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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
People who find bugs and tell other people about them ruin the game..if people found a bug then told Bungie..and not other players who will inturn ruin the ENTIRE MATCHMAKING system..well not ruin, but they're working on it..there are no accurate ranks anymore mostly due to these and other cheaters...

...Also, I don't see any other group of gamers who encourage the use of these bugs..none..MLG is the only one, it's fine in their tourneys off of LIVE, but on LIVE they are cheating..customs or not..


I agree that most ranks are skewed but not because of BXR or BXB. Mostly from Bridging and Modding. If the only kind of "cheating" was BXR or BXB there would be little, if no, skewing. Yes they are a fast way to get a kill on an otherwise slower process. The thing is is that they don't always work. Not every BXR or BXB works.

I don't consider it cheating. It is something that everyone can do. You just need to learn how to use it well. It is just like any weapon. Just because you know how to use a weapon well, such as the Plasma Pistol or Carbine, doesn't mean you are cheating. It isn't even a glitch. The game is doing what it is supposed to do.

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Wow. I'm not sure how, but somehow people have managed to squeak the old "MLG vs Everyone Else" battle into the new Halo 3 forum.

Seriously guys, enough! MLG discussion was shut down in the Zanzibar forum for a reason. Let apples be apples and oranges be oranges. Achronos has already pointed out the obvious about how Bungie will be making Halo 3, so I don't really see what is left to say.

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
People who find bugs and tell other people about them ruin the game..if people found a bug then told Bungie..and not other players who will inturn ruin the ENTIRE MATCHMAKING system..well not ruin, but they're working on it..there are no accurate ranks anymore mostly due to these and other cheaters...

...Also, I don't see any other group of gamers who encourage the use of these bugs..none..MLG is the only one, it's fine in their tourneys off of LIVE, but on LIVE they are cheating..customs or not..


I agree that most ranks are skewed but not because of BXR or BXB. Mostly from Bridging and Modding. If the only kind of "cheating" was BXR or BXB there would be little, if no, skewing. Yes they are a fast way to get a kill on an otherwise slower process. The thing is is that they don't always work. Not every BXR or BXB works.

I don't consider it cheating. It is something that everyone can do. You just need to learn how to use it well. It is just like any weapon. Just because you know how to use a weapon well, such as the Plasma Pistol or Carbine, doesn't mean you are cheating. It isn't even a glitch. The game is doing what it is supposed to do.

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Posted by: Achronos
Some of you apparently lack basic reading comprehension. Stop picking and choosing between posts to suit your vision of "reality", and try reading them together. This includes you Predat0r, since you're apparently trying to run the thread off topic by trying to start yet another -blam!--fest about bugs, even though there are plenty of other threads about this and the issue has been beaten to death already. Do it again and you'll be banned for a while; I have little patience right now for more idiotic trolling like yours. If you don't like it, tough, go whine to the Halo2Sucks.com guys, they like talking about that kind of thing.

Here are the facts - these aren't "opinions", or whatever word you are using to avoid what you don't want to hear.

1. Any use of a glitch/bug in a game to acquire an advantage is cheating on Xbox Live. This includes but is not limited to superbouncing, flag through the wall tricks, leaving the map boundaries, triggering an animation bug using a sequence of button presses (BXR, etc.)
2. Anytime you see someone cheating, you should leave feedback on them, but it is up to you whether to do so. You define whether an action is cheating - you can define the above actions as normal, or be hardcore and define all of them as cheating. Since you're the one reporting the cheater, you get to be the ultimate arbiter of if cheating is occuring. This is a very obvious thing to say, but most people don't understand this.
3. Different organizations have different rules. When you're on Xbox Live, you have to deal with our rules (which are in point 1 and 2). This means that anybody who is bringing up "what MLG does" needs to pull their head out of their ass and look around. Are we talking about an MLG tournament? Is this the MLG web site? No! That means that we're talking about Bungie rules for playing on Xbox Live. MLG is free to define whatever rules they want, and in their rules, button combos are part of the game. Super jumping (I believe) is not. But as what they do is off topic to this discussion, you need to stop talking about it like it matters to what happens on Xbox Live, because it doesn't.

Now, I'll let this thread continue, but you people need to stop dancing around the points made above - they are not opinions, they are "how it is."


Back on Topic now =D

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Posted by: Achronos
We shall do the same thing we have always done - we will make a game that we think is fun and hope everyone else likes it. So far, we've been pretty successful at that, so I think we'll be okay. And, if the anybody doesn't like the results (like the MLG, or anybody else), they can just play Halo 1 or Halo 2. We really don't take it personally if you like one game better than the other, like some of you guys seem to.

as you should games development isnt a popularity contest


No, but it is a business, and customers should be heard

  • 06.12.2006 11:35 PM PDT
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Verbose, as usual.

[quote]Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
StormyHeart, nice rant =D
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I'm gifted, what can I say?

@ OG, My post was just that, a rant. I was pushing waay to the other side of that kids arguement in an attempt to emphasize the fact that there are players out there who appreciate halo for all of the possible cool stuff that happens, not simply who is best at a certain set of 'skills'. I completely agree with your post. The game should be fun, first and foremost. Halo would not be what it is today if it werent for the fact that they absolutely nailed the gameplay. Beginners can pick up the controller, and after about three minutes getting used to things, just go at it, while seasoned veterans can use a multitude of little tricks to gain an advantage over other players. No matter how you look at Halo, a newer player will get worked by an experienced player, regardless of the starting weapon.

I just hope that they don't take this MLG thing too far, and make it so that the game is soo one one dementional that it gets booring too quickly.

On a side note... I think that it would be an interesting experiment to take a group of 4 new players, all with like 0 halo/XBOX experience, and have them play an MLG game, and represent that game as standard halo. I wonder what they would think.
Maby get them accustomed to playing only MLG games and maps, and then introduce them to the Default weapon set... I think that it would be really, very interesting to hear what they had to say.

  • 06.12.2006 11:38 PM PDT
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We shall do the same thing we have always done - we will make a game that we think is fun and hope everyone else likes it. So far, we've been pretty successful at that, so I think we'll be okay. And, if the anybody doesn't like the results (like the MLG, or anybody else), they can just play Halo 1 or Halo 2. We really don't take it personally if you like one game better than the other, like some of you guys seem to.

as you should games development isnt a popularity contest


No, but it is a business, and customers should be heard


They are... hence, the update, and the many different playlists that have been given based on user feedback. I don't see what the problem is, really?

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Posted by: Achronos
We shall do the same thing we have always done - we will make a game that we think is fun and hope everyone else likes it. So far, we've been pretty successful at that, so I think we'll be okay. And, if the anybody doesn't like the results (like the MLG, or anybody else), they can just play Halo 1 or Halo 2. We really don't take it personally if you like one game better than the other, like some of you guys seem to.

as you should games development isnt a popularity contest


No, but it is a business, and customers should be heard


Until you buy Halo 3, you are only a 'potential customer'. But considering there are millions and millions of 'potential customers', that would make you about as influential as a cucumber sandwich (myself included).

I'm not being mean, I'm just saying that with so many fans Bungie cannot rely on fan input for the game.

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It's all in the attitude concerning the flawlessness of their games

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Posted by: Usedtabe
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Posted by: Achronos
We shall do the same thing we have always done - we will make a game that we think is fun and hope everyone else likes it. So far, we've been pretty successful at that, so I think we'll be okay. And, if the anybody doesn't like the results (like the MLG, or anybody else), they can just play Halo 1 or Halo 2. We really don't take it personally if you like one game better than the other, like some of you guys seem to.

as you should games development isnt a popularity contest



No, but it is a business, and customers should be heard


Until you buy Halo 3, you are only a 'potential customer'. But considering there are millions and millions of 'potential customers', that would make you about as influential as a cucumber sandwich (myself included).

I'm not being mean, I'm just saying that with so many fans Bungie cannot rely on fan input for the game.


Agreed, at least not fully. But, it should be taken into some sense of consideration. again, i'm a fan of both games. Not Bungie bashing here at all

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yeah, i don't know sure mlg is HUGE and evryone loves the gaming hype, but halo 3 has to be different than halo 2, otherwise, and in fact, other people won't buy the game if its the same, there has to be different features, gameplay reactions and stuff like that, and no offense, but the battle rifle sucks, i mean, i'd rather have the assault rifle back, (well an upgraded one at least) :) .

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yeah, i don't know sure mlg is HUGE and evryone loves the gaming hype, but halo 3 has to be different than halo 2, otherwise, and in fact, other people won't buy the game if its the same, there has to be different features, gameplay reactions and stuff like that, and no offense, but the battle rifle sucks, i mean, i'd rather have the assault rifle back, (well an upgraded one at least) :) .

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  • 06.12.2006 11:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: StormyHeart
@ OG, My post was just that, a rant. I was pushing waay to the other side of that kids arguement in an attempt to emphasize the fact that there are players out there who appreciate halo for all of the possible cool stuff that happens, not simply who is best at a certain set of 'skills'

I understand. I think I got caught up with all this MLG bashing that my post sounded mean, atleast to me. I wasn't trying to correct you, just bring up what I thought.

[quote]Posted by: StormyHeart
I just hope that they don't take this MLG thing too far, and make it so that the game is soo one one dementional that it gets booring too quickly.


So do I. But they will make a game they think is fun, just as Achronos said. Also, with the keeping of the customization level like Halo 2, MLG will adapt.

[quote]Posted by: StormyHeart
On a side note... I think that it would be an interesting experiment to take a group of 4 new players, all with like 0 halo/XBOX experience, and have them play an MLG game, and represent that game as standard halo. I wonder what they would think.
Maby get them accustomed to playing only MLG games and maps, and then introduce them to the Default weapon set... I think that it would be really, very interesting to hear what they had to say.


That would be interesting to see. They would probably find SMG start bad or much easier.

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[quote]Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
StormyHeart, nice rant =D
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@ OG, My post was just that, a rant. I was pushing waay to the other side of that kids arguement in an attempt to emphasize the fact that there are players out there who appreciate halo for all of the possible cool stuff that happens, not simply who is best at a certain set of 'skills'. I completely agree with your post. The game should be fun, first and foremost. Halo would not be what it is today if it werent for the fact that they absolutely nailed the gameplay. Beginners can pick up the controller, and after about three minutes getting used to things, just go at it, while seasoned veterans can use a multitude of little tricks to gain an advantage over other players. No matter how you look at Halo, a newer player will get worked by an experienced player, regardless of the starting weapon.

I just hope that they don't take this MLG thing too far, and make it so that the game is soo one one dementional that it gets booring too quickly.

On a side note... I think that it would be an interesting experiment to take a group of 4 new players, all with like 0 halo/XBOX experience, and have them play an MLG game, and represent that game as standard halo. I wonder what they would think.
Maby get them accustomed to playing only MLG games and maps, and then introduce them to the Default weapon set... I think that it would be really, very interesting to hear what they had to say.

Your idea would be a good one..They would all be like "What the hell is this? How did this sell 120 million copies on it's launch day?" then we give them radar, open up the map variety and give them a starting weapon which takes more skill to use, and leaves the need to actually use other weapons..it would be like a breath of fresh air..

Maybe we could do that experiment on our own..do you have any nintendo or sony fans who live near you, who don't play Halo?

  • 06.12.2006 11:53 PM PDT
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yeah, i don't know sure mlg is HUGE and evryone loves the gaming hype, but halo 3 has to be different than halo 2, otherwise, and in fact, other people won't buy the game if its the same, there has to be different features, gameplay reactions and stuff like that, and no offense, but the battle rifle sucks, i mean, i'd rather have the assault rifle back, (well an upgraded one at least) :) .


  • 06.12.2006 11:54 PM PDT

i dont want to see MLG implemented in Halo 3, its creates more arseholes who go, im in MLG which means im better than you, and its like, no your not because you need to get the sword banned because its to goo in combat.. what about the shotgun?

  • 06.13.2006 1:00 AM PDT

Posted by: trigger f1nger
Bungie i just want to try and get a point across, i strongly beleive that MLG will help make halo 3 even bigger than what it will be.

I think that bungie need to embrace major league gaming and really focus on making halo 3 a competetively played game, MLG is getting bigger by the day and in years to come i can see MLG being as big as any sport in the world.

Bungie have the chance of being at the pinnacle of competetive gaming if they follow along the lines of halo 2, in other words dont change the gameplay its already perfect. Keep all the customiseable options, if the games fully customiseable then it can be altered to be as balanced as possible.

Obviously dont stray from the fun factor, and dont change the gameplay we still play halo2 for a reason.

P.S dont remove the battle rifle, i love it lol.


Just ignore everything this kid said and it'll all be good.

Shut up. Where the -blam!- do you get off, asking for Halo 2.1 rather than the Halo 3 which people want? Don't change the gameplay it's perfect? Piss off. It was perfect in Halo 1, that doesn't mean they didn't change it. There will be change, it is going to be a different game, and if you have to learn it all over again so much the better.

  • 06.13.2006 2:14 AM PDT

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MLG players are a very small minority of people who will play halo3. So the game should not be catered to your liking, Bungie will do it how they want to so just deal with it.

  • 06.13.2006 3:32 AM PDT

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ahhh...that's what MLG stands/stood for...

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Posted by: Achronos
We really don't take it personally if you like one game better than the other, like some of you guys seem to.


Cus' you guys made them all :)

EDIT: Whoa....sorry, a little late for that.

[Edited on 6/13/2006]

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We shall do the same thing we have always done - we will make a game that we think is fun and hope everyone else likes it. So far, we've been pretty successful at that, so I think we'll be okay. And, if the anybody doesn't like the results (like the MLG, or anybody else), they can just play Halo 1 or Halo 2. We really don't take it personally if you like one game better than the other, like some of you guys seem to.

I'd be interested to hear Tom, just how you guys thought that making Halo 2's campaign consist of infinitely respawning vehicles for about 50% of it, and making Jackal Snipers that you have to memorise the location of, fun. Or perhaps it was even intentionally designed to be filler due to time constraints? (Not I'd get an answer to that last question)

As for MLG. No-one's asking you guys to specifically cater to them, but it'd be insane not to pass up the opportunity to help that field grow. Add a spectator mode* (something Microsoft patented recently). Add customisable weapon sets, so MLG/CAL/players/whoever can customise the game how they want.

Bungie's always tried to set themselves apart from other gaming companies. Few have such a high profile game, that's on the verge of becoming televised. Be one of the first to actively support it.

*If this allowed the debug camera, and the control display to be turned off, it'd also help machinemania producers out a lot ... supporting the community even more at the same time.

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Gameplay wise the Halo games so far R Perfect there should bo no changes at all well maybee some tiny improvements but no major change overs

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Posted by: Achronos
We shall do the same thing we have always done - we will make a game that we think is fun and hope everyone else likes it. So far, we've been pretty successful at that, so I think we'll be okay. And, if the anybody doesn't like the results (like the MLG, or anybody else), they can just play Halo 1 or Halo 2. We really don't take it personally if you like one game better than the other, like some of you guys seem to.

as you should games development isnt a popularity contest


No, but it is a business, and customers should be heard

when a game is in development you are only a potential buyer thus when making a game wse couldn't care less its our decision no one else

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  • 06.13.2006 5:27 AM PDT

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Why don't you guys just trust in the company that has been making these great games for years?

Halo 3 does not need to revolve around MLG and MLG shouldn't revlolve around Halo. There are other games that are played in MLG besides Halo you know.

Ultimately it's Bungies decision to put whatever they feel is necessary in to their game. I'm sure they're going to keep matchmaking with updates and in Halo 3 there will most likely end up being a Match type catered for the more dedicated and serious players.

So stop blabbing your mouth how they are "Stupid" and "not listening to their fans", because out of all the game companies i've seen, Bungie has the greatest support towards their fans.

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The last time we had an MLG debate, every idiot with a keyboard signed on here and posted about it.

It's been my experience that customers are generally idiots. They wouldn't know what made a game GREAT if it came up and bit them in the face and then threw them across the room.


It's also been my experience that while Bungie has stated THOUSANDS of times that the MLG people are a MINORITY... And thus won't be CATERED TO (like a true democracy should be) they kept whining and complaining until they got their way.

They think they are above the rules and the way the business runs things simply because they have such big egos and some other company will give them money for winning a VIDEO GAME.

Don't get me wrong, there are SOME nice MLG players out there...

But most of the ones I've met, are all jerks. And I really can't blame Bungie for RESISTING the urge to grant them a playlist for so long. I mean... if someone whined to you every single day to the point that MLG discussion was BANNED from the forums, you wouldn't want to do what they wanted either. ESPECIALLY if they were in the minority.

And I'm pretty sure Team Slayer got a lot more plays than any MLG playlist did. Still does, if I'm not mistaken. I think even Team Swat is doing better NOW than MLG did in its prime...


If you want to enjoy MLG, please do so.

But don't make Bungie put up a playlist just for you. If you don't have friends who can LAN with you, then you should probably rethink what's important to you (perhaps be a little more social?). And if you can't go to an MLG tournament, perhaps you should nab a job like most of us.

I'm not plopping down my hard-earned cash on a game, only to find that much of it is MLG style.

I hate MLG style play, I hate the people who play it, and I hate how dull it is.

I think most people only say MLG is fun because they want to be more "skilled" than they are. Skill is relative, like beauty. It's in the eye of the beholder. Skill doesn't make fun, and fun leaves no room for skill. I think a lot of you say you like MLG 'cause you want to feel better than a vast majority of people who hate it. The fact that you say it's so big and that MLG is so important is a dead giveaway. Just because they sponser contests, doesn't mean they're good, or that it's balanced and fun. You simply take it as "skill" because you don't know what else to call a game that's not fun. Except "boring". And who would buy into a cause that has you saying it's more boring than other gametypes?

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