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Because while we were away stoping the new Halo the covies were still fighting on Earth

  • 06.13.2006 5:23 PM PDT
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ok, we assume that it is the covenent that are in control of earth and all because they tell us it is, well what if the elites and the humans got together and made a new covenent? well then the covenent would be in control of earth
and not only that, yes in that trailer it is a covie controled earth, but what if the trialer isnt what is actually gonna happen in the game? because bungie likes to suprise everyone i would assume they might not make the trailer like whats in the game

as for how they got pass the mac guns, they sent in boarding craft like they did before and that probably took a bunch more out not to mention they only have to kill mac guns on one side of the planet in order to land troops and start killing everything

  • 06.13.2006 6:07 PM PDT
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The covenant did use those spiked bombs to destroy the mac guns. I think that was a good tactic, thats probly why they took over earth with ease.

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You do know that a large portion of halo 2 was on well Halo 2, and we don't know what happend inbetween those two periods of time. the covenant could have sent thousands of ships to earth in that time.
Plus we don't know if new mommbasa was the only place getting attacked. it could have been the place that was getting beat the most. And at the end of halo 2 did you see earth completly defenseless no the Admiral Talked to you diddn't he, and wasn't he on a MAC station? There is just to many ifs to confirm that earth is completly taken over.

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Posted: 6/12/2006 9:19 PM

Subject: how is earth taken over if covenant only attacked new mombassa?



Who said they took over, yet? At the end of Halo 2 it looks like Lord Hood is giving them one -blam!- of a fight. Dear humanity, we regret being alien -blam!-tards, we regret coming to earth, and we most definately regret the corps just blew up our raggedy -blam!- fleet!
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Watch the Halo 3 intro and read 1 of the old updates and you'll see and read that earth is taken by the Covies and the Humans are now more of a rebellion than an actuall threat exept the Chief of course

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Posted by: DeadlyAmbitionz
Who says they only attacked New Mombassa?


It says several times they only attacked Mombasa, Cortana tells you in the tunnels when your on Earth.

Also I admit they covies could easily take earth but they had to have lost at least close to 1000 ships with all those cannons. Unless they did slip through small holes and take out the generators. But does that meen everyone or almost everyone is dead? Or are they stil fighting, because that really sucks if Earth no longer has people on it. Like come on thats what we are trying to do, stop the covies from taking Earth.

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Posted by: Sparda3b
Who said they took over, yet?


Dear humanity, we regret being alien -blam!-tards, we regret coming to earth, and we most definately regret the corps just blew up our raggedy -blam!- fleet!


i hope you know johnson said that in the second level right? not the ending.

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  • 06.14.2006 12:42 AM PDT
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for starters when regret jumped da gun and came to earth, no human presense was foretold, u ppl r fegettin dat da covenant is a religious covenant looking for the path beyond, as for there fight with the humans, the covenant gets lucky at the end of halo 2, pretty much there killin 2 birds with 1 stone, beating humans and finding the ark. looks like the covenant have the earth pretty smashed up when master chief gets there aboard the forerunner ship, utter kaos. As for those mac guns, covenant boarders took care most of them i reckon, the fight for survival is on our doorstep, UNSC has wha it takes to fight back its enemies. wha prototype covenant tech have they been messin with???

  • 06.14.2006 1:09 AM PDT
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Nice ideas so far guys keep it up!!
The way I see it, was that at the end of halo 2 when the MC arrives to earth. We do not see the entire fleet yet. all we are seeing is the first battle going on with regret's fleet. also we do not see any MAC guns at all in the backround and only see explosions. now in the begganing of halo 2 lord hood says the fleet that distroyed REACH was at least 50 times larger. Moreover, that would be 750 ships and with 20 superMAC guns they only took a 150 ships out and they fired a round every 3 seconds i think. so when cortana says thats the largest covenant fleet anyone has seen in delta halo. It must be like 1500 ships. The 298 MAC guns could not possibley take all those ships out. Then earth is doomed and is controlled. Now as I stated above mentioning what we saw at the ending of halo 2 and no large fleet when the MC arrives. My guess is that the trailer is just a teaser to confuse us and only announce that halo 3 is coming as it was said in the documentary. so we start right were halo 2 ended and see in a cutscence earth bieng taken over and start from there. But shouldn't earth have a huge ground army bieng ready for the covenant?

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ok there is one thing that you are overlooking, the fleet that truth sent has been destryoed, its not still around, the fleet you see there has to be another one
as for what you say in halo 2, you dont see any thing, just explosions and then they show lord hood on one of the stations, so obviously there are still plateforms left

and as for fleet size the fleet that was around HC was killing itself when the chief left to earth so it did not go to earth at that time and not only that it was destroying itself so that would reduce its size

now im not sure how many ships the covies have but im pretty sure theres a limit to the number
they lost about 500 with the UH, 150 with reach, a couple more with alpha halo, 15 with truths fleet, im gonna say at least 500 with the fleet that started killing itself(assuming it is like 1500 ships) and whos to say they wont go ahead and destroy HC while the ships are still fighting just to give us a fire works show so that would mean even more ships lost and in fact i think that might be one way the arbiter kills a bunch of the brute ships
what im gonna guess is that if earth is indeed covie controlled then those have to be about the last ships they have because of the number that have been killed

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Well I was wondering that too. We dont know if the whole Earth is taken but bungie does say that the covenant controll Earth and there see mto be a lot of ships there. But how? I know the covenant must have thousands of ships seeing as how they didnt care much when the Chief took out those 500 in first strike, but still. 300 MAC cannons, each firing 1 shot every 5 seconds, each round that finds its target = 1 less covie ship. So lets say half of them hit each time. Thats 150 covie ships gone every 5 seconds. Either they did lose a lot of ships, or simply some slipped by while more are still fighting in space. But it kinda sucks if ALL of Earth is taken.

Umm, it is in space. Three-dimensions of Battle. Which means, if the Covenant attack at a precise angle, only about 100 (150, tops) of those MAC cannons will ever get a shot. Do you think that 300 MAC guns would be on one side of the planet? Then the Covenant could simply attack the undefended side =). Plus, those MAC guns must puncture the Covenant's shieldings to ever throw a round clean through a Capital ship. And those shields are what keep Humans at bay and make the 3:1 ratio for an even fight. Two Admirals and their fleet (and MAC guns) could barely take down ONE Carrier ship (MC was a kill-stealer!) during the time of Halo 2's beginning, and had grave difficulty with Regret's ship.

The MAC stations also must survive a wave of boarding craft, which devastates most platforms. The only thing that saved Cairo was a super-soldier Spartan, and there isn't one of those on each platform. Also, the Covenant hold outside the killzone until conditions are favorable.

After this happens, they mop up forces outside the planet and dump a wave of troops on the ground. And that is a massive number of troops in each ship (remember how many Regret's cruiser established on the ground). These troops hit key targets on the surface (generators), and divert the enemy's attention where they must split their forces.


Regret's 'fleet' was a joke. Yet he still was able to get a Carrier to land on Earth under the fire of Earth's full force. His force was also an escavation force (scarabs) or a scout force (they did not expect to see humanity on Earth). The Hierachs brought the 'largest fleet I've ever seen, the largest anyone's ever seen' (Cortana, level Regret) to Delta Halo, preparing it to jump to Earth.

The Covenant's Civil War erupts. Big whoop. The Brutes have the majority power, and they follow the Prophets. They also assassinated or captured any high-ranking Elite (councilers), gaining full control over the Covenant. Then, it is simply mopping up the Elite's forces, something as difficult as if the Jackals rebelled. They still have a huge ass fleet, and plan to attack Earth. Even with Earth's heavy defenses, they stand no chance of this massive attack with the Covenant's tactics. Why do you think Humanity has been spending forever keeping Earth secret?

  • 06.14.2006 8:50 AM PDT
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Umm, it is in space. Three-dimensions of Battle. Which means, if the Covenant attack at a precise angle, only about 100 (150, tops) of those MAC cannons will ever get a shot. Do you think that 300 MAC guns would be on one side of the planet? Then the Covenant could simply attack the undefended side =). Plus, those MAC guns must puncture the Covenant's shieldings to ever throw a round clean through a Capital ship. And those shields are what keep Humans at bay and make the 3:1 ratio for an even fight. Two Admirals and their fleet (and MAC guns) could barely take down ONE Carrier ship (MC was a kill-stealer!) during the time of Halo 2's beginning, and had grave difficulty with Regret's ship.
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No, It clearly states in the books 1 round from a MAC cannon is enough to completely destroy a covie ship. The rounds the MAC guns fire are much larger and travel much faster than a MAC gun on a ship.

I do agree though they must have way more ships left. Think the covies have how many races now... 6 I think not counting the prophets. Plus its probably safe to assume that some of them probably the elites have been around longer than us. They should have many times more ships than us simply because they have so many people to make and man them.

It just seems like they would have had to lose a lot to take Earth

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intresting but with the covenant civil war going down. the fleets screwed cause there would be way too much fighting between the races to concentrate with earth espically when they are pissed of with each other.
and remember a large chunk of each ships army is mosltly made up of grunts. so how would the brutes control the gurnts when they are heavly outnumbered and not to mention the hunters. thier cannon would kill soo many brutes. how can they have a civil war and still take over earth?
also the covenant like taking the hard route and not the easy one even though all the mac guns are on one side of the planet the covenant rather beat thier opponent into submission than attack the easy way. the books say the covenant fight with honour.

  • 06.14.2006 10:23 PM PDT
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i dont know if this has been said yet but didn't bungie say that the trailer was part way through the campaign

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i dont know if this has been said yet but didn't bungie say that the trailer was part way through the campaign


Yes they said it was somewhere in the campgain but they did not tell where. you remember in the halo 2 teaser trailer that level was in the game where we jump out of the station. so they will have a level similar to the teaser trailer. now back on topic. The covenant probably just fired and took out all the mac guns out and they lost about 300 of thier ships and still ike had 700 left and just went all over earth and attacked. But the think is shouldn't earth have easily have an army of aorund a 100 million on earth. i mean you think they would realize the covenant are pretty powerfull and are in large numbers.

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Wouldn't all of humanity hide underground or something? In the games, where are all the civilians? One would expect them to either be hiding on Earth somewhere, possibly, or probably underground, or else everyone was sent off of Earth on a giant space ark or something. Maybe everyone is hiding somewhere under the ocean.

Remember in Halo 2 when the Master Chief is fighting the Convenant attempting to board the space station in the hanger at about the start of the game? When you look out the windor of the hanger (before one of the space stations blows up) you see all these large ships travelling "away" from Earth and moving out into space. I don't think they are battle ships, they look more like the types of vessels civilians are removed in. Remember in Star Wars 5 they had those big vessels? Remember when they are abandoning their rebel base on that snow covered planet in SW6 all the civilians were evacuated in one of those large ships Luke Skywalker was on when he was having his hand replaced? Was everyone on Earth evacuated off-world as a precautionary measure just in case the Covenant attempted to invade the planet?

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As previously mentioned, only some of the 298 MAC guns could fire on the Covenant. If they were all moved to fire at the main force, the main force would make a pinpoint jump to the undefended side of the planet, and humanity would stand no chance. So only, say, 50 MAC guns against the Covenant. The Covenant have ships that can outrange MAC guns, as seen in Fall of Reach. I believe there is only like a dozen human ships left, I honestly dont know, but they wouldnt stand a chance against just 2 of the Covie capital ships. So all the MAC guns get destroyed, the human fleet cant attack or defend, and tens of thousands of Covenant land on Earth. With luck, they might not lose anybody in space. Regret's fleet, if they had those ships, could have taken out a dozen or more MAC guns in addition to New Mombasa.

Now then, how many ships could the Covenant send against Earth? Probably everything they have. They wanted to send 500 ships to Earth, which they thought was DEFENSELESS. They assigned 500 ships as TOKEN GUARDS. So if they consider 500 ships to be disposable, then they must have lots of ships. Also, note that they had the largest fleet humanity has ever seen guarding a little spaceship with no resources except a bunch of Prophets who talk too much.

In other words, they see a thousand ships the same way we view the guards with the big hats outside the Royal Palace in England. As a symbolic gesture.

50,000 Covenant ships attacking Earth wouldnt surprise me.

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the trailer is about half way to two thirds through the game so there will be some huge titanic battle for earth with MC in the middle we can be sure of that this time around

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Take a look at the MC's armor in the Halo 3 trailer. It is discolored, and chipping. It was not at the end of H2. I bet the MC will do some large scale fighting before the trailer takes place(Frank said about 1/3 of the way through the game)

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the think is the covenant don't like sneaking and prefer the tough way. thats how it is.
does that mean when we play halo 3 it shows earth's defenses being oblitarated(sp?) ?
cause that would suck knowing we could not do diddly snot.

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Posted by: Seven7h
Well, you know Bungie. Sometimes they exaggerate.

Don't know how big Truth's fleet is. Reach only had 30 MACs, and it held out pretty well against over 700 ships until the Covenant took out the planetside generators. Earth has 300 MACs, along with the largest UNSC fleet and blockade ever assembled. I doubt they had that many casualties against Regret's surprised battlegroup.


314 ships actually. ALso, we don't know if there actually are over 300 MAC stations, what Johnson says is that there are over 300 geosync platforms.

Also, It took Regret only 30 ships to break through. Let's assume that Earth later on is attacked by around 300 ships. That means that at least 10 ships have the chance to break through. Which most likely is enough to take out the power generators. Once those are gone, The MAC guns will be completely useless.

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About where all the people are in mombasa. They are all in bunkers. If you listen to the voice on the speakers through out the city and translate what its saying into english it goes something like: "All civilians please stay off the streets and move quickly to the nearest bunker. Do not worry about your cars or supplies, please move straight to the bunkers."

Also 50 000 covie ships seems a bit much. That That is more tanks every army in the world today has combined. The amount of labor and material to produce that many ships would require hundreds of planets. Im sure they have a lot but 50k 0.o whoa thats a bit to much.

Brutes are suppose to be stronger than hunters. It says in the book and in the conversations from the universe that a brute can overpower a hunter in strength. I dont think grunts would be a problem for them either. Especially when they have jackals.

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Also 50 000 covie ships seems a bit much. That That is more tanks every army in the world today has combined. The amount of labor and material to produce that many ships would require hundreds of planets. Im sure they have a lot but 50k 0.o whoa thats a bit to much.
And there are hundreds of planets for the taking. However, the planet does not need life on it. Just about anything with minerals in it can be mined. Lots of asteroids, for example. According to wikipedia, there are roughly 100 billion stars. How many stars do the Covenant live around? Nobody knows.

Wait, I just found this from a wikipedia link on the Covenant:
"The Covenant is a technologically advanced collective of cooperating alien races, which controls a large portion of the Orion arm of the Milky Way galaxy. Naturally this means that in relative terms, the Human race is close to their turf. And as humans began to explore space, it was only a matter of time before our paths crossed." Because this page is here on Bungie, I trust it. Also, it mentions them studying Forerunner artifacts for "millenia". Fascinating. They control less than I thought, but have thousands of years head start on technology.

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