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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

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Dude, I've been wondering, is there any way to like work out and get muscle but to not ruin a slim or slender frame? Like not to get a -blam!- block-ish frame?


Of course. Ottermode.

It all depends for how long you keep lifting, and how much you lift. Not to mention keeping a decent diet and such.

Getting huge like people you see in movies and magazines takes YEARS of effort. It's a very slow process.

that sounds... hmmm acceptable, because quite frankly I like my frame the way it is. So... are gyms really worth the money?


I think so, yes. If walk into the gym with a purpose, they are absolutely worth it.

hmmm I have a feeling that I'm interested but... god damnit my lazyness. I don't know if I will be able to do it for longer than... 3 days. That is if I don't feel a difference. And I'm not talking about muscle obviously. I'm talking about the way I feel.

  • 08.14.2012 5:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xanarxses

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

Posted by: Xanarxses

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

Posted by: Xanarxses
Dude, I've been wondering, is there any way to like work out and get muscle but to not ruin a slim or slender frame? Like not to get a -blam!- block-ish frame?


Of course. Ottermode.

It all depends for how long you keep lifting, and how much you lift. Not to mention keeping a decent diet and such.

Getting huge like people you see in movies and magazines takes YEARS of effort. It's a very slow process.

that sounds... hmmm acceptable, because quite frankly I like my frame the way it is. So... are gyms really worth the money?


I think so, yes. If walk into the gym with a purpose, they are absolutely worth it.

hmmm I have a feeling that I'm interested but... god damnit my lazyness. I don't know if I will be able to do it for longer than... 3 days. That is if I don't feel a difference. And I'm not talking about muscle obviously. I'm talking about the way I feel.


Well, I've said this before. You find motivation inside yourself, I can't find it for you.

  • 08.14.2012 6:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

Posted by: Xanarxses

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

Posted by: Xanarxses

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Of course. Ottermode.

It all depends for how long you keep lifting, and how much you lift. Not to mention keeping a decent diet and such.

Getting huge like people you see in movies and magazines takes YEARS of effort. It's a very slow process.

that sounds... hmmm acceptable, because quite frankly I like my frame the way it is. So... are gyms really worth the money?


I think so, yes. If walk into the gym with a purpose, they are absolutely worth it.

hmmm I have a feeling that I'm interested but... god damnit my lazyness. I don't know if I will be able to do it for longer than... 3 days. That is if I don't feel a difference. And I'm not talking about muscle obviously. I'm talking about the way I feel.


Well, I've said this before. You find motivation inside yourself, I can't find it for you.

yeahhh I know. oh god, maybe I should go to bed. I had reasons and motivation a couple minutes ago to start working out but now I've lost them. What the -blam!-.

  • 08.14.2012 6:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Not Batman
you don't need to follow a structured routine to make gains.


OK. Tell that to any experienced lifter and they will laugh at you. You don't make gains just by walking into the gym and doing random exercises and lifts.

It also gets boring and it is a lot better to listen to your body and do basic compound lifts first and then isolation.

I also said in the OP that compound lifts are better than isolation lifts. However, it's not a good idea to send a total beginner to do squats are deadlifts. Because they will almost certainly get the form wrong and injure themselves.

I can guarantee you that I can make better gains doing a standard 5 day a week gym split then that bull-blam!- you suggested. -blam!- stupid joining a gym and following structured plan almost immediately. Most people who do that almost never go back to the gym because it becomes a hassle for them and they really dont end up enjoying working out. He's better off learning how to bench/squat/deadlift on separate days and do tons of isolation along with that.

He's absolutely better off learning Olympic lifts such as squats. But again, this thread is made for total beginners. It's a horrible idea to ask a total beginner to perform olympic lifts like that. He/she needs to build some basic strength for a month or two before attempting anything like squats, or it's a one way ticket to snap city.

[Edited on 08.15.2012 11:33 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Not Batman

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No.

All in all, I've been doing my "way" for 1 and a half year and I can guarantee you that I have stronger lifts then you even if you're a 220 pound fat ass. Structure is -blam!- boring and useless. end of story


Everyone's body is different. Perhaps it works for you. But I can certainly say that that is not the way the majority lift. My Football team certainly didn't when I was on it.

Any respected sports program, including professional ones, follow very rigid and structured routines. You mean to tell me that the entire NFL and NCAA are doing it wrong?

[Edited on 08.15.2012 11:47 AM PDT]

  • 08.15.2012 11:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
I would highly suggest you join the Health & Fitness group
disclaimer: alot of rap haters in this group

  • 08.15.2012 8:55 PM PDT

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All in all, I've been doing my "way" for 1 and a half year and I can guarantee you that I have stronger lifts then you even if you're a 220 pound fat ass. Structure is -blam!- boring and useless. end of story

We have a conclusion without a premise (not even a supplied premise). Ignorant people will try to force an argument like this when they have no support. You are an ignorant person.

A person needs direction and wants to see objective evidence of progress. A person noticing progress will stay motivated. A person launching into exercise without structure will not be able to see progress; thus he or she will not stay motivated and he or she will quit. Therefore, structure is more likely to keep a person exercising than blind immersion.

"Failing to plan is planning to fail."

  • 08.15.2012 10:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: ShieldyPoo
U Mirin?

Why don't you do any work on your chest or legs or something? You look like a cartoon character.


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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr


No.

All in all, I've been doing my "way" for 1 and a half year and I can guarantee you that I have stronger lifts then you even if you're a 220 pound fat ass. Structure is -blam!- boring and useless. end of story

and what routine to you do? Or do you literally just go workout random stuff on random days?

  • 08.15.2012 10:49 PM PDT


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Posted by: Not Batman

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr


No.

All in all, I've been doing my "way" for 1 and a half year and I can guarantee you that I have stronger lifts then you even if you're a 220 pound fat ass. Structure is -blam!- boring and useless. end of story

and what routine to you do? Or do you literally just go workout random stuff on random days?

I think he means he has a set muscle group in mind to work out, but doesn't work those muscles in the same way. Ex. he goes in wanting to work out his arms, chest, and back, but uses different machines/weights than he did last time to work out those same muscles. (guessing)

  • 08.15.2012 10:54 PM PDT

First time I started going to the gym I used a 5 day split given to me by my friend. He, literally, had to show me how to do every exercise, since I had no idea what I was doing. Not necessarily what a beginner should do, I agree, but everyone's different. It worked for me, but it might not work for others, and can actually result in injury.

  • 08.15.2012 11:00 PM PDT

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  • 08.15.2012 11:10 PM PDT

YEAH!!! Work out WOO!

  • 08.16.2012 12:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Not Batman

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr


No.

All in all, I've been doing my "way" for 1 and a half year and I can guarantee you that I have stronger lifts then you even if you're a 220 pound fat ass. Structure is -blam!- boring and useless. end of story
Post a timestamped pic or you're just another know it all dyel kid talking -blam!- on the internet

  • 08.16.2012 7:19 PM PDT

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Damn straight.

  • 08.16.2012 7:29 PM PDT
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Don't be afraid of splits, just know your limits. Know when you're about to hit failure, and don't let your ego get in front of how many lbs you're puttin' up.

Feel comfortable with what weight you're using, and remember that, YOU are using the weigh, the weight isn't using you.
Posted by: Truth of TX
First time I started going to the gym I used a 5 day split given to me by my friend. He, literally, had to show me how to do every exercise, since I had no idea what I was doing. Not necessarily what a beginner should do, I agree, but everyone's different. It worked for me, but it might not work for others, and can actually result in injury.

  • 08.16.2012 10:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Not Batman
you don't need to follow a structured routine to make gains. It also gets boring and it is a lot better to listen to your body and do basic compound lifts first and then isolation . I can guarantee you that I can make better gains doing a standard 5 day a week gym split then that bull-blam!- you suggested. -blam!- stupid joining a gym and following structured plan almost immediately. Most people who do that almost never go back to the gym because it becomes a hassle for them and they really dont end up enjoying working out. He's better off learning how to bench/squat/deadlift on separate days and do tons of isolation along with that.
Compounds before isolation and a 5 day split is pretty much structured. You might be right with what you're saying, but I have no idea what you mean by structure, or your "way".

I agree that the routines in the OP are not optimal. I personally started out with exercises like the bench, squat and deadlift and think that's the best way to do it. But I also made sure to take the time to learn how to do them right. The routines in the OP are appropriate for its audience. It would be stupid to tell random and young people to start doing those exercises from the beginning, they will most likely hurt themselves. I've only recommended squats and deadlifts when I can make sure they're being done right.

[Edited on 08.16.2012 11:22 PM PDT]

  • 08.16.2012 11:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Not Batman
you don't need to follow a structured routine to make gains. It also gets boring and it is a lot better to listen to your body and do basic compound lifts first and then isolation . I can guarantee you that I can make better gains doing a standard 5 day a week gym split then that bull-blam!- you suggested. -blam!- stupid joining a gym and following structured plan almost immediately. Most people who do that almost never go back to the gym because it becomes a hassle for them and they really dont end up enjoying working out. He's better off learning how to bench/squat/deadlift on separate days and do tons of isolation along with that.
Compounds before isolation and a 5 day split is pretty much structured. You might be right with what you're saying, but I have no idea what you mean by structure, or your "way".

I agree that the routines in the OP are not optimal. I personally started out with exercises like the bench, squat and deadlift and think that's the best way to do it. But I also made sure to take the time to learn how to do them right. The routines in the OP are appropriate for its audience. It would be stupid to tell random and young people to start doing those exercises from the beginning, they will most likely hurt themselves. I've only recommended squats and deadlifts when I can make sure they're being done right.


This is really what I was thinking when making this thread.

Squats and deadlifts are important lifts that any lifters should do. Not for beginners, though. You need to have some kind of base strength before moving on to those kinds of things.

Also, I included squats and deadlifts in the OP, but I mentioned they are advanced lifts that should be taught only by a trainer, coach, or experienced friend.

  • 08.16.2012 11:52 PM PDT
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Wort, wort, wort!

So, as a beginner with what should I start? Too lazy to google.

  • 08.16.2012 11:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sp4rksLT
So, as a beginner with what should I start? Too lazy to google.


Do you have access to a gym?

  • 08.17.2012 12:05 AM PDT
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Wort, wort, wort!

Not for like a month or so, no.

  • 08.17.2012 12:07 AM PDT

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  • 08.17.2012 12:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sp4rksLT
Not for like a month or so, no.


There is some stuff that you can do at home, not too much though.
The circuit posted below will mainly help strengthen your core (stomach, lower back). You'll hit your legs, chest, and triceps a little bit, too. If you can do pull-ups or chin-ups, you can also hit your upper back.

Jumping lunges
Push-Ups
Diamond Pushups
Prisoner Squats
Russian Twists
Burpees
V-Ups
Bench Dips
Planks
Pull-Ups, Chin-Ups, Neutral Grips (a thick tree branch works just as well as a pull-up bar)

[Edited on 08.17.2012 12:22 AM PDT]

  • 08.17.2012 12:16 AM PDT