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Posted by: hunter117
Maybe the prophets are forerunners and are deceiving the covenant and using them to reactivate the halos and kill off the flood. I mean if the humans could figure out that halo was a weapon the prophets must know what it dose. They probably want to wipeout the humans because the object under the earth is some kind of failsafe device that can disable all the halos and they don’t want to risk them getting to it and now they are trying to destroy it.


this could be true because i remember reading some where on ilovebees.com that it said the prophets homeowrld is the homeworld of the forerunners

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ILB is a propoganda site thati think bungie uses to throw people off, and if not bungie, then someone that wants to throw ppl off cause they feel like it.

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Interesting. The funny thing is, it never occured to me that the prophets didn't understand the Halos.

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the halo rings had different diameters usually around the 7,000 mi./or kl mark, so ya it could fit in/on earth at the eaquator where going around the world is longest due to gravity and earths rotation while solidifying

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that is a possibility, but that would make a lot of halos hidden...why have some in space and some hidden? and what would they be hiding them from? or what if that is how they were built...on the surface of a planet...that would make sense.....but the object was more like a high charity shape rather than a halo crcle. and how did they saty hidden while man had colonized all of the earth?

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i think i just got dumber from reading that

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whats dumer than a pice of crap?

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Notice how in Halo: CE the Covenant had control of the Control Room of Installation 04 and didn't activate it.


they did not have the index.

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if the prophets are forerunners than what are the council (SAME SPECIES AS HIERARCHES) one more thing i think the humans are forerunners because why would Tartarus make Miranda K activate the halo adn not himself obviously meaning that humans are the highest chance of being forerunners or are and the oracles call humans reclaimers:)

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i dont understand what your saying about the council. but he made her do it to kind of rubb it in her face that they lost and she was helping them, but i think he ended up doing it.

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If we were, the halo's were made 100,000 years ago. were was the technology of thattime (No not alantis!)

A halo ring? WTF? it couldn't even fit in earth! hlao's are massive! (small next to gas-giants is all)

Covenant don't just sourround Halo ringworlds ya know. they also surround planets that may have artifacts to do with the forunners. in this case. the ark. the activation place of every halo.

She's been with him on all of halo:CE and Halo 2. minimal of a year. im guessing knowing ne week of his life is his past. so she does know his past, quite easily.

and he died when he was 14. you sicko

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Your wrong, the halos are 10.000km in diameter, cortana says in halo 2 when miranda keyes see's one ( i think ) and the the earth is 12,462km in diameter , so there...

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Posted by: hunter117
Maybe the prophets are forerunners and are deceiving the covenant and using them to reactivate the halos and kill off the flood. I mean if the humans could figure out that halo was a weapon the prophets must know what it dose. They probably want to wipeout the humans because the object under the earth is some kind of failsafe device that can disable all the halos and they don’t want to risk them getting to it and now they are trying to destroy it. or there is somthing else we dont know about the humans that could case the prophets to fear them.



hmmm...perhaps only truth knows this

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Yeah I thought of that. I also thought that if the humans are forerunners that maybe the prophet of truth is the only one that knows that. No matter what I think the prophet of truth has some big secret that will be reveled in halo3.

  • 06.15.2006 8:26 AM PDT

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yes but i doubt it is anything to do with the humans being forerunner because i don't think they are.

hunter117 i just joined ur hal fanfic group.

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yeah i dont know.

cool.

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Your wrong, the halos are 10.000km in diameter, cortana says in halo 2 when miranda keyes see's one ( i think ) and the the earth is 12,462km in diameter , so there...


are you shore there 10km in diameter that seems a little small. did you mean radius, well that still seems to small.

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Yo hunter

i like your theory man, and its somethin ive been wondering for a while now. however, while looking at the evidence, there may be some problems with the prophets being the forerunner:

1.) the moniters on the installation call the humans ' reclaimers.' now i know these days ppl will refute the notion that reclaimer actually ties them to the forerunner, but hear this out:

"Im glad some of you survived to reproduce.." (GS) <------ now this quote can be taken any way. some say that humanity just happend to be a species that the monitors knew of. but we're aware of the fact that only 4runners may activate the rings. so:
"But already knew that, didnt you? I mean, how could you not have? Last time you asked me , if it were my decision, would i do it? having ample time to ponder your query, i have come to the answer of yes."
That quote sums up that MC, or someone who looked exactly like him, activated the rings. now we know only the 4runner can do this. therefore, 4runner= human-like beings

2.) "They and all additional sentient life in three radii of the galactic center, died. as planned."
We know that the 4runner extinguished themselves. but somehow "some of you survived to reproduce" (ark, the safehaven) Notice how the monitors refer to the humans by a title. whereas they call the other races, like the elites, "members." remember that the brutes got a hold of the oracle, and the oracle was indeed in the prescence of the prophets. wouldnt he at least acknoledge them as the title of forerunner? but they didnt. they instead remained confused as to w the f they kept talking about a prophecy. therefore, i believe that the monitors only see the ' reclaimers ' as heir apparent of the 4runner

3.) Only Truth knows the truth. Now i know that the prophets grew up on the homeworld of the 4runner. but this doesnt mean that they ARE the forerunner. why they grew up there, i cant say. but what i do know is that Truth is the ONLY one who knows wuts goin on. aside from his name, there is so much evidence. he seems to have ALL the power: " The council decided to have you hung by your entrails and your corpse paraded through the street. but ultimately the terms of your execution are up to ME." Would it not make sense that the guy with all the power have all the knowledge?
now somewhere along the line, Truth found out the humans were the descendants. not wanting to lose his status, he's headin to the ark to activate the halos, and thus when all life is purged, the prophets will emerge as the NEW forerunner. make sense?

so although i dont totally agree, i like the idea. ill add a twist based on what i posted, i think the goal of truth is to BECOME the forerunner, and be revered and rule over a galaxy thats devoid of life and poses no threat. id like to hear more, continue

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well alot of what you said was based on the quote "Im glad some of you survived to reproduce.." but i think the acual qoute is "i am glad some of them survived to reproduce..." which could mean any of the races in halo, but i dont know how he would know about the prophets, because they werent there.

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Posted by: hunter117
Maybe the prophets are forerunners and are deceiving the covenant and using them to reactivate the halos and kill off the flood. I mean if the humans could figure out that halo was a weapon the prophets must know what it dose. They probably want to wipeout the humans because the object under the earth is some kind of failsafe device that can disable all the halos and they don’t want to risk them getting to it and now they are trying to destroy it.

y would the prophets lie to the covenant and make it a huge religious thing when they could easily have just said that you will all die from the flood if we dont activate the rings.


Obviously, the Covenant is deeply religious and believe in what they are doing. The thing about "making" it into a religion is that religious fanatics or zealots (hmm .. elite class) are fervent in their desire. They don't care about dying, just the end goal. They will sacrifice lives (Grunts, Jackals, Drones) to accomplish their means. If you don't believe as them, they kill you, such as why they are exterminating the humans. So just telling them that do this or die isn't going to work as well. Religious fanatics have instigated and caused a phenominal amount of death and strife.

Why then, would the Prophets betray their longest standing allies in the Elites? I think that is because the Elites have faith in the Prophecy and perhaps not the Prophets. The Elites are powerful and intelligent. They question their orders, but not their faith. I think the Prophets see that as a threat and a danger to their power. The Brutes were perfect as a blindly faithful, not so intelligent, albeit, powerful tool to replace the Elites.

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i agree

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The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce.



point taken. but from GS diction, and the situation at hand, you would have to believe he's talkin about humanity right?


<Random Humming> ...Unfortunately, my usefulness to this particular endeavor has come to an end. Protocol does not allow units with my classification to... perform a task as important as the reunification of the index with the core. That final step is reserved for you, Reclaimer

evidence of cheif= forerunner


(pauses) More or less. Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. (pause) But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?
We have followed outbreak containment procedure to the letter. You were with me each step of the way, as we managed this crisis.
Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed.


this quote does it for me. theres no other explanation. humanity= forerunner

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The Prophet of Truth definately knows something more about the Halos than he cares to let on, shown by the cutscene where the Arbiter becomes the Arbiter where Truth silences the "Heretic" just as he says something like
"And the truth about the sacred rings is....*gets cut off*"

There might be some suggestion that Regret also knew something of the Rings and the Ark as he was obviously looking for something on Earth - something other than mankind's homeworld. We already know that Truth, Mercy and Regret were the "High Prophets" so perhaps they were the only ones intrusted with the true knowledge of the rings and the council was merely to make the Covenant believe they had some sort of democracy going on.

To counter someone's idea earlier that Cortana knew the truth about the chief's past, yes of course she does. Cortana was designed according to the brain patterns and memories of the Doctor who conceived the Spartan project, so she knows everything there is to know about the Chief's past.

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i question regrets knowledge of the rings

remember : "I shall light this holy ring, release its cleansing flame- and burn a path into the divine beyond!! "

from that quote, i thought regret was acting a tad overzealous, but this one takes the cake:

"Of all the things our lords have left us, there are nothing so WORTHLESS as these oracles. THey Know NoTHING of the GREat JOurney!!!"

i think that particular quote show regret prolly doesnt know wuts goin on. Mercy demonstrates a little too much faith as well. Truth is the only one that doesnt. thats why i believe he's the only one with the ' true ' knowledge

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I'm reading you ICEMAN. I think that Truth knows more than the rest and has a hidden agenda. Like you said, his name is an indicator to that. However, let's not forget, truth is all from a certain point of view. What is truth to one person doesn't mean truth to the same person.

Sorry, I love playing devils advocate.

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cool

thankz

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Believe

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No, why would they have allowed there men to let the flood out if they new right after they would commit sucide

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