, so we will accept them joining the Human Forces in the next game. And considering the Halos were built over a million years ago I doubt that the Forerunners spoke English. I am not 'Merica Hatin' but you must remember not everyone speaks English and certainly didn't way back then. I am betting that the Forerunners spoke some sort of complicated ancient dialect of their own. I am of course replying with a sense of logic and realism and we must remember that Halo is only a game so everything I formerly said can be considered purely speculation, and shouldn't be taken heartedly. I am simply speaking realisticly according to the evidence that has been layed before me.

  • 06.13.2006 9:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: Twelve Large
Because someone already went over this already and he couldn't come up with any way to make the time travel theory make sense.

Even you can't.

You say the Oracle remembers the "Mjolnir" guy.

Oh, wow! It must be time travel!

So you say it's a loop. And the Chief travels back 100,000 years and life has to start anew. That makes sense. That could happen.

Now, how do you control reproduction and evolution so we insure that EVERY event plays out the way it did before so the Chief is born again so he can set off the rings again - to keep your "loop" theory going? You would have to at least start with the same DNA, right? Certainly the chief, or whoever joins him on the ark, wouldn't be able to reproduce the same beings that lead to John being born the "first" time. Or second time. Or third time. Or whatever.. Or maybe we can create a loop in their DNA too?

You also can't explain how 343 didn't know that the ring would be destroyed. If history really repeats itself, then GS would have known that the ring would have been destroyed by Cortana and the MC.

There doesn't really have to be a time travel theory. It can be a loop without time travel.
Well it very well could be a loop because Bungie likes the whole "Eternal Hero," idealology. It is basically self explanatory but I shall elaborate slightly. The Eternal Hero (Master Chief), spends his entire existence readying himself for near impossible tasks. He is Eternal, meaning when he is finished he most likely dies (more speculation that our Chief dies) when he is finished and it starts all over. It may not be the same perilous situation as before (meaning that when the Cheif comes back he might not be fighting Elites and Flood and blowing up Halos, ect.). The bottom line is when he comes back he may not be fighting Covenant and Flood but he will still be our Albino, red-headed freak.

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  • 06.13.2006 9:47 AM PDT

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An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

343 is confusing the MC with someone else in MJOLNIR armor. There you go.

  • 06.13.2006 9:52 AM PDT
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yea u know what i dont get is that when you plasma granade stick a grunt he yells "NOT AGAIN" WHAT?

  • 06.13.2006 9:57 AM PDT

All UNSC personnel are issued a neural chip which has a translator built into it, and I'm guessing the Covenant have something similar.

  • 06.13.2006 9:57 AM PDT

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...if you didnt read what i said read it again!

Posted by: Jimmy01
Do none of you have a sense of humour?
We do, this just isn't funny.

Its really wierd, caus ein the English Halo, he speaks English, and in the French, he speaks french, anbd in the Japanese one, he speaks Japanese!

BUt yea, the MC has a translation device in his suit.

  • 06.13.2006 9:58 AM PDT

You better close this sig when your done.

Actully I just got done reading the second book and 343 says "your suit is a level 2, you need to be a level 12." or something like but i am positive that he said level 2 and level 12. not mark six and mark 10.
I just thought i'd clear that up.

  • 06.13.2006 9:59 AM PDT

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An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

You also can't explain how the rings have only been activated once. Obviously, with your time travel theory, a mortal being such as the chief wouldn't be able to remember the Oracle. However, 343, who survives through time, would have no problem remembering the Chief - even after 100,000 years, right? Now, the first time you meet someone, you can't remember them. It's an impossibility. However, with a loop, you could remember them the second time you meet this person. In this case, the Master Chief? If the Oracle remembers the Chief, it would be because he remembers him from their "first" encounter.

Now, this could work. But it would also suggest that the Chief was the first to activate the rings. His name is John - and the "first and last" would make sense.

That all said, we can't forget that the Forerunner(s) were waaay more advanced than Humans. And based on your loop, Humans have only had 100,000 years to evolve. That doesn't leave them enough time to gain enough knowledge to make themselves Forerunner. They couldn't create one of these rings if they tried. They just aren't advanced enough to do so.

Now, Gravemind says something along the lines of "Those who built this place knew what they wrought. Do not mistake their intent, or all will perish, as they did before." We know for a fact that Humans couldn't have built these rings. So for your loop theory to hold up, the Forerunner must have created the loop, and they must have taken off, after creating life on these rings/Earth, or whatever. And humans would have to had been the first to activate the rings.


But 343 says his "creators" activated the rings.. Who were his creators? It couldn't have been us. He would have remembered us (100,000 Year Human) if that were the case. And his memories predate Halo. So the Chief could NOT have been the first to activate the rings.

This, imo, makes the entire travel back in time, loop, travel back in time, loop.. Bunk.


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  • 06.13.2006 10:04 AM PDT
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I got some 343 quotes from playing Halo yesterday, I am going to share them with you as they are important but not enough to make a thread about. If you think it is new thread worthy, please tell me.

First: "After the last catostrophic outbreak, samples of the Flood were kept for study. It seems that decision may have been an error." BAM! Many things can be made from this. The first is that 343 is off his rocker and made a mistake (he is crazy but doesn't make many mistakes, so this is unlikely). The other is that the Forerunners didn't foresee this because they were arrogant and placed too much faith in their knowledge (unlikely). The most likely is a combonation of the two.

Second: "The installation was well concieved. It is surely the only way to end the Flood threat." Whoa, slow down there buddy, your getting ahead of yourself. Now get this, he didn't say "It is proven the only way," he said that "It is surely the only way," stated as speculation, opinion, not factual. This leads me to believe that there is a yet-to-be revealed way to end the Flood. This is a likely thought.

Third: This is perhaps the most important: "Finally a record of our lost time. Human History, is it?" This is the most defining piece of evidence of the Humans being the Forerunners. There should be no more speculation about this subject, the Humans are the Forerunners, period. You may say that the Monitor is simply talking about the last time they met. BS and you know it. The Humans didn't have the technology to get off the Earth, let alone fly with no air to ride on. So that is very improbable. I believe that clears up quite a bit. Anything to add? Oh, taking a second look, I am most likely going to make another thread about this.

  • 06.13.2006 10:18 AM PDT