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Well heres something that just hit me about 5 minutes ago. I dont know if this has been said before but i think its new. I dont think its groundbreaking but it could have a considerable impact.

Okay well heres what i had just realized. The Gravemind is found on delta halo, we think. Only his tentacles clearly show him on Delta Halo. When it actually showed him there was no way to tell where he was but everyone assumed he was on Delta Halo HOWEVER.\

When you beat the game and wait through all the credits you clearly see the gravemind's tentacles weaving around to make it to Cortana, but where are they? They're on the covenant's holy city High Charity, which is holding orbit near delta halo. How is he there? Theres no way he stuck his tentacles all the way through space from Delta Halo to high charity. I believe the Gravemind can be manifest anywhere there is a (at least significant) flood infestation. So he probably does have full control over all of the flood. Its even possible all of the flood are actually just part of one overall entity, at least mentally, aka the Gravemind.

Well earier I stated we had never seen where he was, just some large dark room right? Well he showed off his talents in his ability to teleport you, and hes been around forever, maybe hes figured out not only how to teleport around halo, but to teleport around any Forerunner structure w/ a teleportation grid. It is possible he grabbed both the MC and the arbiter and teleported them to him to talk to him, then ported them right back on out.

another edit: To make this more clear im trying to say that I believe the graveminds actual form is somewhere else. Like in the Ark maybe? Or somewhere else of more significance. It only shows his tentacles on delta halo, just as much as it shows over on High Charity, but we know his full form isnt there, it wouldnt have had the time to form. Just like on delta halo the flood infestation was new, they didnt have time to create a new Gravemind there. and if they did it wouldnt know as much as this one did. Hes not on delta halo....i think

Edit: Oh new evidence that i also just realized. The gravemind is supposed to be super old right? Well how could he have survived on Delta Halo after the halos fired off. The only things that survived were the few things kept for "study purposes" as quoted from 343 guilty spark.
343 GUILTY SPARK:

Why naturally the Flood is simply too dangerous to release, and mass sterilization protocols may again need to be enacted. Of course, samples were kept here after the last catastrophic outbreak...for study. It seems... that decision may have been an error.

Maybe (if the Ark theory about the ark being the only place things can surivive holds up) hes in the ark! or just on some other planet or something.

Im pretty sure this is a new theory, its probably not all correct, but im pretty sure the gravemind can somehow exist wherever the flood exist. Only time will tell eh? All feedback is appreciated.

[Edited on 6/14/2006]

  • 06.14.2006 11:19 PM PDT

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interesting theory. there isn't much proof to support your claim though. towards the end you see the flood piloting pelicans and eventually you see "in amber clad" crashed into high charity at some point. it's not too hard to believe that the gravemind was piloted over by infected marines. and after you kill the prophet of regret during the cutscene you see master chief sinking in the water, thats when he is grabbed by the gravemind. it's pretty hard to believe that the gravemind could transcend the physical plain all on his own considering he is not mechanical in any way. at least not that we know of.

  • 06.14.2006 11:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
interesting theory. there isn't much proof to support your claim though. towards the end you see the flood piloting pelicans and eventually you see "in amber clad" crashed into high charity at some point. it's not too hard to believe that the gravemind was piloted over by infected marines. and after you kill the prophet of regret during the cutscene you see master chief sinking in the water, thats when he is grabbed by the gravemind. it's pretty hard to believe that the gravemind could transcend the physical plain all on his own considering he is not mechanical in any way. at least not that we know of.
How come gravemind didnt kill master chief? [SORRY,I DONT HAVE HALO 2/X BOX]

  • 06.14.2006 11:28 PM PDT
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well, im thinkin here... if gravemind can teleport, he was really really large right? as in 10x the halo 2 flood juggernaut. how does something like that end up in high charity? yes, maybe your flood theory was right. maybe im just crazy. cortana likes crazy, remember?

so, in the ending, where cortana said 'alright, shoot' you could see deposits of flood there. and the room was a bit unbalanced. not like unbalanced as in the room wasnt congruent. it was as if the room was tilted. or maybe that was just the camera view. but if you look at the air, its all dark and musty. now, unless the flood DIDNT like darkish green and brown, i'd be thinking 'flood.' right there. so if its flood, and gravemind has tentacles (dont the flood have tentacles as well?) what if he IS the flood?

thats my point, if he is the flood. he's been there, ever since the forerunners right? well, didnt the forerunners create the flood? and then werent the forerunners killed? demolished? destroyed? blam, cleared? so, what if he IS the flood.

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it has been confirmed that one of the mountains in the halo 3 trailer was mount killamanjaro. correct. but now, the video i watched went deeper about how it was close to the equator. then they said, equator, rings? then they said something about the last and final ring being beneath the earth right? so, if it IS beneath the earth, then why does truth go there instead of any other rings? master chief only destroyed one right?so it leaves six rings. where? we dont know. im just bored. and this takes my time. im fine with that.

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I believe the flood are all one big collective as you said, and where ever they are gravemind is. It makes sense that since he is able to teleport others he can teleport himself (isnt it possible that he could have come on a ship like the rest of the flood?), but to cover the whole city of High Charity he must have gotten bigger (This is just a guess since you never get to see his whole body), which leads me to believe that he is made out of the flood, they sacrifice their bodies and become one with him and make him bigger.

How else could he have gotten so big? All the other flood infect sentient being and take over their bodies, what kind of alien body could gravemind have taken over to look like that and be that size? And i doubt the forerunners would have made him that big on purpose, but you never know...

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
interesting theory. there isn't much proof to support your claim though. towards the end you see the flood piloting pelicans and eventually you see "in amber clad" crashed into high charity at some point. it's not too hard to believe that the gravemind was piloted over by infected marines. and after you kill the prophet of regret during the cutscene you see master chief sinking in the water, thats when he is grabbed by the gravemind. it's pretty hard to believe that the gravemind could transcend the physical plain all on his own considering he is not mechanical in any way. at least not that we know of.
How come gravemind didnt kill master chief? [SORRY,I DONT HAVE HALO 2/X BOX]


didnt it say that the master chief had a purpose? that there was something he was MEANT to do? same with the arbiter? then you come back to... "I know your past. Your future." gravemind was the one talking. not cortana. unless cortana was more... enlightened to the point where she know where this was going.

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Do you recall In amber clad having been flown into High Charity?

Cortana says Gravemind used MC and our little elite friend just to get to In amber clad. Which he used as a carrier for himself.

  • 06.14.2006 11:38 PM PDT
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i never said he can teleport, even tho he might be able to. i think that he has complete control over all the flood and that whervere the flood are he is. so he just grows tentacles wherever theres a flood infestation. like when u were running back thru high charity after the flood came and there were all these ugly floodlike things growing on the walls. he probly grows his tentacles through those or at least in somewhat of the same manner. like i said though its possible his full physical form (aka the one we saw in halo 2) is somewhere else, maybe the forerunners home planet or maybe the ark.

or maybe im just crazy and hes on delta halo.

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Do you recall In amber clad having been flown into High Charity?

Cortana says Gravemind used MC and our little elite friend just to get to In amber clad. Which he used as a carrier for himself.


not for himself, do u think he crawled or rolled or w/e he does into the IAC? no he used the IAC to get as many flood forms as possible to the high charity to infest it. i dont think hes very mobile, he kinda looked like a plant

  • 06.14.2006 11:40 PM PDT
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This theory was on HBO last year. People have wondered if he climbed up/ used a captured vessel (human or covie) or used the teleportation grid. No one is sure yet as there are problems with each theory.

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well my actual theory is that he isnt even on delta halo, hes somehwere else. why would he randomly choose delta halo to be manifest on. And the odds of them all running into the same halo the gravemind was on by coincidence is pretty low. not impossbly low, but low nonetheless

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I Just dont think they would have made such a big deal about graveminds plot to steal Amber Clad, if he was just going to fill it with flood and flood only.

  • 06.14.2006 11:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Vertigo540
Do you recall In amber clad having been flown into High Charity?

Cortana says Gravemind used MC and our little elite friend just to get to In amber clad. Which he used as a carrier for himself.


not for himself, do u think he crawled or rolled or w/e he does into the IAC? no he used the IAC to get as many flood forms as possible to the high charity to infest it. i dont think hes very mobile, he kinda looked like a plant



Who says that plant-like thing is his true form? (For all we know that could be another one of his puppets/tenticals that he chose to speak to the arbiter and cheif.) How do we know that he even has a true from, he could be a single being or just a combined concience of the flood and there is a little bit of him in all of them.

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Suddenly I'm reminded of Matrix Revolutions.

Close to the end where the machines are manifest as a single head, with a combined mentality.

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I think it was such a big deal because the flood have never gotten completly off a halo (as far as I know), and an amber clad filled with flood heading towards a covenant capital city would be a big shock. That would mean that if they took over high charity their numbers would greatly increase and they could fly it to another covie city and repeat that process untill the covenant has been wiped out.

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Posted by: MooseJuice
Posted by: Vertigo540
Do you recall In amber clad having been flown into High Charity?

Cortana says Gravemind used MC and our little elite friend just to get to In amber clad. Which he used as a carrier for himself.


not for himself, do u think he crawled or rolled or w/e he does into the IAC? no he used the IAC to get as many flood forms as possible to the high charity to infest it. i dont think hes very mobile, he kinda looked like a plant



Who says that plant-like thing is his true form? (For all we know that could be another one of his puppets/tenticals that he chose to speak to the arbiter and cheif.) How do we know that he even has a true from, he could be a single being or just a combined concience of the flood and there is a little bit of him in all of them.


thats a big possiblity too but i think he needs some form of physical manifestation to gather all of the knowledge and store it. kinda like a huge database or a command center or w.e

kinda like in StarCraft where the overmind had to be manifested on a physical plane. see see overmind, gravemind. its all coming together now

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Posted by: MooseJuice
thats a big possiblity too but i think he needs some form of physical manifestation to gather all of the knowledge and store it. kinda like a huge database or a command center or w.e

kinda like in StarCraft where the overmind had to be manifested on a physical plane. see see overmind, gravemind. its all coming together now


I haven't played sc in ages and when i did i wasn't paying close attention to the story.

Terran=Humans
Protoss=Covenant
Zerg=Flood

Which means the Arbitor is going to get into a big carrier thing and crash it into gravemind?

If i remeber correctly there are lots of similarities to the Arbiter and that exiled protoss guy that sacrificed himself, w/e his name was.

lol
btw this wasnt a theory, i'm just messing around so don't start flaming me.

  • 06.15.2006 12:03 AM PDT
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im gunna feel like a complete noob but i never figured out what is the flood juggernaught i play this game a crap load but never figured it out

  • 06.15.2006 12:36 AM PDT
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The Gravemind is on delta halo from the beginning beneath the library. He either teleports himself onto High charity or he used in-amberclad to get there. I think the lator is most likely

  • 06.15.2006 2:25 AM PDT
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On a scale of 1 to livid, where will the Arbiter fall when he gets back to Sanghelios and discovers that most of the planet has been battered by the NOVA bomb?

I'm beginning to think that The Flood is a metaphor for the all consuming, self-loathing horror that the forums have become.

How was In Amber Clad able to make its way past 400+ Covenant ships orbiting High Charity? (If not 400, then certainly more than enough to vaporize In Amber Clad).

  • 06.15.2006 2:43 AM PDT
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Not sure how but it did,
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How was In Amber Clad able to make its way past 400+ Covenant ships orbiting High Charity? (If not 400, then certainly more than enough to vaporize In Amber Clad).


Not sure how but it did, if you remember you see it crash in the game.

  • 06.15.2006 2:46 AM PDT
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We assume that Gravemind lay at the bottom of the Library on Delta Halo. I happen to believe there is a connection from the Library to the Lake Temple where you kill Regret. Notice the scope of the lakes when you play the next level.

This lake couldn't have been caused by volcanic action, it must have been formed from some other cataclysmic event.

I believe that Gravemind has the ability to teleport the entire time, although it would serve no purpose to teleport elsewhere on Delta Halo. He needed to the index to stop the next firing, why not be at the library, under if not better. You notice in the cutscene when Miranda Keye's reaches for the Index, she is holding onto a Gravemind tentacle, which seems sturdy, but, as soon as she grabs the Index it starts to slip down the same hole we know Arbiter fell down, meaning that he would have had Miranda and the Index.

For some reason, I do not believe that Gravemind has complete controll over the Flood. I believe he has heavy influence over them like the leader of a Swarm, however, I do not believe that he has controll over each indavidual Flood Form. When he sends Cheif and the Arbiter to find the Index, you notice that the Flood only show up on High Charity, when Truth is ready to give Tartarus the Index and let him go to the Control Room, is when the Flood arrive. Moments later, a small swarm of Flood Infection Forms attempt to attack Truth, Mercy and Tartarus failing. It is only after Tartarus escapes that the Flood burst from In Amber Clads wreckage, and the Flood begin to attack the Cheif.

However, the Flood never assualt the Control Room, and they never attack the Arbiter. This is another reason why I believe the Gravemind does not hold complete control over the Flood. It is obvious that the attacking the controll room with mass amounts of Flood, wouldn't serve his purpose. Yes he would stop the the Index from unifying with the Core, but he would lose his ability to escape Delta Halo. Without hosts for the Combat and Carrier forms, he would have no way to get off the planet in force. There would be no Pilot forms for the ships. After the bodies of the current Flood decay completely the Flood is again stuck on Halo till more creatures arrive. Also, I believe that the Flood would not be able to deliver the Index back to Gravemind, they would not have the intelligence required for that. They would have to infect a host who already had it on them to even have a chance.

I find this meeting odd as well.

Cortana: What, is that?

Gravemind: I, I am a monument to all your sins.

Cheif: Relax, I would rather not piss this thing off.

Arbiter: Demon?!
Gravemind: Your prophets have promissed you salvation from a doomed existance, but you will find no salvation on this ring.

Arbiter: Kill me or release me, parasite. But do not waste my time with talk.

Gravemind: There is much talk, and I have listened through rock and metal and time. Now it is I who will talk and you who will listen.

Prophet of Regret: I am the Prophet of Regret, Council of Most High, Heirarch of the Covenant.

2401 PT: And I am the Moniture of Instllation 05. I am 2401 Penitent Tangent. A reclaimer, here?! Quickly we must activate this instillation if we are to control this outbrake!

Prophet of Regret: Stop! Nothing can be done untill my sermun is complete!

2401 PT: Not true. This instillation has a successful utilization record of 1.3 trillion simulated and 1 actual. It is ready to fire, on demand.

Prophet of Regret: Of all the objects our Lords left behind there are none as worthless as these Oracles. They know nothing of the Great Journey!

2401 PT: And you know nothing of containment, you have shown total disregard for even the most basic protocols.

Gravemind: This ones "containment" [growl], and this ones "Great Journey" are the same. Do not mistake their intent, or all will perish as they did before.

MC: This thing is right, Halo is a weapon. Your prophets are making a big mistake.

Arbiter: Your ignorance already destroyed one of the sacred rings. It shall not harm another!

Gravemind: If you will not see the truth, then I will show it to you. There is still time to stop the key from turning, you will search one likely spot and you will search another. Fate had us meet as foes, but this ring will make us brothers!


Why did he have 2401 PT and the Prophet of Regret speak, why not explain it himself?

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maybe...he's like fungus, mushroom ring? Maybe we shouldn't be thinking "Gravemind", but perhaps we should consider "Gravemindssss", plural...

  • 06.15.2006 11:41 AM PDT