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Subject: Spartan Last Names

How do you feel about them releasing the last names of some of the Spartan II's like they did with Kurt-051 and Noami-010 in Grasslands?

Personally i like it because i makes them feel more real.

What are your thoughts on this?

  • 07.10.2012 9:48 PM PDT

Aforementioned metaphors with semiconsious ocean laws.

The spartans not having last anmes is important and symbolic because of how last names are associated. Last names are also called family names, as they are typically the name that identifies a family group. Spartans are taken from their families at an extremely young age, stripped of any connections to their biological relatives and indoctrinated into the spartan program. They don't have last names because they are connected only to their new family, the spartans. So overall I wouldn't really be a fan of that happening, but itwouldn't make that much of a difference because it has little meaning of impact on the characters. Halo Legends had an interesting segment where a spartan goes home and finds her flash clone. I think that episode really illustrates what I'm saying.

  • 07.10.2012 9:53 PM PDT

i see where you are coming from and i understand that, but at the same time, them having last names would make them more easier to relate to. Makes them more human to me, i mean it is even hinted at in Cole Protocol how the rest of Humanity sees them as only machines, or at least the ones on the Rubble.
I think it was Daisy that went home and found her flash clone.

  • 07.10.2012 9:58 PM PDT

Aforementioned metaphors with semiconsious ocean laws.

That is an interesting point you bring up about hem being more "human". I think that that is what Bungie was purposefully doing, distancing them from humanity. The sprtans are't people, they are basicly seen by humanity as soulless killing macines an in a way they are. They can't relae to humans, can't really feel human emotions. It makes them stronger in combat, but perhaps Bungie was showing the cost of being the perfect soldier, which was a loss of humanity and a loss of that connection to the rest of the species.

  • 07.11.2012 12:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: AgingWhite Fire
How do you feel about them releasing the last names of some of the Spartan II's like they did with Kurt-051 and Noami-010 in Grasslands?

Personally i like it because i makes them feel more real.

What are your thoughts on this?


I know little about Glasslands as I have yet to read it so I can't say about Naomi, but Kurt's actual last name wasn't "Ambrose", they didn't release it. "Ambrose" was the surname thought up for Kurt by Colonel Ackerson when his death was faked and he was conscripted as the CO of the Spartan III's.

  • 07.11.2012 9:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: AgingWhite Fire
How do you feel about them releasing the last names of some of the Spartan II's like they did with Kurt-051 and Noami-010 in Grasslands?

Personally i like it because i makes them feel more real.

What are your thoughts on this?


I know little about Glasslands as I have yet to read it so I can't say about Naomi, but Kurt's actual last name wasn't "Ambrose", they didn't release it. "Ambrose" was the surname thought up for Kurt by Colonel Ackerson when his death was faked and he was conscripted as the CO of the Spartan III's.

That.

I am against the spartans bieing "human" like every human, they can be tricked, lied to, fall in love...That would make them weaker, they could even rebel. To be honest i thought the spartans would hate halsey after they found out that she kidnapped them and flash cloned them...

  • 07.11.2012 10:40 AM PDT

Kurt's last name, as mentioned before, was NOT Ambrose. That was made up.

Namoi-010's last name was revealed I suppose because her Father was the Insurrectionist leader. I haven't read Glasslands yet.

But like someone else said, you can be the perfect soldier but you don't get something for nothing.

You have to give up something, and for the Spartans that was some of their humanity.

  • 07.11.2012 10:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

I'm convinced John's last name is somewhere in the Bible.

  • 07.11.2012 11:05 AM PDT

Wasn't Kurt's actual last name revealed with the Reach Limited Edition journal? I'm sure it was, although I don't have it with me to check right now.

OT: I don't mind, they obviously had last names at some point, although it seems strange that a Spartan has a full name too.

  • 07.11.2012 11:18 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1995324
Kurt's last name, as mentioned before, was NOT Ambrose. That was made up.

Namoi-010's last name was revealed I suppose because her Father was the Insurrectionist leader. I haven't read Glasslands yet.

But like someone else said, you can be the perfect soldier but you don't get something for nothing.

You have to give up something, and for the Spartans that was some of their humanity.


I know Kurt's last name is not Ambrose, however his and Naomi's last names are revealed near the end of Grasslands.
As for your other points, that makes sense but giving up your humanity seems a big cost to ay for being the best.

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  • 07.11.2012 11:30 AM PDT


Posted by: AgingWhite Fire

Posted by: Spartan1995324
Kurt's last name, as mentioned before, was NOT Ambrose. That was made up.

Namoi-010's last name was revealed I suppose because her Father was the Insurrectionist leader. I haven't read Glasslands yet.

But like someone else said, you can be the perfect soldier but you don't get something for nothing.

You have to give up something, and for the Spartans that was some of their humanity.


I know Kurt's last name is not Ambrose, however his and Naomi's last names are revealed near the end of Grasslands.
As for your other points, that makes sense but giving up your humanity seems a big cost to ay for being the best.
Was it? I need to go read that book. Oh and it's GLASSlands.

About losing some humanity... The Spartans II didn't get a choice. They were kidnapped and trained to be soldiers. The IIIs were manipulated into it. They wanted vengeance and ONI was going to give them that chance. ONI never told them about the suicide missions.

Spartans IVs don't lost any humanity because they were normal people. They were trained to be better than they are, but they weren't "bred for war".

  • 07.11.2012 12:04 PM PDT


Posted by: MkEpic
That is an interesting point you bring up about hem being more "human". I think that that is what Bungie was purposefully doing, distancing them from humanity. The sprtans are't people, they are basicly seen by humanity as soulless killing macines an in a way they are. They can't relae to humans, can't really feel human emotions. It makes them stronger in combat, but perhaps Bungie was showing the cost of being the perfect soldier, which was a loss of humanity and a loss of that connection to the rest of the species.
Until Halo Reach, which attempted to show a more human side to Spartans.

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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
I'm convinced John's last name is somewhere in the Bible.


I think it may be Greek, here's why:

John was born on Eridanus 2. Eridanos is a river in Greek Mythology, Virgil thought it was a river of Hades. Now it was thought the rivers were watched over by the Goddess Tethys (daughter of Gaia and Uranus).

Here's a transcript of a description of a Mosaic on a museum in Syria; The goddess Tethys, who may have been a primordial deity of Archaic Greece, and in Classical myths was described as the mother who oversaw the chief rivers of the world known to the Greeks.

Now, note the key word.

John Tethys.

  • 07.11.2012 12:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: AgingWhite Fire

Posted by: Spartan1995324
Kurt's last name, as mentioned before, was NOT Ambrose. That was made up.

Namoi-010's last name was revealed I suppose because her Father was the Insurrectionist leader. I haven't read Glasslands yet.

But like someone else said, you can be the perfect soldier but you don't get something for nothing.

You have to give up something, and for the Spartans that was some of their humanity.


I know Kurt's last name is not Ambrose, however his and Naomi's last names are revealed near the end of Grasslands.
As for your other points, that makes sense but giving up your humanity seems a big cost to ay for being the best.
Was it? I need to go read that book. Oh and it's GLASSlands.

About losing some humanity... The Spartans II didn't get a choice. They were kidnapped and trained to be soldiers. The IIIs were manipulated into it. They wanted vengeance and ONI was going to give them that chance. ONI never told them about the suicide missions.

Spartans IVs don't lost any humanity because they were normal people. They were trained to be better than they are, but they weren't "bred for war".


Oops my bad on the name, even with the book right beside me..... but yea near the end of it his name along with Naomi's is shown.

"Bred for war" is a bit misleadingly though, they were not bred for war in the usual sense as against the insurrectionist it was not so much a full out war as black ops, or at least not a war like the one against the covenant.

  • 07.11.2012 1:38 PM PDT