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Subject: Would rampancy/bad memory apply to 343 Guilty Spark?
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Read the thread.

The Halo books have everything to do with the story of the game.

  • 06.13.2006 6:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Read the thread.

The Halo books have everything to do with the story of the game.


I don't know if this is fact or just what I've seen, but nothing brought up in the books is present in Halo.

No engineers. No Shaw-fujiwaka drive. In fact, the only thing I can think of that comes close is that Keyes is shocked that Regret jumps his ship so close to Earth.

Have I just missed something?

  • 06.13.2006 6:14 PM PDT

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Maybe they ate themselves. Never thought of that did yah huh huh huh

  • 06.13.2006 6:15 PM PDT
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You face an opponent who has never known defeat, who laughs in foreign tongues at your efforts to survive. This is Reply suicide.

"Oh Molly Connoly ruined my life, I thought the world should know."
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Rampancy?

Um... Somehow, I don't think that's what has happened to 343 Guilty Spark.



He is INTENT on following his procedures for containment to the LETTER. But since being on Delta Halo... he has changed considerably. It's not his job to follow containment procedure on ANY other Halo except Alpha Halo. Delta Halo is left to 2401 Penatant Tangent but he's with the Gravemind.


If you want a good explaination on what has happened, it's this:

ALL creatures, intelligent or not, eventually go insane without interaction. And with 100,000 years to think and run around doing nothing... He's gone QUITE insane.

However, he still has programming to follow, and that takes precidence over emotions and mental stability.

Has he gone rampant? Nope.

He is only doing what he can to ensure the Flood do NOT escape Halo. In the first one, it meant retrieving the Index and getting another Reclaimer to handle it. However... Cortana stole it. You wouldn't hand over Cortana...

So basically... You were to be killed.


I even have a theory as to why AI aren't allowed to integrate with the core or anything like that.... It'll make them a little odd... or able to be controlled by Flood. The Gravemind can control the teleportation grid, why not control an AI in a Halo system?

343 isn't rampant. There's no way he could be. He's just slightly insane due to lonliness and programmed to follow procedure to the letter.

EDIT: I'd also like to note that the Flood went into hibernation, much like a virus will when there isn't much food to be had, then spread like wildefire when they come out of that dormancy.

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  • 06.13.2006 6:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Redoubt
I'm pretty sure that Halo has nothing to do with the books, and AI rampancy is an invention of their author.


Rampancy is not mentioned in the Halo novels. The term was invented by Greg Kirkpatrick.

And the Halo novels are canon and are defining elements of the Halo universe.

  • 06.13.2006 6:19 PM PDT
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For Redoubt:

Joseph Staten said that he took Nylund's work on First Strike into account when he wrote Halo 2. The following people, places, and things are mentioned there that make an appearance in Halo 2:

Battle Rifle
SMG
Lord Terrence Hood
Fleet Admiral Harper
The Cairo, Athens, and Malta Space Stations
Tartarus
The Prophet of Truth
The Arbiter
Earth's Orbital MAC Network
High Charity

And so on.

They are intertwined deeply, whether anyone likes it or not.

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  • 06.13.2006 6:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
For Redoubt:

Joseph Staten said that he took Nylund's work on First Strike into account when he wrote Halo 2. The following people, places, and things are mentioned there that make an appearance in Halo 2:

Battle Rifle
SMG
Lord Terrence Hood
Fleet Admiral Harper
The Cairo, Athens, and Malta Space Stations
Tartarus
The Prophet of Truth
The Arbiter
Earth's Orbital MAC Network
High Charity

And so on.

They are intertwined deeply, whether anyone likes it or not.


I like the books. I enjoy reading the books, and I certainly have nothing against the books. The things you mentioned though are things that are brought up in the game and mentioned in the books. I was thinking more of things brought up in the books, and mentioned in the game.

The thing you said about Joseph Staten is what I wanted though.

  • 06.13.2006 6:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Read the thread.

The Halo books have everything to do with the story of the game.


I don't know if this is fact or just what I've seen, but nothing brought up in the books is present in Halo.



Yeah, there is nothing except for Regret making an in-atmosphere slipspace jump. Ad High Charity. And MAC platforms. And Seraph fighters. And the Prophet of Truth, Lord Hood, Tartarus, and all other Brutes. And Archer Missiles. And the SMG and Battle rifle. And the Arbiter being brought before the council. And the first Mention of the "Great Journey", and Truth replacing the elites with the Brutes. Aside from those things, there is no connection at all.

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  • 06.13.2006 6:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Redoubt
Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Read the thread.

The Halo books have everything to do with the story of the game.


I don't know if this is fact or just what I've seen, but nothing brought up in the books is present in Halo.



Yeah, there is nothing except for Regret making an in-atmosphere slipspace jump. Ad High Charity. And MAC platforms. And Seraph fighters. And the Prophet of Truth, Lord Hood, Tartarus, and all other Brutes. And Archer Missiles. And the SMG and Battle rifle. And the Arbiter being brought before the council. And the first Mention of the "Great Journey", and Truth replacing the elites with the Brutes. Aside from those things, there is no connection at all.


All brought up by the game, not the books.

  • 06.13.2006 6:38 PM PDT
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In the book, "The Flood", which pretty much is Halo CE in book form, Master Chief wonders to himself (and the book hints this plenty of times as well) that 343 GS is probably insane- which makes one wonder just how much of what he's doing is part of his programming, and probably why MC might write off comments about "When you last asked me...", etc.

And wow, how could anyone think that things mentioned in the books aren't present in the games? Either 1) you're lying, 2)you're ignorant or not observant, 3) you haven't read the books.

Fact: The Fall of Reach and First Strike BOTH completely set the stage for Halo CE and Halo 2.

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  • 06.13.2006 6:52 PM PDT
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You face an opponent who has never known defeat, who laughs in foreign tongues at your efforts to survive. This is Reply suicide.

"Oh Molly Connoly ruined my life, I thought the world should know."
Say Anything - Every Man Has A Molly

Redoubt, I suggest ytou read the THIRD Halo book. It brings up the Battle Rifle (which is also in the FIRST book, but only by mention and not by use) as well as the Magnum.

In Atmosphere slipspace jumps were refined and invented by Cortana in the third book.... and stolen by the Covie in the same book. Then used in Halo 2.

Covenant AI was in the third book (and then later in Halo 2).

Seraph fighters introduced in the FIRST book, and then seen in Halo 2.

Covenant finding earth introduced by the THIRD book and then seen in Halo 2...

Brutes introduced by the THIRD book as well as BRUTE SHOTS and then seen in Halo 2...

Prophets introduced as an actual character in the SECOND book and then seen in Halo 2...

the SMG was introduced as a weapon in the THIRD book as well...

Pelicans with guns on the back and even MISSILE BAYS was introduced by the books. We thought they were simply dropships until then.

Covenant hierachy and importance was introduced in the books, and then incorporated into Halo 2...



If you can't see how the books have contributed to the second game... You need to go buy them and reread them.

Before you make a crazy and erroneous claim, you should back it up with FACTS.


We didn't even know MC was named "John" or codenamed "Spartan 117" until the first book was released. And here in Halo 2, he tells the earth MAC gun commander that he's Spartan 117. Introduced by the books there.

And we didn't know what a MAC gun was until the first book was released!

Nor Archer pods!

Seriously... how dense are some of the forum-goers here?

  • 06.13.2006 6:54 PM PDT
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Flaws in your theory:
Halo wipes out all life with enough bio-mass to sustain the Flood, specifically calcium deposits. This means that you could be non-sentient and still be killed by Halo.

The Flood survived because they were in stasis on the Halos, and were released from stasis in Halo 1.

  • 06.13.2006 6:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Gunshark 360

Feel free to discuss.


its a forum...thats wat ppl do....discuss and flame

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  • 06.13.2006 6:57 PM PDT
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If they were in stasis, what put them there? The Flood go on suicidal rampages so what could have forced them back into a containment stasis?

  • 06.13.2006 7:00 PM PDT

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I have no idea. How awesome were his creators?

  • 06.13.2006 7:01 PM PDT
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The Flood were put into stasis by the Forerunners. The Forerunners wanted samples to study. They could have even captured the samples before they thought up the Halos.
I read an interesting theory a while ago (and very well worded, and logical) that the primary function of Halo was to study the Flood, and when the Forerunners figured out they couldn't beat the Flood they added in the weapons systems in Halo, i.e. the capability of destroying all Flood food.

  • 06.13.2006 7:04 PM PDT
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You face an opponent who has never known defeat, who laughs in foreign tongues at your efforts to survive. This is Reply suicide.

"Oh Molly Connoly ruined my life, I thought the world should know."
Say Anything - Every Man Has A Molly

My assumption is that the Flood were LURED to the Halo rings by the Forerunner and trapped in stasis rooms by sacrificing one creature per room and shutting them tight...




That's how I'd do it, anyway. No other way I could see to get them into organized little clusters like that.

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Yet another hole.

The Flood would have been put into stasis from their rampage after the Halos have been activated.

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Yet another hole.

The Flood would have been put into stasis from their rampage after the Halos have been activated.


Why after?

  • 06.13.2006 7:08 PM PDT

hey u're right. how did they survive? the foreruners fired halo and sacrificed themselves for no reason????????????

  • 06.13.2006 7:14 PM PDT
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It's not really a hole, I don't think.

Flood is running around like crazy all over the universe. ForeRunners build Halo's, put samples of Flood inside and contained for future study. ForeRunners blow sentient life to kingdom come, hoping that "life finds a way", to quote Ian Malcolm.

  • 06.13.2006 7:50 PM PDT

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