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Why is this and all it's synonyms censored? Is bungie homophobic (just kidding), or are they so worried that other people will use it as an insult? I find that it can get in the way of legitimate topics about it because the main topic being discussed shows up as -blam!-.

This is silly and it needs to go. The term isn't offensive unless you hate -blam!-s, or if you straight and somebody calls you -blam!-.

[Edited on 07.05.2012 3:10 PM PDT]

  • 07.05.2012 3:01 PM PDT

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The potential for misuse. If you'd like to discuss anything of that nature there are plenty of LGBT forums available to you outside of this gaming website.

  • 07.05.2012 3:02 PM PDT

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No one is allowed to talk about sex because it would be unfair on all us older generations that went into it not knowing what the -blam!- to do.

  • 07.05.2012 3:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Saint of Taint
The potential for misuse. If you'd like to discuss anything of that nature there are plenty of LGBT forums available to you outside of this gaming website.
There are also a number of forums to discuss Justin Bieber, Furries, Call of duty, and a number of other subjects so your argument is invalid. And if we are talking about words that have potential to be abused, how about these: quail, fairy, retard, idiot? Should we censor any words that have potential to be abused, or should we just ban those that abuse them?

  • 07.05.2012 3:04 PM PDT

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Because clearly Bungie believes being a [homosexual] is wrong and doesn't condone such acts. No wonder they decided to sign up with Activision instead of EA, they didn't want to have anything to do with those sympathizers.

I think it's pretty bad that Bungie censors a prominent part of their community the [gaymers]. I really wish in the new site update they will remove some of this [homophobia].

[Edited on 07.05.2012 3:07 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Don't be ludicrous; Bungie is not homophobic, and to even imply it shows a massive failure to understand why these rules exist. Perhaps instead of ranting against Bungie's "discrimination," this should be a hint to you that these forums might not be appropriate for threads about sex or orientation generally -- regardless of what kind of sex or orientation you're talking about.

This is a video game developer's business website, not a place for unrestricted discussion on any subject. As I'm sure you know, children visit these forums regularly, and the site is meant to be family friendly. Threads about ANY kind of sex or ANY kind of orientation are regularly locked in the Flood Forum and the others as well. It has nothing to do with orientation.

There's nothing wrong with being any kind of particular orientation, obviously. But there is almost never a legitimate reason to discuss it here.

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  • 07.05.2012 3:04 PM PDT

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This has been discussed before. The profanity filter is from an MSN/Xbox Live list, and has not been edited in multiple years (pre-Halo 3).

Don't read into anything about the selection of words on the list. You'd be wrong.

  • 07.05.2012 3:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Don't be ludicrous; Bungie is not homophobic, and to even imply it shows a massive failure to understand why these rules exist. The rule against profanity filter evasion does not contain exceptions for certain kinds of discussion. Perhaps this should be a hint to you that these forums might not be appropriate for threads about sex or orientation generally -- regardless of what kind of orientation you're talking about.

This is a video game developer's business website, not a place for unrestricted discussion on any subject. As I'm sure you know, children visit these forums regularly, and the site is meant to be family friendly. Threads about ANY kind of sex or ANY kind of orientation are regularly locked in the Flood Forum and the others as well.

There's nothing wrong with being any kind of particular orientation, obviously. But there is almost never a legitimate reason to discuss it here.
That part about bungie being homophobic was slightly flippant. As for the topic in question, I see it being discussed nearly every day on the flood, some of which have mods posting in them and they don't get locked. So that tell me that it is an acceptable topic for these forums, even if you personally lock every one. -blam!--blam!-ity doesn't have to be about sex, it can mean you are attracted to the same sex. That doesn't mean the topic has to turn into something inappropriate for 13 year olds.


Posted by: Achronos
This has been discussed before. The profanity filter is from an MSN/Xbox Live list, and has not been edited in multiple years (pre-Halo 3).

Don't read into anything about the selection of words on the list. You'd be wrong.


I did not know this. When you guys go cross platform, will this change?

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  • 07.05.2012 3:09 PM PDT

Wow, what an original complaint, OP. Let's draw some points here.
>No, it should probably not be filtered out,
>Yes, it can be used in a pejorative way.
>No, Bungie is not probably not homophobic.
>Yes, it would likely be abused.

It's basically a "pick one" deal, and Bungie chose the safest route (or at least the MSN/Xbox Live team did).

  • 07.05.2012 3:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
This is a video game developer's business website, not a place for unrestricted discussion on any subject. As I'm sure you know, children visit these forums regularly, and the site is meant to be family friendly..

Then why are some words not censored? I would say them, but I wouldn't want to dance with the devil.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.


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Posted by: x Foman123 x
This is a video game developer's business website, not a place for unrestricted discussion on any subject. As I'm sure you know, children visit these forums regularly, and the site is meant to be family friendly..

Then why are some words not censored? I would say them, but I wouldn't want to dance with the devil.
See Achronos's response above; should answer your question.

Besides, the forum rules about this being a game developer's website and keeping your posts "safe for work" does not mean that the profanity filter will EVER be able to catch every possible word that could be misused -- nor would you want it to, methinks.

Yes, the list may be somewhat outdated, but as I said before, the fact that these words appear on the list should be a hint about what kinds of discussion might not be appropriate here -- not an absolute rule.

  • 07.05.2012 3:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Adamcunn

Posted by: x Foman123 x
This is a video game developer's business website, not a place for unrestricted discussion on any subject. As I'm sure you know, children visit these forums regularly, and the site is meant to be family friendly..

Then why are some words not censored? I would say them, but I wouldn't want to dance with the devil.

o noez my titel!!

You mean whore, slut, tits, dick, ass, and piss, just to name a few? Yeah, the system is imperfect, as Achronos has said about a hundred times, he. did. not. make. the. list.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: A Female elite
As for the topic in question, I see it being discussed nearly every day on the flood, some of which have mods posting in them and they don't get locked. So that tell me that it is an acceptable topic for these forums, even if you personally lock every one.
You should get your guidance from the forum rules, which are clear on this question, rather than from what you see other people doing. For every thread you see "getting away with it," there may be dozens more that are locked.

As I say so often in ban appeal messages, the fact that others do it and sometimes get away with it does not make it okay. If you got pulled over for speeding and told the cop "but I see people breaking the law all the time. I even see cops speeding sometimes," you'd find yourself on the receiving end of a ticket anyway. Nobody in their right mind would even think of saying this to a cop; it sounds silly and it is. I don't know why people think that the same silly logic somehow becomes valid when applied here.

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  • 07.05.2012 3:18 PM PDT

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I agreed with OP until I read this;

Posted by: Achronos
This has been discussed before. The profanity filter is from an MSN/Xbox Live list, and has not been edited in multiple years (pre-Halo 3).

Don't read into anything about the selection of words on the list. You'd be wrong.


That's a typical Microsoft thing to do so bungie can't be blamed I guess

  • 07.05.2012 3:19 PM PDT

I personally feel we should be allowed to bypass the filter for the words in question so long as they're used in an appropriate context. Having them blamed can get become rather impediment in discussion sometimes.

  • 07.05.2012 3:21 PM PDT

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The point is that you should not be discussing those kinds of topics on here.

Bungie.net is a game forum, not a political or religious forum.

  • 07.05.2012 3:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: A Female elite
As for the topic in question, I see it being discussed nearly every day on the flood, some of which have mods posting in them and they don't get locked. So that tell me that it is an acceptable topic for these forums, even if you personally lock every one.
You should get your guidance from the forum rules, which are clear on this question, rather than from what you see other people doing. For every thread you see "getting away with it," there may be dozens more that are locked.

As I say so often in ban appeal messages, the fact that others do it and sometimes get away with it does not make it okay. If you got pulled over for speeding and told the cop "but I see people breaking the law all the time. I even see cops speeding sometimes," you'd find yourself on the receiving end of a ticket anyway. Nobody in their right mind would even think of saying this to a cop; it sounds silly and it is. I don't know why people think that the same silly logic somehow becomes valid when applied here.
I actually don't see the bit in the rules that state discussions about sex or -blam!- orientation are banned. The only thing I see that could be interpreted that way is

"Use common sense. This is a video game developer's website. Keep your posts on-topic and "safe for work". The further you stray the more you'll tempt a ban.".

This is a rather broad rule because not everybody idea of what is and what isn't safe for work is the same, and it depends on peoples' idea of a workplace. From my experience at the places I've worked (YMCA, Wornick, amusement park, pet store, firework store, car wash), discussions about -blam!- orientation were considered safe for work as long as it was around co-workers and as long as it was respectful. So naturally I'd assume -blam!--blam!-ity is a Safe For Work topic.



Posted by: spartain ken 15
The point is that you should not be discussing those kinds of topics on here.

Bungie.net is a game forum, not a political or religious forum.


Considering I didn't mention politics or religion, your comment confuses me and I do not see its relevance. o.o


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Posted by: spartain ken 15
The point is that you should not be discussing those kinds of topics on here.

Bungie.net is a game forum, not a political or religious forum.
Yeah, because The Flood only talks about games.

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Posted by: A Female elite
Considering I didn't mention politics or religion, your comment confuses me and I do not see its relevance. o.o
The thing about that particular topic is that it can easily escalate from a well meaning, well thought out, polite discussion into "U -blam!-!!!" comments. Not to mention that peoples religious views (for and against) and political views can be brought into the conversation as it does bridge between both.

That's not to say that politics and religion can't be brought into many other topics, because they can, but it's quite likely it will in that instance. I want to make an analogy between mono-blam!- threads and other risque threads with lighting a petrol soaked plank of wood with another piece of wood.....but maybe it's a silly analogy.

  • 07.05.2012 3:37 PM PDT

Posted by: spartain ken 15
The point is that you should not be discussing those kinds of topics on here.

Bungie.net is a game forum, not a political or religious forum.

He's talking about the flood. The random board. Where you talk about random things. Homo-blam!-ity comes up in context (or whole threads are made about it), and having it blammed would be inconvenient to that discussion. That's not the reason why it's blammed, ken, please stop trying to kiss the feet of Bungie's web administration.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: A Female elite
This is a rather broad rule because not everybody idea of what is and what isn't safe for work is the same, and it depends on peoples' idea of a workplace.
If you have to put conditions on your own experiences (e.g., "talking about orientation was fine at work as long as it was around co-workers only and we were respectful"), that most likely means that it ISN'T safe for work. You wouldn't talk about these subjects around customers, and in some cases, not even around your boss. Being able to discuss a particular topic amongst your friends at work in quiet, hushed, and "respectful" tones does not make that topic "safe for work."

Regardless, the rules are intentionally broad. As we say frequently, stay out of the gray areas and you will be fine. There are numerous places that are not the public forums -- including private groups right here on Bungie.net as well as other websites -- that you can discuss these topics. There is no need to push the limits here, and if you want to post in the gray areas anyway, you should expect to occasionally be told that you went too far.

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: A Female elite
This is a rather broad rule because not everybody idea of what is and what isn't safe for work is the same, and it depends on peoples' idea of a workplace.
If you have to put conditions on your own experiences (e.g., "talking about orientation was fine at work as long as it was around co-workers only and we were respectful"), that most likely means that it ISN'T safe for work. You wouldn't talk about these subjects around customers, and in some cases, not even around your boss. Being able to discuss a particular topic amongst your friends at work in quiet, hushed, and "respectful" tones does not make that topic "safe for work."

Regardless, the rules are intentionally broad. As we say frequently, stay out of the gray areas and you will be fine. There are numerous places that are not the public forums -- including private groups right here on Bungie.net as well as other websites -- that you can discuss these topics. There is no need to push the limits here, and if you want to post in the gray areas anyway, you should expect to occasionally be told that you went too far.
Very well then.

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: A Female elite
This is a rather broad rule because not everybody idea of what is and what isn't safe for work is the same, and it depends on peoples' idea of a workplace.
If you have to put conditions on your own experiences (e.g., "talking about orientation was fine at work as long as it was around co-workers only and we were respectful"), that most likely means that it ISN'T safe for work. You wouldn't talk about these subjects around customers, and in some cases, not even around your boss. Being able to discuss a particular topic amongst your friends at work in quiet, hushed, and "respectful" tones does not make that topic "safe for work."

Regardless, the rules are intentionally broad. As we say frequently, stay out of the gray areas and you will be fine. There are numerous places that are not the public forums -- including private groups right here on Bungie.net as well as other websites -- that you can discuss these topics. There is no need to push the limits here, and if you want to post in the gray areas anyway, you should expect to occasionally be told that you went too far.
Your support for keeping the rules broad is why I'm frightened to post on the mains sometimes.

  • 07.05.2012 3:54 PM PDT

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I disagree with some of the words in the filter. In regard to Achronos' post, why not?

  • 07.05.2012 4:00 PM PDT

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We've tried specific rules before. They don't work. They aren't broad because we're haters of fun. They're broad because people who have problems with authority (pretty much everyone on the Internet) like to look for loopholes in rules. That's why the rules basically say that Bungie and its representatives are always right.

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Your support for keeping the rules broad is why I'm frightened to post on the mains sometimes.

  • 07.05.2012 4:57 PM PDT

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