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Subject: Reach vs Cod --Age Appropriatness


Posted by: Mythical Wolf
Blame the crappy parents not the developer. Most parents nowadays don't give a -blam!- about their kids.

HEY THATS MY MOM AND DAD U TALKIN BOUT!

  • 07.10.2012 1:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: IRISH 249
That is not what I am debating. I am proposing that it shouldn't be in the game in the first place. And so do you when you state that since 80% wouldn't understand "wargasm" then it is okay to have it in the game.

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Posted by: Coux73
In a game based on killing each other, are the emblems and titles really an issue?


Also, does it really matter? About 80% are not gonna even understand what "wargasm" means, anyway.


My point is, that children shouldn't be playing a game where you run around with a gun and kill people. If you're willing, as a parent, to expose them to that, then you can't also decry the other content that they are exposed to. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

  • 07.10.2012 1:29 PM PDT
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There is no discussing with OP. Every time someone comes up with a legitimate point, he just restates his question or ignores their reply...

Nonetheless this would be like saying that adult film shouldn't have cursing in it because there are kids that watch it and they shouldn't be subjected to hearing that language. The person who made the R rated movie argument also has a good point.

Seriously OP the game is rated M for a reason. The developer makes the game and they get discretion on what is in it. If they like what is in it and ESRB rates it as an M game. Even if a kid gets to play it because his parents don't care or don't realize what it is, does not mean the developers are responsible for that kid being subjected to whatever is in the game, only the parents. There is no morality argument here.

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  • 07.10.2012 2:16 PM PDT

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Just because I don't agree with your point does not mean I am ignoring your reply.

Others have said that the M rating negates any responsibility the game developer may have of producing inappropriate content. I disagree.

I believe developers have a moral (yes, moral) responsibility to produce appropriate content. I am not talking Snow White pure. Just refrain from using -blam!- connotations or glorify illegal drug use.

Bungie is an appropriate model other developers can emulate.

There is a morality argument here.
Posted by: l3ig Z
There is no discussing with OP. Every time someone comes up with a legitimate point, he just restates his question or ignores their reply...

Nonetheless this would be like saying that adult film shouldn't have cursing in it because there are kids that watch it and they shouldn't be subjected to hearing that language. The person who made the R rated movie argument also has a good point.

Seriously OP the game is rated M for a reason. The developer makes the game and they get discretion on what is in it. If they like what is in it and ESRB rates it as an M game. Even if a kid gets to play it because his parents don't care or don't realize what it is, does not mean the developers are responsible for that kid being subjected to whatever is in the game, only the parents. There is no morality argument here.

  • 07.10.2012 3:08 PM PDT

I think they need to be WAY more educated about what is in the games.

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  • 07.10.2012 3:24 PM PDT

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Your not a prude. Their is a difference between being a prude and being moral. I agree that COD is somewhat inappropriate compared to Halo. Good to finally see someone on the internet who is not a complete moron.

You deserve this.

  • 07.10.2012 6:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: DE4THINC4RN4TE
Your not a prude. Their is a difference between being a prude and being moral. I agree that COD is somewhat inappropriate compared to Halo. Good to finally see someone on the internet who is not a complete moron.

You deserve this.


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  • 07.10.2012 8:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: IRISH 249
I believe developers have a moral (yes, moral) responsibility to produce appropriate content. I am not talking Snow White pure. Just refrain from using -blam!- connotations or glorify illegal drug use.
And it's just that.. They have the responsibility to produce appropriate content and they are doing that for adults.. If you want to play a game what doesn't have that go play a disney game or a game rated teen.. Their are adults who play video games and we need/want those type of games.

It's like saying movies should have zero sex, violence, drugs in them because a kid is going to watch it... Sorry but no.

  • 07.10.2012 9:48 PM PDT

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If you're playing online on an M rated game, you should expect people to start swearing.

If you think this is wrong, you're retarded.

  • 07.10.2012 9:50 PM PDT

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I'm under 18, and to me Halo is way more appropriate for teenagers than any cod. Halo does have minimal blood, but the violence hardly feels like violence. After a while, it doesn't feel like you're imitating shooting deadly weapons and enemies. It all becomes tactical and part of a big tactical plan. It's a bit like Starcraft in that while the game is about violence and war, it's more strategical than anything.

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I got legit mad while reading the OP.

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Posted by: Ghosty Gh0st
rated M for mature.

thats the only responsibility the developer has.

The second a parent sees that M is when good parenting should start. This age has a minority of good parents.
FACT

  • 07.10.2012 11:20 PM PDT

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Nope not talking about swearing on multiplayer. That is going to happen. Just talking about what a developer produces.


Posted by: HaloBeeKay
If you're playing online on an M rated game, you should expect people to start swearing.

If you think this is wrong, you're retarded.

  • 07.11.2012 12:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: OVERKILLIN29
I got legit mad while reading the OP.


What made you mad? I am serious. What specifically did I write that makes you angry?

  • 07.11.2012 12:08 PM PDT
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OP, do you know why things like weed plants, or scantily clad women are in the majority of games?

Because s.ex and drugs sell. A producer for a video game company is no more morally inclined to remove those aspects than movie directors/producers are.

They are allowed to put those things in there, up until the ESRB says enough is enough. Its more on the ESRB than the actual producer, because they are the ones who decide when enough is enough, and the company responsible for the game is trying to make money.

Fact is that if you dont like the content of games, then dont play them, and dont let your children play them. After the game has been rated and legally allowed to be sold, the responsibility of what your child plays is solely on you. You can no longer blame the companies, morally or otherwise, for you letting the child play what you find morally questionable.

  • 07.11.2012 12:18 PM PDT

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And to be honest, Halo (1-Reach) itself could have been rated T. There's, what, blood and the rare curse word. I really have seen worse from T games.


Uh, you're completely forgetting the gore the flood introduced. (Dismemberment, disintegration, etc.)


True, but the flood is only in Halo 1-3 anyway. That, and if Bungie wanted, they could take an hour to make the flood less graphic. M-rated things have also never been the core of Halo. Thats how Halo Wars easily got a T Rating. Now think about games like GTA IV. Those wouldn't have the slightest chance of going under the T-mark.

Things keeping Halo at M:
-Language (I've seen E-10 games with multiple questionable words.)
-Blood (Cut yourself...oh my gosh, cover it up so the kids don't see!)
-Violence (You've just described whats in thousands of games now and now a center of gaming itself. Congrats.)
-Gore (There's one...hardly)

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  • 07.11.2012 12:45 PM PDT

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I understand sex and drugs sell games. I just don't believe a developer is forced to go down that path for profit.

Look at Bungie . . . all would readily admit that Halo games pale in comparison to the CoD or GTA. But Bungie still produce games that people enjoy and make a ton of money.

So why go down the path of "sex and drugs=profit"? There is no need.



Posted by: meagsIZbeast
OP, do you know why things like weed plants, or scantily clad women are in the majority of games?

Because s.ex and drugs sell. A producer for a video game company is no more morally inclined to remove those aspects than movie directors/producers are.

They are allowed to put those things in there, up until the ESRB says enough is enough. Its more on the ESRB than the actual producer, because they are the ones who decide when enough is enough, and the company responsible for the game is trying to make money.

Fact is that if you dont like the content of games, then dont play them, and dont let your children play them. After the game has been rated and legally allowed to be sold, the responsibility of what your child plays is solely on you. You can no longer blame the companies, morally or otherwise, for you letting the child play what you find morally questionable.

  • 07.12.2012 8:41 AM PDT

HOW DARE M GAMES BE M GAMES!

  • 07.12.2012 8:58 AM PDT

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  • 07.12.2012 9:21 AM PDT
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They're M rated games, they shouldn't be concerned with being safe for children to play.

I don't see how murder and cursing in a game is okay but a picture of weed isn't for kids to see. Which one causes more pain in a person's life?

  • 07.12.2012 1:27 PM PDT

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But does it need to be a "M" rated game??? And developers know kids are going to play them. Why put the "weed" picture in the game?? It's unneeded as demonstrated by Bungie's very well received games that made a ton of money for them.



Posted by: Vashkey
They're M rated games, they shouldn't be concerned with being safe for children to play.

I don't see how murder and cursing in a game is okay but a picture of weed isn't for kids to see. Which one causes more pain in a person's life?

  • 07.12.2012 3:57 PM PDT

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I'm not really sure I see your point. Developers try to make the best games they can. Age appropriateness is oocasionally a factor, but generally so that they can either preserve and image (Batman: Arkham City, which could have EASILY been pushed to an M) or to increase sales (possibly Halo). In games like Heavy Rain, there's a ton of objectionable content, but it was all necessary to make the game immersive. If the content benefits the game, it should be there. If not, it's pointless and should not be. Developers really aren't in charge of watching the content they include; they're in charge of making the best game they can with whatever content they deem necessary. Is the content you mentioned in CoD "Necessary"? I don't think so, but they might, and that's what counts.

  • 07.12.2012 4:35 PM PDT

They cant really ban 8 yr old kids from playing CoD it's rated "M" thats all the developers can do rest is up to the parents.

  • 07.12.2012 4:39 PM PDT

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I also like how Halo is rated M, but Bungie still knew kids would play it so they tried not to make the game geared towards dismembering people.

  • 07.12.2012 5:11 PM PDT

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