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Subject: Pro and Con: Destiny: Could a FPS have MM traits?

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
-Omar Khayyám-

Time for a Pro and Con thread everyone.

Though this is about how Destiny could pull off being an FPS with MMO traits to it.

Some questions that would need to be answered:

1) Could an FPS pull off MM style like WoW?
2) Would the Destiny be a good IP for BUNGiE to try this style on?
3) What MM traits would you like to see in Destiny?
4) Would BUNGiE still stick its tried and true formula of sci/fi shooter, massive carnage, AND deep, rich story like they always have done?
5) Could Destiny compete with established MMORPG titles like WoW, Starcraft, City of Heroes/Villains, Champions Online, etc.?
6) Could Destiny set a new niche in the gaming market?
7) Will Destiny finally be the straw that BUNGiE has been waiting for to achieve World Domination?

Now that I left you with some questions, it's time...DISCUSS.

[Edited on 07.13.2012 11:45 AM PDT]

  • 07.13.2012 11:40 AM PDT

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I've always wanted an FPS-MMO before, it's just something I've always thought would be awesome (forgive me if there is one, I've never played an MMO before).

  • 07.13.2012 11:43 AM PDT

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  • 07.13.2012 11:45 AM PDT

1) I don't see why not.
2) We know nothing of Destiny, so how could we know?
3) ...Lots of players?
4) Most likely, they are trying something new, but I doubt they will just forget what was successful with their past games.
5) I'd say yes, but it remains to be seen. We know nothing of the game yet.
6) Maybe. Again, we don't know anything about the game.
7) No. I wish people would stop with the stupid inside jokes sometimes...

  • 07.13.2012 11:47 AM PDT

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
-Omar Khayyám-


Posted by: SyK0sAm
I've always wanted an FPS-MMO before, it's just something I've always thought would be awesome (forgive me if there is one, I've never played an MMO before).


No, from my dealings with MMORPG's and gaming genres and games in general, I have yet to come across an MM style FPS. Not to say there is one but that I haven't seen one yet.

I am maintaining neutrality in this for a little more until I unleash the beast that is my opinion from its steel reinforced cage that is my mouth or keyboard and fingers as it may be.

  • 07.13.2012 11:48 AM PDT

Key

It's not confirmed to be First Person. Just ask Hylebos. He'll tell ya.

  • 07.13.2012 11:48 AM PDT

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
-Omar Khayyám-


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
It's not confirmed to be First Person. Just ask Hylebos. He'll tell ya.

Excuse me, I misread the contract which I have pulled up right now. It says "sci/fi, action shooter" so I interpreted it as FPS. I hope it will be FPS, or otherwise I think I would gag since I played Mass Effect series and the third person or second person perspective don't suit a shooter well at all.

  • 07.13.2012 11:52 AM PDT

For all we know, the MMO-like traits that Destiny could have could simply be the massively multiplayer aspect.

I wouldn't mind a 100 versus 100 game of capture the flag where there are three flags for each team on a large map, with everyone organized into fire teams to defend the flags.

I imagine that there might be some clan integration, but I doubt that the game will delve into any of the RPG aspects of MMOs like finding better items through grinding, leveling up, and all that sort of thing.

Just my two cents.


Posted by: Tookurdignity
I hope it will be FPS, or otherwise I think I would gag since I played Mass Effect series and the third person or second person perspective don't suit a shooter well at all.
For the sake of discussion and curiosity, what specifically? Also, how the hell do you accomplish a second person shooter? >_>

[Edited on 07.13.2012 11:57 AM PDT]

  • 07.13.2012 11:54 AM PDT
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F5 should do the trick.

Haven't seen one myself either and I have played quite a few, tought it'd be interesting to see where this thread goes.

  • 07.13.2012 11:55 AM PDT

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
-Omar Khayyám-


Posted by: Hylebos
I imagine that there might be some clan integration, but I doubt that the game will delve into any of the RPG aspects of MMOs like finding better items through grinding, leveling up, and all that sort of thing.

Just my two cents.


If BUNGiE were to do unlockable items and what not it would be in the manner of their Halo easter eggs, skulls, and armor not level grinding or anything of the sort.

Though as many have previously stated and will continue to state: We aren't BUNGiE so for now, until we recieve more information, we don't know what traits Destiny has that qualifies it under the MM style.

  • 07.13.2012 12:00 PM PDT

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I think it would be something new and different from the traditional FPS games, with the Bungie style mark on it.

  • 07.13.2012 12:01 PM PDT

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
-Omar Khayyám-

Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Tookurdignity
I hope it will be FPS, or otherwise I think I would gag since I played Mass Effect series and the third person or second person perspective don't suit a shooter well at all.
For the sake of discussion and curiosity, what specifically? Also, how the hell do you accomplish a second person shooter? >_>


I always felt sick and sad playing third person shooters like Mass Effect just because of the perspective. I like FPS genre because it feels more like I am the character and in control of the situation than third person.

I referred to second person shooters just because several friend of mine refer to Mass Effect and others as second person shooters. I apologize if I mistyped.

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I would like it to be a huge open world FPS. That would be the ultimate game imo. When I played Boarderlands I was thinking they could make this shooter into a MMO and it would work.

RPG's and FPS have already been combined in the Fallout series. But the shooting in that game was not on the same level as Halo by any means. The next logical step would be a FPS-RPG-MMO combined! If any company could pull that off it would be Bungie.

  • 07.13.2012 12:06 PM PDT
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F5 should do the trick.


Posted by: Tookurdignity


Excuse me, I misread the contract which I have pulled up right now. It says "sci/fi, action shooter" so I interpreted it as FPS. I hope it will be FPS, or otherwise I think I would gag since I played Mass Effect series and the third person or second person perspective don't suit a shooter well at all.


I guess you don't like gears of war either.

  • 07.13.2012 12:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Tookurdignity
I referred to second person shooters just because several friend of mine refer to Mass Effect and others as second person shooters. I apologize if I mistyped.
Don't worry about it guy.

Personally I feel that the third person perspective in general offers more flexibillity in game design as it gives the player more visual information than the first person perspective. It allows the player to actually see his environment, which allows developers to give the player more mobillity as he need not worry about falling off a cliff that he couldn't see to his side. As for the immersion, I'd argue that it's simply easier to immerse the player when he's playing from the first person perspective, but the same effect is accomplishable with enough work from the third person perspective.

I haven't played a ton of third person shooters persay, but the ones I've seen root you to the ground and force you to fight from cover. That's not like the game I have in my mind, but I feel the third person perspective would be much more interesting and unique than the first person perspective, especially since the market is flooded with FPS's at the moment.

I get the feeling though that Destiny probably will be an FPS in the end though =\

  • 07.13.2012 12:14 PM PDT

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
-Omar Khayyám-


Posted by: Guteh

Posted by: Tookurdignity


Excuse me, I misread the contract which I have pulled up right now. It says "sci/fi, action shooter" so I interpreted it as FPS. I hope it will be FPS, or otherwise I think I would gag since I played Mass Effect series and the third person or second person perspective don't suit a shooter well at all.


I guess you don't like gears of war either.

I haven't played Gears at all so I really don't have an opinion on the series as a whole. The reason I chose Mass Effect is because its as close to an MMO style shooter you can get. Well I didn't like it after the first game.

But that's not to say I won't like Destiny but if Destiny has upgrades for guns using money you have to earn like in COD, I will personally barge through BUNGiE studios and fight the man responsible for that.

I rather BUNGiE stick with the Marathon and Halo formula of "find a gun, use the gun, pick up more ammo along the way, drop gun for better gun."

  • 07.13.2012 12:19 PM PDT
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It's going to be something new, like Halo CE back in 2001.

  • 07.13.2012 12:32 PM PDT
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F5 should do the trick.



Posted by: Tookurdignity

I rather BUNGiE stick with the Marathon and Halo formula of "find a gun, use the gun, pick up more ammo along the way, drop gun for better gun."


Agreed, although I'd like to see RPG elements if it were to be a MM.

  • 07.13.2012 12:54 PM PDT

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I'm not sure about what Bungie will do. What I am sure of is that they will release a good game.

The problem with combining great features is that they don't work together unless changes are made and the changes will sometimes change a good feature into a bad one. I trust that Bungie can pull it off but it does make me nervous.

"sci-fi action shooter with MMO parts" is everything that it says it is. Bungie's Soon(TM) is in effect and we just need to wait.


EDIT: I'm also actualy worried about something. What if they have pop-up hints? I hate those.

[Edited on 07.13.2012 1:12 PM PDT]

  • 07.13.2012 1:09 PM PDT

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
-Omar Khayyám-


Posted by: Arbiter 739
I'm not sure about what Bungie will do. What I am sure of is that they will release a good game.

The problem with combining great features is that they don't work together unless changes are made and the changes will sometimes change a good feature into a bad one. I trust that Bungie can pull it off but it does make me nervous.

"sci-fi action shooter with MMO parts" is everything that it says it is. Bungie's Soon(TM) is in effect and we just need to wait.


EDIT: I'm also actualy worried about something. What if they have pop-up hints? I hate those.

If they did include pop-up hints I would think it would just be in a tutorial only. At least...I hope.

  • 07.13.2012 1:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
Personally I feel that the third person perspective in general offers more flexibillity in game design as it gives the player more visual information than the first person perspective. It allows the player to actually see his environment, which allows developers to give the player more mobillity as he need not worry about falling off a cliff that he couldn't see to his side. As for the immersion, I'd argue that it's simply easier to immerse the player when he's playing from the first person perspective, but the same effect is accomplishable with enough work from the third person perspective.

I haven't played a ton of third person shooters persay, but the ones I've seen root you to the ground and force you to fight from cover. That's not like the game I have in my mind, but I feel the third person perspective would be much more interesting and unique than the first person perspective, especially since the market is flooded with FPS's at the moment.

I get the feeling though that Destiny probably will be an FPS in the end though =\
You made very valid points about the downsides of most third person shooters. First there is hardly any vertical gameplay, this leads to a lot of sneaking around corners and pretty bland flow from one area to another. I also have never been a fan of the cover system. Hiding behind your piece of concrete and waiting for the enemy's head to pop up behind their piece of concrete becomes very repetitive. Being able to crouch and use cover in video games is great but the magnetism and the fact that every enemy uses cover forces the player to use it too. If Bungie doesn't stick to the common third person gameplay then they could create a game that stands out.

I also don't like the fact that the market is currently flooded with FPS's, but since it's confirmed that Destiny is going to be a shooter I guess we don't have very many options. Top down shooters also are suffering from repetitive gameplay, maybe Bungie is creating something new.

  • 07.13.2012 2:21 PM PDT

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I think Bungie has always used original ideas. (They revolutionized the FPS genre) So I could see this.

  • 07.13.2012 2:40 PM PDT

Posted by: Kr1egerdude
I also don't like the fact that the market is currently flooded with FPS's, but since it's confirmed that Destiny is going to be a shooter I guess we don't have very many options. Top down shooters also are suffering from repetitive gameplay, maybe Bungie is creating something new.
The game in my head that I would very much enjoy seeing would be some sort of cross between Spiderman 2 and a shooter. One of my favorite things about Spiderman 2 was that the way you moved around the city took a lot of thought, skill, and most importantly, was really really fun.

If there was a way to create a fun and skill based movement system in a large complicated environment without sacrificing the qualities of proper aim and all that other stuff that makes shooters work, that would be pretty amazing.

Heck, even if we went the Just Cause route of giving everyone a grappling hook, that in itself would be pretty interesting I think. One of the things that drove me insane about Just Cause 2 was that despite the fact that the grappling hook was a very interesting tool for both moving around and combat, the environments that the game put you in failed to take full advantage of that grappling hook. Forget flat boring islands punctuated by occasional mountain ranges, give me sky islands and lots of things to grapple to and lots of different angles to grapple from!

  • 07.13.2012 2:47 PM PDT

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  • 07.13.2012 2:51 PM PDT
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