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Subject: Not Theory but Peculiar Coincidence

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Posted by: The Lone Heretic
I got some 343 quotes from playing Halo yesterday, I am going to share them with you as they are important but not enough to make a thread about. If you think it is new thread worthy, please tell me.

First: "After the last catostrophic outbreak, samples of the Flood were kept for study. It seems that decision may have been an error." BAM! Many things can be made from this. The first is that 343 is off his rocker and made a mistake (he is crazy but doesn't make many mistakes, so this is unlikely). The other is that the Forerunners didn't foresee this because they were arrogant and placed too much faith in their knowledge (unlikely). The most likely is a combonation of the two.

Second: "The installation was well concieved. It is surely the only way to end the Flood threat." Whoa, slow down there buddy, your getting ahead of yourself. Now get this, he didn't say "It is proven the only way," he said that "It is surely the only way," stated as speculation, opinion, not factual. This leads me to believe that there is a yet-to-be revealed way to end the Flood. This is a likely thought.

Third: This is perhaps the most important: "Finally a record of our lost time. Human History, is it?" This is the most defining piece of evidence of the Humans being the Forerunners. There should be no more speculation about this subject, the Humans are the Forerunners, period. You may say that the Monitor is simply talking about the last time they met. BS and you know it. The Humans didn't have the technology to get off the Earth, let alone fly with no air to ride on. So that is very improbable. I believe that clears up quite a bit. Anything to add? Oh, taking a second look, I am most likely going to make another thread about this.


That is nothing new. I'm not sure who, or what you're trying to debate with that post either. I thought I created a perfect post, with a perfect loop, that shows how it's impossible for their to be a time travel loop.

You do bring up some good points about 343 Guilty Sparks judgement.

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  • 06.13.2006 10:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wuyie
The rings fired once because that thats all that is happening in the loop. The firing maybe related to or the cause of the trigger for the loop. What if the Ark jumps anyone in it away from the blast via slipspace. But what if the firing somehow causes a malfunction or there is a malfunction do to some unrelated issue? Then the rings would only have been fired once. In that loop. Yes the Forerunners are advanced, but if i trapped u 100,000 years in the past with current tech and allowed u to move on from there u would come up with far more advanced tech by the time u "caught up" with the "current timeline".


I've already shown in my post it's bs. Have fun filling in the holes with crazy made up theories.

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I never said I agreed with the "loop."

  • 06.13.2006 10:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wuyie
Here is my theory...the Rings are fired in 3 as a last ditch effort either to stop the Flood or Convie or both. The is on or is Earth. The Chief uses it to not only fire the Rings but also to escape the blast. The Ark jumps into Slipspace and advanced form of it. PErhaps by accident or on purpose the Ark deposits the Chief 100,000 years in the past with his advanced tech and maybe one advanced AI (Cortana). Marooned in time they establish a new society. make the bestof things. 100,000 years pass. The Chief is dead but the society he founded has flourished. They perhaps forget their beginnings. They develop new tech and new home worlds. The Rings resemble Earth. We arrive at the current point in time. The point where Halo 1 begins. It repeats.


I understand. It's a loop. In "Halo," 343 Guilty Spark remembers either "John," or the "eternal hero mjolnir guy" in this loop. And you suggest 343 remembers the last time mjolnir guy (mc?) activated the ring.

Posted by: Twelve Large
You also can't explain how the rings have only been activated once. Obviously, with your time travel theory, a mortal being such as the chief wouldn't be able to remember the Oracle. However, 343, who survives through time, would have no problem remembering the Chief - even after 100,000 years, right? Now, the first time you meet someone, you can't remember them. It's an impossibility. However, with a loop, you could remember them the second time you meet this person. In this case, the Master Chief? If the Oracle remembers the Chief, it would be because he remembers him from their "first" encounter.


Yet the rings have only been activated once? hmm..

I could try and pretend as though Halo 3 predates Halo. You claim it's a loop afterall, right? And MC activates the rings for the "first" time in Halo 3, but that wouldn't explain how 343 Guilty Spark and Pentient Tangent remember the rings being activated "once" in Halo and Halo 2 by their creators. If your loop theory were to hold up, they would have to remember that the ring has been activated twice.

When do they start keeping track of the activations in your loop? You have to remember AI's don't forget this stuff like the "eternal hero" would.

  • 06.13.2006 11:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wuyie
Im not going to theorize on the AI's themselves because they do tend to go cucoo for coco puffs especially when isolated for 100,000 years but i begin counting from 3. If it is a loop and the activation of the Rings is somehow related to it, then its plausible y they only remember one firing. Here's how: The Chief is not sure if he should fire the Rings. Perhaps he consults 343. He fires them settin off the anomaly somehow. Now 343 is present at the time it is fired. He records it. He may be sent back in the anomaly. Now we start the 100,000 year cycle. If he goes back in the anomaly he still "remembers" the Ring being fired once. He was there. I think this is the way to go because he states he remembers when they were fired. This is where it gets muddy. because 343 states he was in isolation for 100,000. The fact that this time coincides with the supposed time the Chief is thrown back is strange. I honestly cant explain what happens. U could say divergent timelines. He has a "memory" of the recurring loop. Im goin to state this. Perhaps its the samething that occurs with the Chief. He goes back, but doesnt survive durin the entire 100,000 yr period. hell maybe he doesnt last the entire travel and is destroyed the first day he is there. But after 100,000 years somewhere along that timeline a "new" 343 is built. The nature of the anomaly could cause him to have some sort of distorted residual memory of his "past".


So how does 343 remember the first activation, but not the second? I don't get it. So the Master Chief will be carried back in time with these Monitors - And the Master Chief will remember, and feel sad, but 343 will be all like "what happened?"

hmm.. And 343 can "remember" the chief, but he can't remember the "activation."

That all doesn't make sense to me. I guess the Chief had to bring 343 up to date after the activation. The student teaches the teacher. lol

muddy, indeed. bunk, imo

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The forunners had to be humans, remember the covenant couldn't activate halo so they made a human do it (cause only they could) . and ya, the guilty spark speeked english.

  • 06.13.2006 11:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wuyie
There is no multiple firing. The firing 343 "remembers" hasnt technically happened yet. To me it will happen in 3. Thats the firing he remembers. The one he will be present at. The one that triggers the anomaly.


The firing 343 "remembers" is the one in which his creators activated the rings - At least in Halo 2.

"After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life in three radii of the galactic center, died ...as planned." -343

Penitent Tangent Confirms

"Not true. This installation has a successful utilization record of 1.2 trillion simulated and one actual. It is ready to fire on demand." -2401

We don't even know for sure that the rings are activated in Halo 3. It's a crazy thought, I know.

  • 06.13.2006 12:34 PM PDT

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Halo could take place in another timeline. After Halo 2.

It could go.

Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo

And that could make sense, with your theory - because it never states how many times the rings were activated in Halo, if I remember correctly.

The only problem with that is that Halo 2 comes after Halo.

"Your ignorance already destroyed one of the sacred rings, demon. It shall not harm another." -Arbiter

It's still too muddy.

  • 06.13.2006 12:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wuyie
There is no multiple firing. The firing 343 "remembers" hasnt technically happened yet. To me it will happen in 3. Thats the firing he remembers.


You can't remember something that hasn't "technically" happened yet. You can only remember something that "has" happened. Just fyi. Which is why Guilty Spark and Penitent Tangent remember the first activation.

Do you want me to come up with a theory that makes sense?

  • 06.13.2006 12:45 PM PDT

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Star Trek is for nerds, sorry. :p I might check it out now, just for kicks.

Posted by: Twelve Large
Do you want me to come up with a theory that makes sense?


Okay. Too late. Here it goes..

In Halo, 343 Guilty Spark has confused the Chief in MJOLNIR armor with someone else. lol Hey, it works!

  • 06.13.2006 1:00 PM PDT