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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Flaming glacier
You're being needlessly aggressive.
I was just pointing something out that I thought could help him, there's no need to step up and argue for him, he's a big boy.


You would know if i was being aggressive which goes back to me saying you shouldn't about the person unless you know them.

Why are you speaking like that? So because he posted something i agree with i can not say it? i am sure if he was on your side you wouldn't be telling him to back off.


Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: Flaming glacier
You have a superiority complex, don't you champ?
Fine, don't take my intendedly helpful advice, like I said.
All the same to me Broku.

Also, Elder, I can barely understand you.


I know, but u have to handle them, because 343i forums are terrible.

Also elder, your a moron too.


Was that seriously called for when i haven't said anything against you?

  • 07.28.2012 4:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Flaming glacier
You're being needlessly aggressive.
I was just pointing something out that I thought could help him, there's no need to step up and argue for him, he's a big boy.


You would know if i was being aggressive which goes back to me saying you shouldn't about the person unless you know them.

Why are you speaking like that? So because he posted something i agree with i can not say it? i am sure if he was on your side you wouldn't be telling him to back off.


Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: Flaming glacier
You have a superiority complex, don't you champ?
Fine, don't take my intendedly helpful advice, like I said.
All the same to me Broku.

Also, Elder, I can barely understand you.


I know, but u have to handle them, because 343i forums are terrible.

Also elder, your a moron too.


Was that seriously called for when i haven't said anything against you?


I didnt say that to you.

  • 07.28.2012 4:51 PM PDT

There are no sides, this is not a debate.
Just me stating what I've been stating, I offered you a way to, in my eyes better yourself.
There was no need for you to escalate this.
As for Bias, seems to me like Elder is somewhat modi-coddling you in stepping in for you, protecting you, it's kind of insulting to imply you need that.
So yes, I certainly would say that if they were on my, as you barbarically put it, 'side'.

[Edited on 07.28.2012 4:53 PM PDT]

  • 07.28.2012 4:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: FTW 1997

Most of my arguments where trolled by people by you, who cant accept others opinion.


Opinions are not applicable in the debates. You have to use hard/solid facts to back up the arguments to get the point across to everyone.


Posted by: Flaming glacier
There are no sides, this is not a debate.
Just me stating what I've been stating, I offered you a way to, in my eyes better yourself.
There was no need for you to escalate this.
As for Bias, seems to me like Elder is somewhat modi-coddling you in stepping in for you, protecting you, it's kind of insulting to imply you need that.
So yes, I certainly would say that if they were on my, as you barbarically put it, 'side'.


Erm, English is your first language? Just asking.

And, Grey was pointing out that brevet mutations for human beings is impossible.

[Edited on 07.28.2012 4:58 PM PDT]

  • 07.28.2012 4:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: FTW 1997

Most of my arguments where trolled by people by you, who cant accept others opinion.


Opinions are not applicable in the debates. You have to use hard/solid facts to back up the arguments to get the point across to everyone.




Most of my posts were just opinions, where i clearly stated that it was my opinion and those who dont like it, should just ignore it.
And even tough in atleast half of them i provided facts.

[Edited on 07.28.2012 4:58 PM PDT]

  • 07.28.2012 4:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: FTW 1997

And even tough in atleast half of them i provided facts.


Facts? Like what?

  • 07.28.2012 4:59 PM PDT

Yes, it's my first, why?
And they are not impossible, just astronomically unlikely.

  • 07.28.2012 5:00 PM PDT
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Sources either from book pages or quotes themselfs, i agree tho some of them where from halo.wikia but most were things i already knew.

  • 07.28.2012 5:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: FTW 1997
Sources either from book pages or quotes themselfs, i agree tho some of them where from halo.wikia but most were things i already knew.


Halo wikia e.g Halopedian and Halo Nation were not acceptable as citation for arguments because of two reasons: speculation article and abusing editing power (where they can easily edit something to mislead something).

And, this is not a example. Show me a example where you argued and actually posted the primary source and maybe secondary source.

[Edited on 07.28.2012 5:03 PM PDT]

  • 07.28.2012 5:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Flaming glacier
There are no sides, this is not a debate.
Just me stating what I've been stating, I offered you a way to, in my eyes better yourself.
There was no need for you to escalate this.
As for Bias, seems to me like Elder is somewhat modi-coddling you in stepping in for you, protecting you, it's kind of insulting to imply you need that.
So yes, I certainly would say that if they were on my, as you barbarically put it, 'side'.


"There was no need for you to escalate this."

Then why didn't you just stop or take my offer to keep it to PMs? it only escalated because you allowed it.


"As for Bias, seems to me like Elder is somewhat modi-coddling you in stepping in for you, protecting you, it's kind of insulting to imply you need that.
So yes, I certainly would say that if they were on my, as you barbarically put it, 'side'."


He stepping in for me and i have debated with dozens of people at the same time on several occasions and won. I need no help in speaking for you, Elder was just stepping in because he sees what was going on hence his statement.


How are you going to try talking when he supports me when you would very well welcome him if he was on your side. So you are a hypocrite.

  • 07.28.2012 5:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

This went from 0 to Flame pretty quick. Funny how it went off topic.

[Edited on 07.28.2012 5:05 PM PDT]

  • 07.28.2012 5:04 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

An argument about arguing... -_-

  • 07.28.2012 5:07 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Flaming glacier
There are no sides, this is not a debate.
Just me stating what I've been stating, I offered you a way to, in my eyes better yourself.
There was no need for you to escalate this.
As for Bias, seems to me like Elder is somewhat modi-coddling you in stepping in for you, protecting you, it's kind of insulting to imply you need that.
So yes, I certainly would say that if they were on my, as you barbarically put it, 'side'.


"There was no need for you to escalate this."

Then why didn't you just stop or take my offer to keep it to PMs? it only escalated because you allowed it.


"As for Bias, seems to me like Elder is somewhat modi-coddling you in stepping in for you, protecting you, it's kind of insulting to imply you need that.
So yes, I certainly would say that if they were on my, as you barbarically put it, 'side'."


He stepping in for me and i have debated with dozens of people at the same time on several occasions and won. I need no help in speaking for you, Elder was just stepping in because he sees what was going on hence his statement.


How are you going to try talking when he supports me when you would very well welcome him if he was on your side. So you are a hypocrite.


Tell me how I allowed it?
Have I not been completely calm this entire time?
You could have, at any time accepted what I was saying, you refuse to see logic because of your anger, and, if you take offence to this, my apologies, clearly your ego.
I'm simply trying to defuse the situation right now.
And please don't accuse me of being a hypocrite, there is no need to be so petty.
As I said, I certainly would not welcome him on my 'side', I view it as modi-coddling, and it is therefore offensive.

  • 07.28.2012 5:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Flaming glacier
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All right, lets get on this topic of this thread-

You have no evidence suggesting that Humans are capable to go through brevet mutation. There is a reason why Forerunners were capable to do this because they have been genetically altering/bio-augmentatng their selves for eons. Do you have any evidence that Humans are continuing altering their genetic and inserting additional augmentations (in many process, not one time like SPARTANs.) for thousands of years?
Do you have any evidence that there is a slight chance for human being to be capable to go through the brevet mutations which it was exclusive to Forerunners only?

[Edited on 07.28.2012 5:22 PM PDT]

  • 07.28.2012 5:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: Flaming glacier
snip


All right, lets get to this point-

You have no evidence suggesting that Humans are capable to go through brevet mutation. There is a reason why Forerunners were capable to do this because they have been genetically altering/bio-augmentatng their selves for eons. Do you have any evidence that Humans are continuing altering their genetic and inserting additional augmentations (in many process, not one time like SPARTANs.) for thousands of years?
Do you have any evidence that there is a slight chance for human being to be capable to go through the brevet mutations which it was exclusive to Forerunners only?

No.
Do you have any solid, stalwart evidence to the contrary?
Such as confirmed 100% chance it couldn't ever happen?
You don't?
Well then, it seems my point stands.
My point, of course, was that it's not at all impossible, just as close as you can be without actually being so.

  • 07.28.2012 5:19 PM PDT
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Ok this argument is dead.
I suggest you stop posting in this thread because nothing can be prooven.

  • 07.28.2012 5:21 PM PDT


Posted by: FTW 1997
Ok this argument is dead.
I suggest you stop posting in this thread because nothing can be prooven.

My point exactly.
Tell me, Elder, what's it say about you when someone who you called a 'moron' gets it, and you do not?
Let's end this childish discussion, thanks to Grey it's been catapulted rather heavily off course.

  • 07.28.2012 5:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

You cannot complain about it escalating when i gave you the option to handle this privately and asked for it to stop.

Who said i was angry? I haven't lashed out or called you a single name. You don't know me and you have never spoke with me so stop acting as if you know how i act when i am upset because i am not and it would be clear if i was.

There is absolutely no logic in telling somebody what they said was "toolish" and then trying to label that as helpful as a cop-out for saying something rude and uncalled for.

This has nothing to do with ego mister "If there is a single misspelled word in a sentence i cannot read it" which is funny because you said "toolish".

Not being very logical about it since you could just stop replying or move it to PMs as i will not stop.

You cannot say that is petty when it was correct. Randomly saying someones words were "toolish", labeling that as "helpful", and then telling that person they were hiding behind someone else is petty.

Your views are the very cause of all this because you see help ass "offensive" and telling somebody their words are "toolish" as helpful.

  • 07.28.2012 5:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Flaming glacier

Do you have any solid, stalwart evidence to the contrary?


In Cryptum, it stated that Forerunners were continually altering their genetic/bio-augmentations for eons. Which it means that they can do brevet mutations because Forerunners were continually altering their augmentations/genetics. We did not see any instance where Forerunner underwent with brevet mutations with Humans, only to other Forerunners so far.

Such as confirmed 100% chance it couldn't ever happen?
You don't?


See the first part again.

Well then, it seems my point stands.
My point, of course, was that it's not at all impossible, just as close as you can be without actually being so.


Nope.avi

You need to prove that it is not impossible.

  • 07.28.2012 5:26 PM PDT

Children will be children.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Flaming glacier

All right, lets get to this point-

You have no evidence suggesting that Humans are capable to go through brevet mutation. There is a reason why Forerunners were capable to do this because they have been genetically altering/bio-augmentatng their selves for eons. Do you have any evidence that Humans are continuing altering their genetic and inserting additional augmentations (in many process, not one time like SPARTANs.) for thousands of years?
Do you have any evidence that there is a slight chance for human being to be capable to go through the brevet mutations which it was exclusive to Forerunners only? [/quote]
No.
Do you have any solid, stalwart evidence to the contrary?
Such as confirmed 100% chance it couldn't ever happen?
You don't?
Well then, it seems my point stands.
My point, of course, was that it's not at all impossible, just as close as you can be without actually being so.




Humans can not randomly and naturally undergo the changes forerunners have been modifying their bodies to do for eons.

  • 07.28.2012 5:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Flaming glacier

Posted by: FTW 1997
Ok this argument is dead.
I suggest you stop posting in this thread because nothing can be prooven.

My point exactly.
Tell me, Elder, what's it say about you when someone who you called a 'moron' gets it, and you do not?
Let's end this childish discussion, thanks to Grey it's been catapulted rather heavily off course.



You seriously cannot call the argument childish and then try ending it with that. which goes back to you being a hypocrite.

  • 07.28.2012 5:31 PM PDT

Waypoint Moderators aren't really Moderators, just power hungry and its goal is defend their beloved Halo at all costs. (Meaning that they wank Halo too much.)

BS Angel is alleged foe so, be wary of Waypoint and its moderators! Do not attempt to move to Waypoint. Enter your own risk.

*WARNING* IT IS MY OPINION.

Now, I'll bring this up again.

You have no evidence suggesting that Humans are capable to go through brevet mutation. There is a reason why Forerunners were capable to do this because they have been genetically altering/bio-augmentatng their selves for eons.

Do you have any evidence that Humans are continuing altering their genetic and inserting additional augmentations (in many process, not one time like SPARTANs.) for thousands of years?


Do you have any evidence that there is a slight chance for human being to be capable to go through the brevet mutations which it was exclusive to Forerunners only?


Answer this with evidence of yours if you can. If not, then drop the claim on "possibility" of human being undergoing the Brevet Mutation with Forerunner.

  • 07.28.2012 5:33 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
You cannot complain about it escalating when i gave you the option to handle this privately and asked for it to stop.

Who said i was angry? I haven't lashed out or called you a single name. You don't know me and you have never spoke with me so stop acting as if you know how i act when i am upset because i am not and it would be clear if i was.

There is absolutely no logic in telling somebody what they said was "toolish" and then trying to label that as helpful as a cop-out for saying something rude and uncalled for.

This has nothing to do with ego mister "If there is a single misspelled word in a sentence i cannot read it" which is funny because you said "toolish".

Not being very logical about it since you could just stop replying or move it to PMs as i will not stop.

You cannot say that is petty when it was correct. Randomly saying someones words were "toolish", labeling that as "helpful", and then telling that person they were hiding behind someone else is petty.

Your views are the very cause of all this because you see help ass "offensive" and telling somebody their words are "toolish" as helpful.


I don't feel the need to handle this privately, as it is not an argument, or a debate, it's simply me stating, and to an extent, trying to prove my peaceful intent to you.

With all due respect, it's fairly clear from the way you're acting you're a tad annoyed by the situation.

There is logic in that, I pointed out exactly what it was intended to be, it's no fault of my own you took it the wrong way. The word 'toolish' alone is not helpful, but the message afterwards should have rendered it far less offensive than how you took it.

I understand, that's fair, you've got me on the subject that I like to casually, jokingly mock people who have bad grammar, spelling or sentence structure, whilst using made up words which have clear meaning. Yeah, no big deal really, is it?

'as i will not stop.'
This fragment of a sentence alone suggests you are annoyed, you are now being somewhat openly childish. 'Do what I want or I will not stop.'
People simply can not be indulged when acting this way, it will breed confidence in the usage of such behaviour in the future.

It certainly is not petty, my friend.
I was simply giving advice, it was took WAY out of context, and furthermore proportion.
I never said anyone was hiding behind anyone, simply pointing out the fact that you could stick up for yourself, and that Elder's intervention were not nescessary and, somewhat insulting to you.

Help is not offensive, again, him modi-coddling you, suggesting even in the basest form you NEED him to is certainly offensive.
And I stand by that your words were toolish, I could have been mopre forthcoming in my telling you they were, but I was not, and the message was eventually delivered that I intended it as helpful criticism.
What you did with that message was none of my business.
However, what you DID with that message, was get all offended and begin to flame me.
Bravo.
You truly are the veteran this forum needs.
Can you please leave me alone now?
This meaningless argument serves only as forum spam.



Grey, I apologize if the catapulted the subject off course line offended you.
Would you like me to remove it?


Also, Elder.
All that being said, you have proved one thing.
It is highly, HIGHLY unlikely that a human could undergo a forerunner mutation at all, let alone a brevet.
As I said, highly unlikely.
Not impossible, we can not state that without proper sources, stalwart evidence, which we do not have, we have no absolutes.
Thank you for pointing that out.

[Edited on 07.28.2012 5:38 PM PDT]

  • 07.28.2012 5:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Flaming glacier

Also, Elder.
All that being said, you have proved one thing.
It is highly, HIGHLY unlikely that a human could undergo a forerunner mutation at all, let alone a brevet.
As I said, highly unlikely.
Not impossible, we can not state that without proper sources, stalwart evidence, which we do not have, we have no absolutes.
Thank you for pointing that out.


Then you have no evidence that it is not "impossible". Which, your claim is no longer applicable to this anymore.

Now, kindly drop the claim and move along until you have some evidence to bring it up.

  • 07.28.2012 5:40 PM PDT

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