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Halsey did say they were EQUALS so it would be a close one

  • 07.03.2012 4:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Cheeto666
He is a Spartan II, Noble 6 a Spartan III. Spartan III's were great soldiers, but never received the same level of training and biological modification that the Spartan II's received.

The Chief's reflexes will be faster, he is likely more intelligent, at the very least the same strength as Noble 6,and has decades more experience in all forms of combat.

That, and he's just lucky, while Noble 6 kind of got the short straw.


Spartan III training is actually labeled as "Better" then S2 training. Point A, null.
Spartan III and Spartan II share EVERY SINGLE AUGMENATION, bar the thyroid implant. Even then, according to what I've read, thyroid implant was required for the S2 augmentations to fully affect the body. s3 augmentations were improved to the point of not needing it.

Reflexes might be faster. Never seen evidence S2 reflexes were always better then S3. More intelligent... he might have some more academic knowledge then Six, but I'll just point out how the 'not as schooled' soldiers can be smarter in a battlefield then the officers who spend years in school. Strength, is literally the same. Chief might have a TINY edge due to Thyroid implant, but they are basically equal in that area.

Decades more experience... working in a team. Seriously, look at the missions we hear Chief doing. Every. Single. One. is a team mission. So, His realm of experience as a solo fighter is his 'lowest stat'. Even then, as I've heard it... at a certain point your skill just levels out. You can train for 20 years... and still be just as good as somebody who trained for six. Course, your point assumes he's spent decades in combat alone. I find that unlikely. You dismiss time spent in slipspace or cryo-sleep. He served for around 27 years from being 14 on the carrier and fighting the ODSTs. How much was in battle? How much in travel time?

Luck is no measure of winning a battle. You cannot account 'luck' as a factor. Course, I can also twist that to use the old saying that "Lady Luck favors the weak and foolish" I think it was?

Either way, Six didn't have to rely on luck. He relied on his own skill and experience to win his battles. He didn't have to get lucky to win. He died because HE chose to stay behind and protect the PoA as it launched. Luck wasn't involved. He knew he was going to die on the battlefield and fought till the end.



Edit: Augmentations got dealt with. S2's have thyroid implant. Otherwise everything is the exact same results. Nothing's proven the S2's are stronger, faster, or have better reflexes cause their augmentations were surgery instead of injections.

Six clearly has experience against the Covenant. He knew exactly how strong a Zealot shield strength was. You don't encounter those in just any battle. Even then, I'd say the fact he's described as taking out entire bases by himself says he is capable of handling what's thrown at him.

That and you know, they were capable of taking out large forces of Covenant including hand to hand combat...
You're wrong on most points.

First of all. II's were spent on the most. III's were made for shere numbers, primarily. The hope that most would live on to train or create new groups of SPARTANs. III's, majority of them are dead. II's, of which are still alive, half of them. Are still fighting anyway. It was stated the augmentations progress from more use. It's self explanatory. Like how I get better when I practice soccer, lacrosse or any other activity. Most notably MC has been battling for a while. His age altered by Cyro-sleep, but is still in the wide range of experience. His prowess lengthened. This is on one SPARTAN, but MC has an advanced AI. Which gives him even more heightened reflexes. MC is not a low on single handily defeating groups of enemies, or objectives, but it doesn't mean he sucks because he is not a "lone wolf". Team work matters, always.

Chief has been accounted on situations N6 has when he stayed to clear the way for the PoA. He just got lucky to survive, along with his intellect. He has been a Prisoner of War many times, but it didn't count for the medal. You literally fail to realise the true facts of things. Any Spartan can tell, or any soldier can tell shield strength of an Elite. It can be common sense due to their ranks. You think a General Elite will have a minor shield strength? That's cheap, no. I just observed and stated a true fact.

  • 07.03.2012 5:54 PM PDT

Three's were made to be more numerous, but they were never trained to be disposable suicide soldiers. Only Ackerson treated them as such.

The 3's the majority are dead because they got given crap armor and placed in an impossible situation. But WAIT, they completed EVERY FREAKING OBJECTIVE before dying. And only got taken out by an OVERWHELMING Covenant counter-attack. Hell, it took DAYS for alpha company to be destroyed. It took a fleet landing thousands of soldiers to take out Beta.

The Spartan II's got placed in a similar situation at Reach. Nearly every single one died just like the 3's.

I'm fairly sure it was stated "As the Spartans get used to the augmentations, we might see more stats." Even then, there would be an upper limit. Chief may well hit that but the same could be said for Six. Not enough information is given to factly say Chief has the bonus in that area.

Who said Chief get's Cortana in this duel? While not stated I approach as Both are in mark V armor, no cortana. She's an AI in addition to a piece of equipment, so if she was involved it should state "Chief+Cortana vs Noble Six."

Team Work matters yes, but every. single. battle. before Halo 04 he was operating as a team leader. His number of fights he did solo is not stated much as very high at all, if he did any. Hell, it's stated in the Flood, his first fight on 04 he nearly got flanked. Then went "I don't have a team... I gotta get away from thinking somebody has my back."

Chief has NEVER, EVER been a prisoner of war. Please provide proof of that claim or I'll never believe it. Lucky to survive means he didn't use his skills to survive, or his skills didn't cut it. So you are saying Chief is extremely skilled, but has to rely on luck to live? Six never needed luck, Six relied on his skills to win.

True fact of things? Any soldier wouldn't be able to tell the exact shield strength of a zealot, hell, I doubt any random soldier would truly tell the difference of armor besides "That one's tougher!"

Note how it's stated. Jorge: "Their armor configuration matched Zealots."
Six: "Shield strength too."

It wasn't stated like a "shields were tough." for me, it came across as a "I've seen zealot shield strengths." Hell, again, NOT EVERYBODY HAS FACED ZEALOTS. To face Zealots, that implies Six has fought the Covenant heavily just as much as rebels.


So again, I don't see how I'm wrong on so many points.

  • 07.03.2012 6:27 PM PDT

Ok, this is still going on? I thought six was fadeing into a has been bad-ass. Chief will always win. Chief has far more experience. He is stronger, faster and can jump higher. In some cases has better weapons, the only thing 6 has is AA's.

  • 07.03.2012 7:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Cheeto666
He is a Spartan II, Noble 6 a Spartan III. Spartan III's were great soldiers, but never received the same level of training and biological modification that the Spartan II's received.

The Chief's reflexes will be faster, he is likely more intelligent, at the very least the same strength as Noble 6,and has decades more experience in all forms of combat.

That, and he's just lucky, while Noble 6 kind of got the short straw.


Spartan III training is actually labeled as "Better" then S2 training. Point A, null.
Spartan III and Spartan II share EVERY SINGLE AUGMENATION, bar the thyroid implant. Even then, according to what I've read, thyroid implant was required for the S2 augmentations to fully affect the body. s3 augmentations were improved to the point of not needing it.

Reflexes might be faster. Never seen evidence S2 reflexes were always better then S3. More intelligent... he might have some more academic knowledge then Six, but I'll just point out how the 'not as schooled' soldiers can be smarter in a battlefield then the officers who spend years in school. Strength, is literally the same. Chief might have a TINY edge due to Thyroid implant, but they are basically equal in that area.

Decades more experience... working in a team. Seriously, look at the missions we hear Chief doing. Every. Single. One. is a team mission. So, His realm of experience as a solo fighter is his 'lowest stat'. Even then, as I've heard it... at a certain point your skill just levels out. You can train for 20 years... and still be just as good as somebody who trained for six. Course, your point assumes he's spent decades in combat alone. I find that unlikely. You dismiss time spent in slipspace or cryo-sleep. He served for around 27 years from being 14 on the carrier and fighting the ODSTs. How much was in battle? How much in travel time?

Luck is no measure of winning a battle. You cannot account 'luck' as a factor. Course, I can also twist that to use the old saying that "Lady Luck favors the weak and foolish" I think it was?

Either way, Six didn't have to rely on luck. He relied on his own skill and experience to win his battles. He didn't have to get lucky to win. He died because HE chose to stay behind and protect the PoA as it launched. Luck wasn't involved. He knew he was going to die on the battlefield and fought till the end.



Edit: Augmentations got dealt with. S2's have thyroid implant. Otherwise everything is the exact same results. Nothing's proven the S2's are stronger, faster, or have better reflexes cause their augmentations were surgery instead of injections.

Six clearly has experience against the Covenant. He knew exactly how strong a Zealot shield strength was. You don't encounter those in just any battle. Even then, I'd say the fact he's described as taking out entire bases by himself says he is capable of handling what's thrown at him.

That and you know, they were capable of taking out large forces of Covenant including hand to hand combat...
You're wrong on most points.

First of all. II's were spent on the most. III's were made for shere numbers, primarily. The hope that most would live on to train or create new groups of SPARTANs. III's, majority of them are dead. II's, of which are still alive, half of them. Are still fighting anyway. It was stated the augmentations progress from more use. It's self explanatory. Like how I get better when I practice soccer, lacrosse or any other activity. Most notably MC has been battling for a while. His age altered by Cyro-sleep, but is still in the wide range of experience. His prowess lengthened. This is on one SPARTAN, but MC has an advanced AI. Which gives him even more heightened reflexes. MC is not a low on single handily defeating groups of enemies, or objectives, but it doesn't mean he sucks because he is not a "lone wolf". Team work matters, always.

Chief has been accounted on situations N6 has when he stayed to clear the way for the PoA. He just got lucky to survive, along with his intellect. He has been a Prisoner of War many times, but it didn't count for the medal. You literally fail to realise the true facts of things. Any Spartan can tell, or any soldier can tell shield strength of an Elite. It can be common sense due to their ranks. You think a General Elite will have a minor shield strength? That's cheap, no. I just observed and stated a true fact.


Spartan III training was better to make up the demand for more Spartans, also augmentations were superior.

"It would be an honor to serve under Chief Mendez," Kurt replied. One of Ackerson's brows quirked up. "Indeed." He motioned at Kurt's secure tablet. "Read. New training protocols have been outlined as well as an improved augmentation regime. We've learned much from the unfortunate medical processes Dr Halsey had at her disposal."

Kurt balled his hands into fists, remembering the pain of the bone grafts like glass breaking inside his marrow, and the fire that had burned along every nerve as they had been reengi-neered for enhanced speed. As he read he started to grasp the opportunities and challenges of this new program. The new bioaugmentations were a quantum leap ahead of those he had received. There were lower projected wash-out rates. There was, however, only a fraction of the original SPARTAN program training time and budget. MJOLNIR armor was to be replaced with something called Semi-Powered Infiltration (SPI) armor systems.


"With these new candidates," Kurt said, "you're trying to do more with less." Ackerson nodded. "They'll be sent on missions with higher strategic values but correspondingly lower survival probabilities. That's where you come in, Kurt.

We need your training as a Spartan, and all your field experience passed along to these candidates. You need to make these Spartans better and train them faster. This program may be the key to our survival in this war."


While Kurt didn't understand all the ramifications, he now understood the importance of the end result. His initial feeling of unease, however, remained. How many of these new Spartans were going to die? He steeled himself. He'd do everything he could to see they had the best training, the best equipment, be the best soldiers humanity had ever produced. Even then, though, would it be enough?

Kurt watched the incoming Pelicans. The blocky jet-powered craft were so distant they were only specks against the setting sun. He hit the magnification on his faceplate and saw lines of fire tracing their reentry vectors. They would touch down in three minutes. In the last six months ]he had developed a training regime tougher than the original SPARTAN program. He had created obstacle courses, firing ranges, classrooms, mess halls, and dormitories from what had been jungle and scrub plain.

He had received every piece of equipment he had requested from NavSpecWep Section Three. Guns, ammunition, dropships, tanks even samples of Covenant technology and weaponry had appeared as if by sleight of hand.

  • 07.03.2012 7:23 PM PDT


Posted by: ImpishFountain
Ok, this is still going on? I thought six was fadeing into a has been bad-ass. Chief will always win. Chief has far more experience. He is stronger, faster and can jump higher. In some cases has better weapons, the only thing 6 has is AA's.


Only... he isn't greatly stronger, faster, or has a higher jump height.

His movement and Six's movement in Mark V is similar.

  • 07.03.2012 7:24 PM PDT

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Also, to the point of Spartan II's still alive:

Since when 5 or so is the half of 75?

  • 07.03.2012 7:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Three's were made to be more numerous, but they were never trained to be disposable suicide soldiers. Only Ackerson treated them as such.

The 3's the majority are dead because they got given crap armor and placed in an impossible situation. But WAIT, they completed EVERY FREAKING OBJECTIVE before dying. And only got taken out by an OVERWHELMING Covenant counter-attack. Hell, it took DAYS for alpha company to be destroyed. It took a fleet landing thousands of soldiers to take out Beta.

The Spartan II's got placed in a similar situation at Reach. Nearly every single one died just like the 3's.

I'm fairly sure it was stated "As the Spartans get used to the augmentations, we might see more stats." Even then, there would be an upper limit. Chief may well hit that but the same could be said for Six. Not enough information is given to factly say Chief has the bonus in that area.

Who said Chief get's Cortana in this duel? While not stated I approach as Both are in mark V armor, no cortana. She's an AI in addition to a piece of equipment, so if she was involved it should state "Chief+Cortana vs Noble Six."

Team Work matters yes, but every. single. battle. before Halo 04 he was operating as a team leader. His number of fights he did solo is not stated much as very high at all, if he did any. Hell, it's stated in the Flood, his first fight on 04 he nearly got flanked. Then went "I don't have a team... I gotta get away from thinking somebody has my back."

Chief has NEVER, EVER been a prisoner of war. Please provide proof of that claim or I'll never believe it. Lucky to survive means he didn't use his skills to survive, or his skills didn't cut it. So you are saying Chief is extremely skilled, but has to rely on luck to live? Six never needed luck, Six relied on his skills to win.

True fact of things? Any soldier wouldn't be able to tell the exact shield strength of a zealot, hell, I doubt any random soldier would truly tell the difference of armor besides "That one's tougher!"

Note how it's stated. Jorge: "Their armor configuration matched Zealots."
Six: "Shield strength too."

It wasn't stated like a "shields were tough." for me, it came across as a "I've seen zealot shield strengths." Hell, again, NOT EVERYBODY HAS FACED ZEALOTS. To face Zealots, that implies Six has fought the Covenant heavily just as much as rebels.


So again, I don't see how I'm wrong on so many points.
This is just obnoxious. You don't know your facts well. I believe Gamma Company is still alive for the III's. They aren't dead, and it's Reach. What do you expect? Headhunters and Noble were given better equipment. Headhunters being my personal favorite. Read the books. Chief was prisoner of war many times.

Look, I don't even remember what we were fighting about. N6 or MC?

  • 07.04.2012 12:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ImpishFountain
Ok, this is still going on? I thought six was fadeing into a has been bad-ass. Chief will always win. Chief has far more experience. He is stronger, faster and can jump higher. In some cases has better weapons, the only thing 6 has is AA's.


Only... he isn't greatly stronger, faster, or has a higher jump height.

His movement and Six's movement in Mark V is similar.
KID. N6 has Halo 1 armor. MC has MJOLNIR MK VI, and the training is different from III training. MC has been fighting for a while. Note that N6 is dead and MC is not. MC won anyway.

  • 07.04.2012 12:09 AM PDT


Posted by: im the next halo
This is just obnoxious. You don't know your facts well. I believe Gamma Company is still alive for the III's. They aren't dead, and it's Reach. What do you expect? Headhunters and Noble were given better equipment. Headhunters being my personal favorite. Read the books. Chief was prisoner of war many times.

Look, I don't even remember what we were fighting about. N6 or MC?


So. around 600 of around 900 is not the majority? Heck, it's your own words you are saying.

Again, burden of proof is on you. I've read all the books and Chief was never captured for more then a few minutes once. Which was against rebels. The Covenant never captured him truly.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ImpishFountain
Ok, this is still going on? I thought six was fadeing into a has been bad-ass. Chief will always win. Chief has far more experience. He is stronger, faster and can jump higher. In some cases has better weapons, the only thing 6 has is AA's.


Only... he isn't greatly stronger, faster, or has a higher jump height.

His movement and Six's movement in Mark V is similar.
KID. N6 has Halo 1 armor. MC has MJOLNIR MK VI, and the training is different from III training. MC has been fighting for a while. Note that N6 is dead and MC is not. MC won anyway.


As the OP doesn't state exactly what armors they get, I'm placing both in Mark V with no AI. Placing chief in Mark VI gives him an advantage by default when it's not good for the debate.

Look up the page. Snake has posted many, straight from the book, quotes about S3 training being better then S2. Canon says so buddy.

Okay then, going off the logic of the final two sentences. "Buck is alive but Johnson is not. Therefore in a fight between the two Buck will always win."
"Yoda is dead but Luke Skywalker is not. Therefore Luke will always beat Yoda."
"(Guild wars one) Togo is dead, but that annoying ritualist henchmen in the starter zone is alive. Therefore, that henchmen would always win in a fight between the two."

MC did not 'win anyway'. Besides, you've established they Chief requires luck to win, instead of his own skills. As opposed to Six who never relied on luck. I'd say that makes Six win by default.

[Edited on 07.04.2012 4:26 AM PDT]

  • 07.04.2012 4:23 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

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Posted by: HipiO7
We don´t really get to see Noble Six´s full potential.
I can already see it. Damn.

-taking out high priority individuals
-taking high priority individuals prisoner
-actual hostage/civilian rescue missions (not one where killing a civilian by accident automatically punishes the player. I've heard of instances where a soldier accidentally shot a civilian because he stood up. In the dark. Does that mean he deserves to be punished? It was a -blam!- accident!)
-working with more UNSC people (it's sad that only Noble Team can follow you so far while everyone else is left to be glassed by Covie cruisers)
-stronger human presence (seriously, 90% of the time, it's dead militia people everywhere. With no weapons lying around them. I doubt Covies would be smart enough to move weapons away from them. In a real war, I'm pretty sure such weapons would be confiscated...)

Noble Team hogged so much of the action. I thought it was supposed to be about Reach...


Don´t forget Six was used to working on his own while the Chief wasn´t up until the events of Halo CE where even he admitted he was underperforming because he was still fighting as part of a unit and not alone.

Six is better than the Chief in this regard.

  • 07.04.2012 10:50 AM PDT

I DO have time to bleed...i just dont want to.

john is a master chief petty officer and noble 6 is a captain or somthing enough said

  • 07.05.2012 3:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: HipiO7
We don´t really get to see Noble Six´s full potential.
I can already see it. Damn.

-taking out high priority individuals
-taking high priority individuals prisoner
-actual hostage/civilian rescue missions (not one where killing a civilian by accident automatically punishes the player. I've heard of instances where a soldier accidentally shot a civilian because he stood up. In the dark. Does that mean he deserves to be punished? It was a -blam!- accident!)
-working with more UNSC people (it's sad that only Noble Team can follow you so far while everyone else is left to be glassed by Covie cruisers)
-stronger human presence (seriously, 90% of the time, it's dead militia people everywhere. With no weapons lying around them. I doubt Covies would be smart enough to move weapons away from them. In a real war, I'm pretty sure such weapons would be confiscated...)

Noble Team hogged so much of the action. I thought it was supposed to be about Reach...


Don´t forget Six was used to working on his own while the Chief wasn´t up until the events of Halo CE where even he admitted he was underperforming because he was still fighting as part of a unit and not alone.

Six is better than the Chief in this regard.
The funny thing is that "I" never dropped the lone wolf stuff like Carter wanted me to.

If the Reach campaign was trying to keep players in a team, it did a horrible job. It broke it up too quickly as well.

  • 07.05.2012 4:51 PM PDT

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john is a master chief petty officer and noble 6 is a captain or somthing enough said


Wow. That post was so ignorant and just....it's stupid.

  • 07.05.2012 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: GOLDENSKULL95
john is a master chief petty officer and noble 6 is a captain or somthing enough said


Wow. That post was so ignorant and just....it's stupid.

I agree. I mean, Six is a Lieutenant is he not?

  • 07.05.2012 5:03 PM PDT

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  • 07.05.2012 5:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: GOLDENSKULL95
john is a master chief petty officer and noble 6 is a captain or somthing enough said


Wow. That post was so ignorant and just....it's stupid.

I agree. I mean, Six is a Lieutenant is he not?


I see what you did there.

And I'm blind.

/notreally

[Edited on 07.05.2012 5:20 PM PDT]

  • 07.05.2012 5:20 PM PDT

I think Chief would win because of his luck.
They would get in a fight.
And Chief would swing.
Then six would duck.
Then Chief would swing.
Then six would be hit.
Then six would swing.
Then Chief would back-flip.
Then Six would karate kick him.
Then Chief would fall down.
Then Chief would get up.
Then six would go to hit him but because Chief is luck six wud fall.
Then Chief wud gt his assult rifle and powpowpowpwoepwoepwoepw him.
Chief wins.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: im the next halo
This is just obnoxious. You don't know your facts well. I believe Gamma Company is still alive for the III's. They aren't dead, and it's Reach. What do you expect? Headhunters and Noble were given better equipment. Headhunters being my personal favorite. Read the books. Chief was prisoner of war many times.

Look, I don't even remember what we were fighting about. N6 or MC?


So. around 600 of around 900 is not the majority? Heck, it's your own words you are saying.

Again, burden of proof is on you. I've read all the books and Chief was never captured for more then a few minutes once. Which was against rebels. The Covenant never captured him truly.

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Posted by: ImpishFountain
Ok, this is still going on? I thought six was fadeing into a has been bad-ass. Chief will always win. Chief has far more experience. He is stronger, faster and can jump higher. In some cases has better weapons, the only thing 6 has is AA's.


Only... he isn't greatly stronger, faster, or has a higher jump height.

His movement and Six's movement in Mark V is similar.
KID. N6 has Halo 1 armor. MC has MJOLNIR MK VI, and the training is different from III training. MC has been fighting for a while. Note that N6 is dead and MC is not. MC won anyway.


As the OP doesn't state exactly what armors they get, I'm placing both in Mark V with no AI. Placing chief in Mark VI gives him an advantage by default when it's not good for the debate.

Look up the page. Snake has posted many, straight from the book, quotes about S3 training being better then S2. Canon says so buddy.

Okay then, going off the logic of the final two sentences. "Buck is alive but Johnson is not. Therefore in a fight between the two Buck will always win."
"Yoda is dead but Luke Skywalker is not. Therefore Luke will always beat Yoda."
"(Guild wars one) Togo is dead, but that annoying ritualist henchmen in the starter zone is alive. Therefore, that henchmen would always win in a fight between the two."

MC did not 'win anyway'. Besides, you've established they Chief requires luck to win, instead of his own skills. As opposed to Six who never relied on luck. I'd say that makes Six win by default.
You're an idiot. S2's received more and better battle simulations than the III's. I never stated Chief needs luck to win. You're putting words in my mouth. Six is stated 'hyper-lethal'. Any Spartan can have that title. Be quiet and very lethal. MC has been that before he doned his friggin armor. He almost killed two Experienced Marines as a boy, before any rigorous training or augmentations. Chief can be a lone wolf, but is more of a team leader. Six is a lone wolf. He practically decides all his decisions on his own without anyone to back him up.

I'm going by canon, again, kid. N6 can get his MK V and MC gets his MK VI. Which he recieves at the beginning of H2. He's had an AI with him from the start. We ain't altering the characters. Because that's cheating and we can might as well give either one an advantage if we alter them. In that case you desperatly want Six to win, when really, he won't, and Bungie as well as 343i will tell you exactly that Six is a III who hasn't been pampered like a lucky rich boy like MC, so therefore Six loses. End of Story stop giving me excuses.

  • 07.06.2012 11:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: im the next halo
This is just obnoxious. You don't know your facts well. I believe Gamma Company is still alive for the III's. They aren't dead, and it's Reach. What do you expect? Headhunters and Noble were given better equipment. Headhunters being my personal favorite. Read the books. Chief was prisoner of war many times.

Look, I don't even remember what we were fighting about. N6 or MC?


So. around 600 of around 900 is not the majority? Heck, it's your own words you are saying.

Again, burden of proof is on you. I've read all the books and Chief was never captured for more then a few minutes once. Which was against rebels. The Covenant never captured him truly.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ImpishFountain
Ok, this is still going on? I thought six was fadeing into a has been bad-ass. Chief will always win. Chief has far more experience. He is stronger, faster and can jump higher. In some cases has better weapons, the only thing 6 has is AA's.


Only... he isn't greatly stronger, faster, or has a higher jump height.

His movement and Six's movement in Mark V is similar.
KID. N6 has Halo 1 armor. MC has MJOLNIR MK VI, and the training is different from III training. MC has been fighting for a while. Note that N6 is dead and MC is not. MC won anyway.


As the OP doesn't state exactly what armors they get, I'm placing both in Mark V with no AI. Placing chief in Mark VI gives him an advantage by default when it's not good for the debate.

Look up the page. Snake has posted many, straight from the book, quotes about S3 training being better then S2. Canon says so buddy.

Okay then, going off the logic of the final two sentences. "Buck is alive but Johnson is not. Therefore in a fight between the two Buck will always win."
"Yoda is dead but Luke Skywalker is not. Therefore Luke will always beat Yoda."
"(Guild wars one) Togo is dead, but that annoying ritualist henchmen in the starter zone is alive. Therefore, that henchmen would always win in a fight between the two."

MC did not 'win anyway'. Besides, you've established they Chief requires luck to win, instead of his own skills. As opposed to Six who never relied on luck. I'd say that makes Six win by default.
You're an idiot. S2's received more and better battle simulations than the III's. I never stated Chief needs luck to win. You're putting words in my mouth. Six is stated 'hyper-lethal'. Any Spartan can have that title. Be quiet and very lethal. MC has been that before he doned his friggin armor. He almost killed two Experienced Marines as a boy, before any rigorous training or augmentations. Chief can be a lone wolf, but is more of a team leader. Six is a lone wolf. He practically decides all his decisions on his own without anyone to back him up.

I'm going by canon, again, kid. N6 can get his MK V and MC gets his MK VI. Which he recieves at the beginning of H2. He's had an AI with him from the start. We ain't altering the characters. Because that's cheating and we can might as well give either one an advantage if we alter them. In that case you desperatly want Six to win, when really, he won't, and Bungie as well as 343i will tell you exactly that Six is a III who hasn't been pampered like a lucky rich boy like MC, so therefore Six loses. End of Story stop giving me excuses.


Burden of proof is on you to provide quotes and/or scans that show that Spartan II training is better, otherwise your argument is null. I already quoted Ghosts of Onyx proving that the Spartan III training was better even though you refuse to acknowledge it because you cannot stand the idea that somebody may be better than your beloved chief (something painfully obvious by your posts here and in the Master Chief vs Boba Fett thread).

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Posted by: im the next halo
This is just obnoxious. You don't know your facts well. I believe Gamma Company is still alive for the III's. They aren't dead, and it's Reach. What do you expect? Headhunters and Noble were given better equipment. Headhunters being my personal favorite. Read the books. Chief was prisoner of war many times.

Look, I don't even remember what we were fighting about. N6 or MC? [/quote]

So. around 600 of around 900 is not the majority? Heck, it's your own words you are saying.

Again, burden of proof is on you. I've read all the books and Chief was never captured for more then a few minutes once. Which was against rebels. The Covenant never captured him truly.

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Ok, this is still going on? I thought six was fadeing into a has been bad-ass. Chief will always win. Chief has far more experience. He is stronger, faster and can jump higher. In some cases has better weapons, the only thing 6 has is AA's.[/quote]

Only... he isn't greatly stronger, faster, or has a higher jump height.

His movement and Six's movement in Mark V is similar.
KID. N6 has Halo 1 armor. MC has MJOLNIR MK VI, and the training is different from III training. MC has been fighting for a while. Note that N6 is dead and MC is not. MC won anyway.


As the OP doesn't state exactly what armors they get, I'm placing both in Mark V with no AI. Placing chief in Mark VI gives him an advantage by default when it's not good for the debate.

Look up the page. Snake has posted many, straight from the book, quotes about S3 training being better then S2. Canon says so buddy.

Okay then, going off the logic of the final two sentences. "Buck is alive but Johnson is not. Therefore in a fight between the two Buck will always win."
"Yoda is dead but Luke Skywalker is not. Therefore Luke will always beat Yoda."
"(Guild wars one) Togo is dead, but that annoying ritualist henchmen in the starter zone is alive. Therefore, that henchmen would always win in a fight between the two."

MC did not 'win anyway'. Besides, you've established they Chief requires luck to win, instead of his own skills. As opposed to Six who never relied on luck. I'd say that makes Six win by default.
You're an idiot. S2's received more and better battle simulations than the III's. I never stated Chief needs luck to win. You're putting words in my mouth. Six is stated 'hyper-lethal'. Any Spartan can have that title. Be quiet and very lethal. MC has been that before he doned his friggin armor. He almost killed two Experienced Marines as a boy, before any rigorous training or augmentations. Chief can be a lone wolf, but is more of a team leader. Six is a lone wolf. He practically decides all his decisions on his own without anyone to back him up.

I'm going by canon, again, kid. N6 can get his MK V and MC gets his MK VI. Which he recieves at the beginning of H2. He's had an AI with him from the start. We ain't altering the characters. Because that's cheating and we can might as well give either one an advantage if we alter them. In that case you desperatly want Six to win, when really, he won't, and Bungie as well as 343i will tell you exactly that Six is a III who hasn't been pampered like a lucky rich boy like MC, so therefore Six loses. End of Story stop giving me excuses.


Burden of proof is on you to provide quotes and/or scans that show that Spartan II training is better, otherwise your argument is null. I already quoted Ghosts of Onyx proving that the Spartan III training was better even though you refuse to acknowledge it because you cannot stand the idea that somebody may be better than your beloved chief (something painfully obvious by your posts here and in the Master Chief vs Boba Fett thread).
I personally like Six, to be honest, but Chief honestly is better trained and has more experience. I admit my defeat in that thread, but this one is honestly different.

One: There are several differences between S-IIs and S-IIIs.

S-IIs had a longer training period than the S-IIIs, as others have said, by about two years. They were all issued with MJOLNIR armor. They were selected through a very strict genetic screening process. Finally, they have more experience.

S-IIIs had a shorter, tougher training program, that could be considered on par with the S-II training program. They were issued with cheaper SPI armor because of costs; one suit of MJOLNIR costs as much as a small starship, so doing this with 300 spartans (on average) 3 times over is not very cost-effective. The genetic screening process was very lax, and the only real determining factor to becoming a spartan was if the candidate agreed. The augmentations that the S-IIIs went through was a lot safer, as improvements were made to remove the risky surgery the S-IIs went through and allowed the process to be done entirely by injections, allowing for a 100% success rate. The S-IIIs would most likely be smaller though, as they were not given the thyroid implant inserted in the S-IIs that stimulated growth. Finally, in terms of experience, the program was created later, so they would have less experience than the S-IIs.

My point is II's has more experience, but I read somewhere they have had better and more battle simulations than the III's.

Six is dead, honestly, so MC won anyway. To tell you the truth, but six was given injections, not full on augmentation like the II's. Which proved the 100% success rate. II's were to go through surgery as well. MC been given an AI to boost his reflexes, and better armor. A natural team leader.

It has stated the augmentations prove to increase and improve with more use. MC has been using his feats for centuries. He is more skilled, more experience, and intellect than a mere III, let alone Six.

I will consider any other excuses blasphemy. Because MC won. It's obnoxious, and technically you're scapegoating from the true facts.

  • 07.07.2012 12:20 AM PDT

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So, John is a man who is more than a hundred years old? Good to know.

Still, burden of proof is on you on this so called "more skills, more intellect." bit, seeing how through-out the games there's nothing that shows John to be a particularly smart individual, neither the books for that matter.

The fact that John has to rely on a team for 27 years makes most of his experience null seeing how he has little to no experience in one on one combat, something that Noble Six has been doing for.....about 14-16 years, so in a match up like this, Six has the advantage. Although you seem to want him to lose since you keep stating that John gets Mark VI and Cortana (and given how they are fighting each other, this should take place before or during Reach, meaning they'd both have Mark V to make the match even, for the sake of a logic argument.

And let me tell you, while the Spartan II's were training with paintballs, the Spartan III's were using real rounds in their trainings (they were of course using non-lethal rounds, but they were still real rounds who were described as numbing the area they hit to the point of not being able to move it).

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So, John is a man who is more than a hundred years old? Good to know.

Still, burden of proof is on you on this so called "more skills, more intellect." bit, seeing how through-out the games there's nothing that shows John to be a particularly smart individual, neither the books for that matter.

The fact that John has to rely on a team for 27 years makes most of his experience null seeing how he has little to no experience in one on one combat, something that Noble Six has been doing for.....about 14-16 years, so in a match up like this, Six has the advantage. Although you seem to want him to lose since you keep stating that John gets Mark VI and Cortana (and given how they are fighting each other, this should take place before or during Reach, meaning they'd both have Mark V to make the match even, for the sake of a logic argument.

And let me tell you, while the Spartan II's were training with paintballs, the Spartan III's were using real rounds in their trainings (they were of course using non-lethal rounds, but they were still real rounds who were described as numbing the area they hit to the point of not being able to move it).
I'm not going to keep arguing here. You're typically scapegoating right now. II's used live ammunition.

THE MAIN FACT IS SIX IS DEAD AND MC IS STILL ALIVE. HE ACQUIRED MORE SKILLS.

  • 07.07.2012 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
So, John is a man who is more than a hundred years old? Good to know.

Still, burden of proof is on you on this so called "more skills, more intellect." bit, seeing how through-out the games there's nothing that shows John to be a particularly smart individual, neither the books for that matter.

The fact that John has to rely on a team for 27 years makes most of his experience null seeing how he has little to no experience in one on one combat, something that Noble Six has been doing for.....about 14-16 years, so in a match up like this, Six has the advantage. Although you seem to want him to lose since you keep stating that John gets Mark VI and Cortana (and given how they are fighting each other, this should take place before or during Reach, meaning they'd both have Mark V to make the match even, for the sake of a logic argument.

And let me tell you, while the Spartan II's were training with paintballs, the Spartan III's were using real rounds in their trainings (they were of course using non-lethal rounds, but they were still real rounds who were described as numbing the area they hit to the point of not being able to move it).
I'm not going to keep arguing here. You're typically scapegoating right now. II's used live ammunition.

THE MAIN FACT IS SIX IS DEAD AND MC IS STILL ALIVE. HE ACQUIRED MORE SKILLS.


Right, live ammunition.

You seriously make me laugh, really. So, since Jar Jar Binks is alive by Return of the Jedi, does that make him better than Yoda? because, y'know he is alive and Yoda is not, so obviously he is better than Yoda just cause.

Stop wanking the Chief, or at least, prove your claims instead of relying on your wanktastic logic.

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