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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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Why the hell are they still fighting us anyway? Their race was betrayed years ago. I wish you could walk up, and be all like, "YO, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOUR RACE LEFT THE COVENANT... GEEZUS."

Seriously. Didn't masterchief pick up any of their foreign tongue when fighting with the Arbiter?


Why are they fighting us? Cause of us. ONI decided the best option for keeping humanity safe was to give lots of plasma rifles to the faction of Elites most likely to turn around and attempt to kill all of humanity.

Instead of, you know, supporting Thel who wants an official, solid peace treaty.

Oh, and by Glasslands times apparently that large, growing movement of Elite youth who respect humanity has all been wiped out. (At least, Glasslands never once makes mention of them.)


Which is lame.

  • 07.10.2012 12:54 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

As a post-war novel, I have to agree that Glasslands didn't really set the stage to well. That's what the first book should do.

  • 07.10.2012 1:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: Glasslands told me that. You know, how the bulk of the leaders did not back Thel fully? And the one Kadon (and the other Elite's wife) both support peace for the sole reason that The Elites CANNOT utterly destroy humanity, and both say humanity deserves to be destroyed?

B: Sure, I buy that. Look to C.

C: Trivial details to you, nitpicking? maybe. But it doesn't bloody make sense IF (as 343 hasn't said so yet) we explain the Elite personal armor being so shoddy looking due to lack of repairs/supplies to maintain them, yet they pull out vehicles that likewise, haven't had the supplies to maintain/repair them but are perfectly pristine fresh from an engineer inspection.

You seem to just not give a damn for ANY of the little details. Little details can make or break a story. Hell, what did the Reach debates boil down to? A lot of little details for some.

It's just really bad storytelling to explain the body armor looking like crap cause of wear and tear, then having a vehicle which would see MORE wear and tear, brand shiny new.

Though as said, 343 hasn't, as far as I know, said anything about that. We'll see what their comment on it is when the game comes out. However, if they do go with the theory posted in this topic but don't give the vehicles a little wear and tear... it doesn't make sense.

Edit: To compare, it's like... saying a man has just come from a warzone where the soldiers had no access to showers/basic comforts, received VERY little sleep... and when he steps out of the truck that just came straight back from the front lines... He's spotlessly clean, well-rested, and looking fine.

The two details just don't click together with that information. Now say, if they put in the truck stopped at a medical station where he slept for two days and took a shower... it makes sense.


What if you folks all missed a small detail? What if their armour looks the way it does because the Elites are reverting back to what they were pre-Covenant? After all, certain armours were not allowed to be used while in the service of the prophets.

Who knows? Maybe the vehicle's will be changed before release.

  • 07.10.2012 1:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sandtrap

What if you folks all missed a small detail? What if their armour looks the way it does because the Elites are reverting back to what they were pre-Covenant? After all, certain armours were not allowed to be used while in the service of the prophets.

Who knows? Maybe the vehicle's will be changed before release.
The pre-Covie armor was ceremonial and/or for combat effectiveness. Does the H4 Elite armor look ceremonial or for combat effectiveness? I don't think so.

It's a retcon but 343 will find a way to make it canon (like they did with the H4 Grunts). Nonetheless, I only care if they act like Elites (CE, H2) and actually use cover.

As for vehicles, I certainly hope so. I can't believe that they'd allow the Banshee designer to exert complete control over it. The Banshee should be upgraded, not just given fancy new effects and lighting. Or at least given a new coloring because the Reach Banshee is too purple for my tastes.

[Edited on 07.10.2012 6:12 PM PDT]

  • 07.10.2012 6:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Sandtrap

What if you folks all missed a small detail? What if their armour looks the way it does because the Elites are reverting back to what they were pre-Covenant? After all, certain armours were not allowed to be used while in the service of the prophets.

Who knows? Maybe the vehicle's will be changed before release.
The pre-Covie armor was ceremonial and/or for combat effectiveness. Does the H4 Elite armor look ceremonial or for combat effectiveness? I don't think so.

It's a retcon but 343 will find a way to make it canon (like they did with the H4 Grunts). Nonetheless, I only care if they act like Elites (CE, H2) and actually use cover.

As for vehicles, I certainly hope so. I can't believe that they'd allow the Banshee designer to exert complete control over it. The Banshee should be upgraded, not just given fancy new effects and lighting. Or at least given a new coloring because the Reach Banshee is too purple for my tastes.


Have they actually bothered to explain why they are physically changing the body of grunts into something completely different from all other games?

  • 07.10.2012 6:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Sandtrap

What if you folks all missed a small detail? What if their armour looks the way it does because the Elites are reverting back to what they were pre-Covenant? After all, certain armours were not allowed to be used while in the service of the prophets.

Who knows? Maybe the vehicle's will be changed before release.
The pre-Covie armor was ceremonial and/or for combat effectiveness. Does the H4 Elite armor look ceremonial or for combat effectiveness? I don't think so.

It's a retcon but 343 will find a way to make it canon (like they did with the H4 Grunts). Nonetheless, I only care if they act like Elites (CE, H2) and actually use cover.

As for vehicles, I certainly hope so. I can't believe that they'd allow the Banshee designer to exert complete control over it. The Banshee should be upgraded, not just given fancy new effects and lighting. Or at least given a new coloring because the Reach Banshee is too purple for my tastes.


I was not aware they explained why grunts were so different. And as for the banshee, I don't like it because it looks like the reach Banshee.

The Reach Banshee, is an abomination gameplay wise and looks wise.

  • 07.10.2012 9:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Have they actually bothered to explain why they are physically changing the body of grunts into something completely different from all other games?
I don't think they have.

But it'd appear they're doing it so fans can get used to change.

Posted by: Sandtrap
I was not aware they explained why grunts were so different. And as for the banshee, I don't like it because it looks like the reach Banshee.

The Reach Banshee, is an abomination gameplay wise and looks wise.
Read about it here.

Neither do I. Agreed.

-I liked how the green was more visible on the H3 Banshee.
-I liked how the H2 Banshee didn't move so freaking fast that I have to flip a hundred times
-I liked how the H1 Banshee had sparks and smoke effects and made that wailing noise
-I liked how both H1 and ODST Banshees had hover, except the ODST Banshee was better since it could lean to the side
-I liked how the H1 Banshee AI was so aggressive compared to the moderately tame yet deadly Banshees in successors
-I liked how H1 Banshee dogfights could be so epic compared to Reach Banshee dogfights

[Edited on 07.11.2012 12:13 AM PDT]

  • 07.11.2012 12:09 AM PDT

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