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Umm, didn't they, the Forerunners, activate the Halo (Halo's) at some point in the past? Did Gravemind "survive" the last activation of the Halo (I wonder how many times they have had to activate those stupid things?). Don't tell me Gravemind is immune (oh god I hope not). And if Gravemind has the ability to teleport (Gravemind in telepathic, is he/she psychic too?) Master Chief and the Arbiter anywhere about the ring it wants, does that mean Gravemind has the ability to teleport you to "any" Halo "anywhere"? Gravemind had one of the Prophets in his 'possession, along with MC and Arbiter. The Prophet was 'a part' of Gravemind, 'linked' with Gravemind. Does Gravemind "know" everything the 'Prophets' know? Captain Keys of the Pillar of Autumn was also "linked" with what I assumed was the Flood mind (the Flood all look like little heads). Was Gravemind "accessing" everything the human Keys knew? Remember Robotech, remember Reflex Point, the central brain that controlled all of the other Invid? Did Gravemind also possess one of the Guilty Sparks as well? I can't seem to recall. The Prophets also possessed one of the Guilty Sparks, they too would know much. What did the Sparks tell them? They would certainly have to know about the true purpose of the Halos. Did the Guilty Spark with Gravemind communicate with the Guilty Spark with the Prophets? Ok, that might be going a bit far. But, remember the movie Alien, their ship didn't just "happen" to stop near that planet, they were "sent" there by Earth on purpose. Did the Pillar of Autumn just "happen" to "blind?" jump coincidentally right at a Halo? What are the odds? The Captain acting all innocent like. Why was Captain Keys so determined to land the Pillar of Autumn on the ring, so as to be ready to blow it up? Why didn't he just abandon ship like everybody else? I guess more crewmembers did survive that way (Reunion Tour). And why did the head Brute require a Guilty Spark when he went to activate the ring? And you remember, it was as though only a Human could actually activate the ring. He kept Captain Keys' daughter alive as though "they knew" that only a human hand could actually touch the key and activate the ring. Remember what the Brute said "if you refuse, I'll cut off your hand and do it myself." Cut off her hand? Why didn't the alien humanoid just put the key in himself, why did he need a human with him to do it? In the first Halo the Master Chief, human though cyborg, was bidden by the Guilty Spark to activate the halo ring (because the Flood had "escaped"). If the Guilty Spark could take the key from MC at will (while they traveled back to the ignition site) why didn't Guilty Spark just activate the ring himself? In fact, what kind of system is that, they keep all these Sparks around do kill and defend against the Flood, but the Sparks are not capable of actually activating the rings? What exactly are these Sparks good for? If the Flood escape and there are no humans around, what happens then? Who activates the rings? Wait a minute, the Flood are immune, the rings only kill their food (what, I'm 'food' now!!?). Apparently the Flood don't actually die (damn, these things are old). Gravemind "is" immune, wow. And listen to the trailer. When "Cortana" is talking (to the Master Chief?) she says "I have known gods and demons... When she says "demons" she says it in a "deep" voice, just like how Gravemind talks. Forerunners=forefathers; Reclaimers=inheritors? Those beings infected with Flood, over who knows how many years, you don't suppose those stupid things "evolve"? I don't even want to think about that one. So, if Gravemind (Deadhead) "was" able to teleport to any halo ring anywhere, then does that mean Earth is a place within the ring system that Gravemind could teleport Cortana (and himself?) to? But just another thing. In Halo 2, the sequence of events was that the Prophets had already taken off for Earth "before" they knew that the Grunts had failed to activate the ring. Why? Why did they bother leaving? Just in case the Grunts failed? Master Chief was actually with them, whether they knew it or not. If the Grunts had succeeded, everything, including the Prophets, would be dead. Did the Prophets find out about Earth from "Captain Keys"? Is the reason Master Chief was so casual in approaching the crater because he was already aware of something, the Covenant too were aware? Were they on the same side, allies? I mean, the Prophets, from the Sparks, would have to know now what the rings are actually for, to kill Flood. There is no great journey to take, just don't let the stupid Flood out of their cages. Is there a way to activate the rings without killing anything "but" the Flood? I hope so. So what's the point? If the Flood have escaped, you would have to activate the rings to stop them. The Prophets and the Covenant would know this. That's what the rings are for. Maybe this "is" the last Halo. The ultimate sacrifice. Remember Gravemind wanted to "touch" Cortana, she prevented him with a wave of her hand. It was as though Gravemind wanted to "upload" her, link with her program in the same way she links with the Master Chief. Is Gravemind linked with the ring's computer? Did Earth know about the rings all along? Where the Covenant, the Prophets, looking for the rings all along, before they came into contact with the humans and they didn't want the humans to find out? Is that the real reason they destroyed Reach, the humans were too close? Didn't Cortana say at the start of the first Halo that after they made the "blind" jump that "the Covenant were waiting for us". The Covenant traveled to a point is space before the Pillar of Autumn got there "doing a supposedly blind jump"? The Covenant were travelling to the ring, the same point in space Captain Keys asked Cortana to fly the Pillar of Autumn to. Coincidence or intentional? Was Cortana aware all along? When we were on the first Halo, did you, like me, get the distinct feeling that Captain Keys had a hidden agenda, like he knew something, wanted something? He sounded suspicious when he seemed awfully eager to learn whether or not MC and Cortana had gotten inside yet. And what did the Captain mean he might be unable to be contacted by Cortana, how did he know he would be out of communications range, unless he intentionally turned his radio off so he couldn't be contacted? Cortana had no trouble talking to the Marines on the surface when she asked if they could take cover inside the structure. The Captain was captured, rescued, then captured 'again'. When the Chief removed the Captains cyber link after the Captain was found dead (linked with Gravemind?) what information exactly was contained in Captain Keys' cyber link the Master Chief put in his head? Did Earth learn anything? How did Master Chief know that he was going finish the war now that he had returned to Earth? He couldn't possibly have known anything at that point. Cortana was just then meeting Gravemind. Or am I just reading too much into it. You know what, in the first Halo, I don't think the Covenant just "happened" to let the Flood escape, I think the Flood were let loose on purpose. Did the humanoid Brutes betray the Prophets? I forget now. Are the Covenant and Prophets actually on Earth to "stop" the activation of the Halos? Is that why Master Chief is so calm? The Covenant didn't seem to be fighting Earth anymore in the trailer. Every Covenant vessel on Earth seemed to be gathered at that one spot. A truce?

  • 06.15.2006 6:15 AM PDT

Stay with the Master Chief, he'll know what to do

*blink*... o-O thats alot of text man...I dont even know where to start, you have given me lots to think about.

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Posted by: HALOBERON2000

Umm, didn't they, the Forerunners, activate the Halo (Halo's) at some point in the past? Did Gravemind "survive" the last activation of the Halo (I wonder how many times they have had to activate those stupid things?). Don't tell me Gravemind is immune (oh god I hope not). And if Gravemind has the ability to teleport (Gravemind in telepathic, is he/she psychic too?) Master Chief and the Arbiter anywhere about the ring it wants, does that mean Gravemind has the ability to teleport you to "any" Halo "anywhere"? Gravemind had one of the Prophets in his 'possession, along with MC and Arbiter. The Prophet was 'a part' of Gravemind, 'linked' with Gravemind. Does Gravemind "know" everything the 'Prophets' know? Captain Keys of the Pillar of Autumn was also "linked" with what I assumed was the Flood mind (the Flood all look like little heads). Was Gravemind "accessing" everything the human Keys knew? Remember Robotech, remember Reflex Point, the central brain that controlled all of the other Invid? Did Gravemind also possess one of the Guilty Sparks as well? I can't seem to recall. The Prophets also possessed one of the Guilty Sparks, they too would know much. What did the Sparks tell them? They would certainly have to know about the true purpose of the Halos. Did the Guilty Spark with Gravemind communicate with the Guilty Spark with the Prophets? Ok, that might be going a bit far. But, remember the movie Alien, their ship didn't just "happen" to stop near that planet, they were "sent" there by Earth on purpose. Did the Pillar of Autumn just "happen" to "blind?" jump coincidentally right at a Halo? What are the odds? The Captain acting all innocent like. Why was Captain Keys so determined to land the Pillar of Autumn on the ring, so as to be ready to blow it up? Why didn't he just abandon ship like everybody else? I guess more crewmembers did survive that way (Reunion Tour). And why did the head Brute require a Guilty Spark when he went to activate the ring? And you remember, it was as though only a Human could actually activate the ring. He kept Captain Keys' daughter alive as though "they knew" that only a human hand could actually touch the key and activate the ring. Remember what the Brute said "if you refuse, I'll cut off your hand and do it myself." Cut off her hand? Why didn't the alien humanoid just put the key in himself, why did he need a human with him to do it? In the first Halo the Master Chief, human though cyborg, was bidden by the Guilty Spark to activate the halo ring (because the Flood had "escaped"). If the Guilty Spark could take the key from MC at will (while they traveled back to the ignition site) why didn't Guilty Spark just activate the ring himself? In fact, what kind of system is that, they keep all these Sparks around do kill and defend against the Flood, but the Sparks are not capable of actually activating the rings? What exactly are these Sparks good for? If the Flood escape and there are no humans around, what happens then? Who activates the rings? Wait a minute, the Flood are immune, the rings only kill their food (what, I'm 'food' now!!?). Apparently the Flood don't actually die (damn, these things are old). Gravemind "is" immune, wow. And listen to the trailer. When "Cortana" is talking (to the Master Chief?) she says "I have known gods and demons... When she says "demons" she says it in a "deep" voice, just like how Gravemind talks. Forerunners=forefathers; Reclaimers=inheritors? Those beings infected with Flood, over who knows how many years, you don't suppose those stupid things "evolve"? I don't even want to think about that one. So, if Gravemind (Deadhead) "was" able to teleport to any halo ring anywhere, then does that mean Earth is a place within the ring system that Gravemind could teleport Cortana (and himself?) to? But just another thing. In Halo 2, the sequence of events was that the Prophets had already taken off for Earth "before" they knew that the Grunts had failed to activate the ring. Why? Why did they bother leaving? Just in case the Grunts failed? Master Chief was actually with them, whether they knew it or not. If the Grunts had succeeded, everything, including the Prophets, would be dead. Did the Prophets find out about Earth from "Captain Keys"? Is the reason Master Chief was so casual in approaching the crater because he was already aware of something, the Covenant too were aware? Were they on the same side, allies? I mean, the Prophets, from the Sparks, would have to know now what the rings are actually for, to kill Flood. There is no great journey to take, just don't let the stupid Flood out of their cages. Is there a way to activate the rings without killing anything "but" the Flood? I hope so. So what's the point? If the Flood have escaped, you would have to activate the rings to stop them. The Prophets and the Covenant would know this. That's what the rings are for. Maybe this "is" the last Halo. The ultimate sacrifice. Remember Gravemind wanted to "touch" Cortana, she prevented him with a wave of her hand. It was as though Gravemind wanted to "upload" her, link with her program in the same way she links with the Master Chief. Is Gravemind linked with the ring's computer? Did Earth know about the rings all along? Where the Covenant, the Prophets, looking for the rings all along, before they came into contact with the humans and they didn't want the humans to find out? Is that the real reason they destroyed Reach, the humans were too close? Didn't Cortana say at the start of the first Halo that after they made the "blind" jump that "the Covenant were waiting for us". The Covenant traveled to a point is space before the Pillar of Autumn got there "doing a supposedly blind jump"? The Covenant were travelling to the ring, the same point in space Captain Keys asked Cortana to fly the Pillar of Autumn to. Coincidence or intentional? Was Cortana aware all along? When we were on the first Halo, did you, like me, get the distinct feeling that Captain Keys had a hidden agenda, like he knew something, wanted something? He sounded suspicious when he seemed awfully eager to learn whether or not MC and Cortana had gotten inside yet. And what did the Captain mean he might be unable to be contacted by Cortana, how did he know he would be out of communications range, unless he intentionally turned his radio off so he couldn't be contacted? Cortana had no trouble talking to the Marines on the surface when she asked if they could take cover inside the structure. The Captain was captured, rescued, then captured 'again'. When the Chief removed the Captains cyber link after the Captain was found dead (linked with Gravemind?) what information exactly was contained in Captain Keys' cyber link the Master Chief put in his head? Did Earth learn anything? How did Master Chief know that he was going finish the war now that he had returned to Earth? He couldn't possibly have known anything at that point. Cortana was just then meeting Gravemind. Or am I just reading too much into it. You know what, in the first Halo, I don't think the Covenant just "happened" to let the Flood escape, I think the Flood were let loose on purpose. Did the humanoid Brutes betray the Prophets? I forget now. Are the Covenant and Prophets actually on Earth to "stop" the activation of the Halos? Is that why Master Chief is so calm? The Covenant didn't seem to be fighting Earth anymore in the trailer. Every Covenant vessel on Earth seemed to be gathered at that one spot. A truce?
This Grunt incident you describe never happened.

  • 06.15.2006 6:32 AM PDT

Facts are the enemy of tru7h....

Thats a lot of question!!! Nice to see you're taking an interest. i'll do my best to answer as many of them as i can.... here goes...

The Halo system has been activated once in the past, about 100,000 years before the events in Halo 1. We don't know if the Gravemind was 'alive' at the last activation... although it is possible that it was made of the bodies of the forerunner who died during that activation. As far as i know the Gravemind can only use the teleportation grid of the halo it is on (whether it does this directly or by via a Monitor is unknown). Yes it had captured 2401 Penitent Tangent.

Yes, once the Gravemind has consumed someone it knows what they know (unless the victim has an exceedingly strong mind, even then they cannot withhold everything, Keyes only withheld the information about the location of earth).

The monitors probably told the Covenant everything the Covenant asked about the Halos. Which is to say, how to activate it. That is probably all that was asked. The covenant have already made up their own minds as to what the Halo system does. But they probably know it destroys all sentient life in the galaxy (But they believe that the worthy will become gods). As for the Monitors communicating? they probably can in extreme situations but apart from that they probably don't need to.

No the PoA did not make a blind jump to Alpha Halo. In the books The Master Chief finds a Forerunner artefact on Reach. Within this artefact are symbols which Cortana discovers are co-ordinates. When she was supposed to make a blind jump (under the Cole protocol) She uses the co-ordinates found in the Artefact.

Keyes was determined to land the PoA on Halo in the hope it could be repaired and they could escape or, failing that, they could use it as a base of operations. He hand no intention of destroying it. That was Cortana's idea when she had run out of other options to stop halo from firing.

Tarturus (the brute) needed the Monitor (Guilty Spark) to make sure they knew the right process to activate the ring properly. As far as we know only Humans are Reclaimers and can activate the rings. The monitors are not allowed to activate the rings. This may just be a matter of protocol. But it is more likely that a physical Reclaimer presence is needed to activate the rings. Guilty Spark tool the index in Halo 1 for protection as he could not be consumed by any of the food forms on Alpha Halo.

The monitors job is to ensure that the Halo systems are kept in good condition so that if they need to be activated they will without any flaws. If not humans are around i presume the monitors can activate the rings, it would count as the extreme measure i mentioned about earlier....though that's speculation.

I doubt the Flood evolve in the way you are thinking of. But they do gain more and different genetic material based on what they consume. So like the Alien in Aliens is specific to the species it infects the Flood might gain attributes depending on what host the consume. Again, speculation.

Regret jumped the gun in attacking earth and when he realised that he didn't have a big enough force he slipspaced to Delta halo. At that time the other prophets hadn't arrived at Delta Halo to activate the Rings. In the books the prophets found Earth by attaching a tracking device to a ship that was jumping back to earth.

Humans did not know about the rings (There is speculation that they did, but it's unconfirmed). The Covenant have been looking for the rings before the met humanity. They met humans while trying to find artefacts that would lead them to the rings. They destroyed reach so they could get the Crystal that the humans had already found.

The information in Keyes neural implants was the codes needed to overload the reactor.

The Chief didn't actually know that he was going to earth when he entered the Forerunner ship at the end of Halo 2. He was simply following Truth to kill/capture him. So when he says finish this fight, he's referring to getting to Truth. Its only when he hears radio chatter on his Com system that he realises he's on Earth. The chief is always calm. It's been breed into him.

The Covenant let the Flood lose by accident. But they don't care about destroying them because they're soon going to be starting the Great Journey. so it's not their problem. The Covenant are going to earth to the to the artefact we saw in the trailer so they can start the great journey.The brutes have not betrayed the prophets, yet! At the time of the Trailer the earth is under covenant controll

Can't really answer the questions about halo 3 as it would be purely speculation. But i hope i've answered a few of them

-Stu

  • 06.15.2006 7:02 AM PDT
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i think that the only prophet who really knows what the rings do is Truth, off topic for a sec why in the beginning of gravemind the level the scene where the prophet of Truth is talking into the object he says "Truth this is a time to rejoiced for the sacred icon has been found"?????

  • 06.15.2006 7:04 AM PDT

Facts are the enemy of tru7h....

The prophet who is talking is Mercy. The Sacred icon is the Index which is needed to activate the Halos. They are rejoicing because they are almost ready to activate the halos and begin the Great journey.

-Stu

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Posted by: HALOBERON2000
Are the Covenant and Prophets actually on Earth to "stop" the activation of the Halos? Is that why Master Chief is so calm? The Covenant didn't seem to be fighting Earth anymore in the trailer. Every Covenant vessel on Earth seemed to be gathered at that one spot. A truce?


In case you didn't know the crash caused the Master Chief to lose his memory of Halo, his job, who he is, why he's here.....

The Covenant aren't fighting Earth anymore, since they've activated Halo. And did you see the end of the trailer? The explosion? Neither Covenant or Humans win, they both die in the process.

  • 06.15.2006 7:24 AM PDT