Halo: Reach Forum
This topic has moved here: Poll [33 votes]: Should Arena be Zero Bloom?
  • Poll [33 votes]: Should Arena be Zero Bloom?
Subject: Should Arena be Zero Bloom?
Poll: Should Arena be Zero Bloom?  [closed]
Yes:  85%
(28 Votes)
No:  15%
(5 Votes)
Total Votes: 33

Simple as that, would you like it if Arena became a fully ZB playlist? I, for one, would love that.

And yes, I know this would be better suited for the Waypoint forums but they are unbearable.

  • 07.14.2012 1:10 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Honorable Heroic Member
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Your 'beliefs' mean less than dick to me.

Uh, yeah.

  • 07.14.2012 1:11 PM PDT

Only if they don't give us the speed of someone's pet rock.

  • 07.14.2012 2:06 PM PDT

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."

Yes, every playlist should be ZB.

  • 07.14.2012 2:29 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

I'm new to competitive Halo and Halo itself (Reach being my first video game ever actually). Message me if you want to play;

Reach: MLG, Arena, Doubles, BTB and customs.
Halo 3: Ranked MM and customs.

Also I have every Halo title and all of its DLC on the Xbox 360.
-Umpa

I would like it if they remove Arena and slap the ranking system (maybe slightly adjusted) on MLG. But one grenade starts though.

I don't see why MLG is a community playlist. In the same category as grifball and action sack....

[Edited on 07.14.2012 2:41 PM PDT]

  • 07.14.2012 2:39 PM PDT

Country: United States.
State: Pennsylvania.
County: Warren.
I graduated from high school on June-11-2011. I'm 19 right now. I'm turning 20 in December. I like playing video games, and board games. I like reading Sci-Fi, and World War II novels, and what not.

"There is nothing better in the world than being better at a video game than someone else....oh wait"


Posted by: swvjdirector
Yes, every playlist should be ZB.

  • 07.14.2012 2:47 PM PDT


Posted by: BerzerkCommando

Posted by: swvjdirector
Yes, every playlist should be ZB.

  • 07.14.2012 6:43 PM PDT

U Wot m8

No bloom is for sweaty kids.

  • 07.14.2012 6:58 PM PDT

Posted by: WoundedMr Krabs
No bloom is for sweaty kids.
What?

Seems that everyone is a fan of ZB.

  • 07.15.2012 10:43 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

My Resume
Reach Stats
Halo 3 Stats

"In Halo 3 not all 50's were good players, but all good players were 50's."

Your opinion is invalid.

With default Reach speeds I prefer 85% bloom. Zero bloom with slow movement speed makes kill times too fast. Strafing is relatively useless. I don't like that.

  • 07.15.2012 10:45 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:


Posted by: Blacknight159

Posted by: BerzerkCommando

Posted by: swvjdirector
Yes, every playlist should be ZB.

  • 07.15.2012 10:47 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Honorable Heroic Member
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Your 'beliefs' mean less than dick to me.

Posted by: Killer VVhale
With default Reach speeds I prefer 85% bloom. Zero bloom with slow movement speed makes kill times too fast. Strafing is relatively useless. I don't like that.

It's not hard to change movement speed.

  • 07.15.2012 10:51 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

My Resume
Reach Stats
Halo 3 Stats

"In Halo 3 not all 50's were good players, but all good players were 50's."

Your opinion is invalid.


Posted by: MrR46
Posted by: Killer VVhale
With default Reach speeds I prefer 85% bloom. Zero bloom with slow movement speed makes kill times too fast. Strafing is relatively useless. I don't like that.

It's not hard to change movement speed.

But, we all know no one is going to change the movement speed in default playlists.

  • 07.15.2012 10:58 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

I'm new to competitive Halo and Halo itself (Reach being my first video game ever actually). Message me if you want to play;

Reach: MLG, Arena, Doubles, BTB and customs.
Halo 3: Ranked MM and customs.

Also I have every Halo title and all of its DLC on the Xbox 360.
-Umpa


Posted by: Fortunate Son

Posted by: Umpalumpalump63
I would like it if they remove Arena and slap the ranking system (maybe slightly adjusted) on MLG. But one grenade starts though.

I don't see why MLG is a community playlist. In the same category as grifball and action sack....



You can't change the MLG settings to your liking lol. With the increased speed grenades aren't as big of a deal anyway.


The "slightly adjusted" bit was about the ranking system...

If you were talking about the grenades, that I can understand. That was mostly just me getting annoyed when people do things like throwing four pre-nades before entering an area.

  • 07.15.2012 11:02 AM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.


Posted by: WoundedMr Krabs
No bloom is for sweaty kids.


I swear if San ever makes the title, you're the first one in line for the "Sweaty Kid" title. And you know I'll do it.

  • 07.15.2012 11:24 AM PDT

GT: j0sh291
"Gentlemen. I be placed at a bewilderment. There I were, resting, when I hear a frightful row on deck. What be that first mate?"
-"Mutiny. And what fate befalls mutineers? I think we know the answer to that, don't we? Mutineers...HANG!!!"

Twitter:@j0sh291
Follower of Christ!

][-][ //-\\ ][_ ((_))

I'd say yes.

  • 07.15.2012 12:12 PM PDT

I am an Xbox Live Ambassador so feel free to hit me up with any questions via PM :)

Follow me Twitter: @TheBestTheyHad

Yes, yes it should. In fact all of Halo Reach should be zero bloom.

  • 07.15.2012 12:30 PM PDT

The NEIGHBOR of God.

Follow me on Twitter: @Godzneighbor

Xbox Ambassador: Feel free to ask any questions you might have about a Xbox issue in a PM to me. I may be able to help!


Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Yes, yes it should. In fact all of Halo Reach should be zero bloom.

  • 07.15.2012 12:44 PM PDT

"To me, a nice triple kill with the sniper is infinitely more impressive than any Living Dead Killionaire"

Does flaming people on forums count as an esport?

I'm a commendation/achievement/statistics freak.

-David (Drake)

In a way, yes.

Arena's maps were designed for use in 100 percent bloom, which means longer killtimes. It also means that distances between cover can be longer. Take Asylum's courts for example, or Uncaged's long ramp leading from lift landing to top elbow. In ZB, players in those areas will be lit up and killed so much faster because their attackers don't have to wait for bloom to finish the kill.

ZB is obviously more competitive, so logically it should be implemented in the only real "ranked" playlist in the game. However, I think that maps, weapons, and spawns (starting and respawn) would all have to be reworked to make ZB work. Basically, if you increased movement speed, took away sprint, and the likes and made Arena ZB, the playlist would be ranked MLG on non-MLG maps. This doesn't make sense, as ranked is competitive but non-MLG maps are not.

I think the best course of action is to implement the Arena ranking system into the MLG playlist. Arena would continue to have Arena rankings. Then, make Arena ZB with higher movement speed and all the MLG movement settings, but keep the newly modified Arena maps (Sword Base and Reflection need radical changes or possibly need to be taken out completely).

By doing what I've just described, you have made the MLG playlist better, and improved Arena as well, but also given competitive gamers better options as to what they want to play. "MLG 50s with 600/700 wins" would profit from better matches in the new MLG playlist, and semi-competitive players would be able to search in a new, fresh, but gameplay-wise, improved Arena playlist.

To me, it's a win-win.

Anyone who wants to copy-paste this at Waypoint, i encourage you to go right ahead.

  • 07.15.2012 12:44 PM PDT

Why Bungie, why would you do this?! - Halo Community


Posted by: MisguidedDrake4
(Sword Base and Reflection need radical changes


Despite the variants many forgers and I have made, "changing" is something they seem extremely reluctant to do.

For example, I made a variant of Reflection where Red and Blue have MLG standard spawns (rooms outside the top hallway), and objective points are on the hallways that go up to the rooms outside the hallway. All weapons are symmetrical (countdown's style). Shotgun is former red spawn, sniper is moved to be a little more symmetrical, sword is now in former blue spawn, rockets are the same.

Now look how much more fair the map is, and now is fair for both teams. Map movement is exactly the same it was before, and the weapons would only take a little getting used to (they hardly moved too.) Bungie/343 has never accepted new variants in Reach unless they were heavily demanded changes (and those updates are all made by Bungie/343.) or its lolinfection. (Some don't do anything or make the map worse. Pandemic solved Reflection though.) Or its Forge World, which obviously gets old after some time.

I even went to the extent of e-mailing a 343 member(The proper one customers could send recommendations to) , not even advertising my maps, but just be open-minded towards new variants. Of course I get a copy-pasta message about policies and how involved they are with the community and such. I hardly think they read what I sent.

[Edited on 07.15.2012 2:41 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2012 2:38 PM PDT

"I'm uncomfortable."
-True Underdog
Young Grasshopper of The Year: ChorrizoTapatio 2012

A little bit of sausage, a little bit of hot sauce, a whole lot of awesome. Have a question? Ask me!
Chapter

Yeah I think it'd be a nice improvement.

  • 07.15.2012 3:45 PM PDT

Yes it should be, but there would also have to be a few more changes to make it truly competitive.

  • 07.15.2012 3:47 PM PDT