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In this "pre-xbox" version of Halo the caption says: Chief and early Forerunner architecture.

Notice the stained glass windows... Like a church?
Notice the walls round avatars... Like in an English church wall?
Look at the ceiling... Just like the cieling at Winchester cathidral!

Do you see any of the Covinent with designs like that. No.
But human (Pre 1700) buildings do.
There are also many, many other things that link humans
to forerunners; even in the books.

  • 06.15.2006 9:12 AM PDT
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Do you see any of the Covinent with designs like that. No.
Actually you do. In First Strike, the Covenant church has stained glass windows.

Also, I doubt humans are Forerunners because GS only mentions Reclaimers. He never mentions the survival of the Forerunners. That part is important, because he was very vocal on how glad he was the flood survived and never mentioned the fate of the Forerunners. Also, he states in H2 all sentient life in the galaxy died. 2401 Penitent Tangent, when he finds the MC, is quite happy to see a "Reclaimer." Not a Forerunner.


Guilty Spark: "After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life in three radii of the galactic center, died ...as planned."
Gravemind: "Your Prophets have promised you freedom from a doomed existence, but you will find no salvation on this ring. Those who built this place knew what they wrought; do not mistake their intent or all will perish as they did before."
Guilty Spark: "More or less. Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?"
Everybody insists the Forerunners are dead. In front of human beings, they deny the survival of the Forerunners.

  • 06.15.2006 9:57 AM PDT

Halo's a hell of a drug.

pretty good.

  • 06.15.2006 10:02 AM PDT

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Actually, humans are probably NOT the Forerunners. Gravemind said they all perished. ALL meaning every single one.
Guilty Spark did not say that humans are Forerunners. He did however say, that they all died.
My opinion...They all died!

Woops...someone beat me too it...^^

[Edited on 6/15/2006]

  • 06.15.2006 10:04 AM PDT
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Duh. They're linked somehow. Reclaimers-forerunners and stuff.

But there is NO shred of proof out there yet that we are Forerunners. I don't believe we are. You can't say you have proof because that would mean you had inside info from bungie, which would get you banned.

  • 06.15.2006 10:05 AM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

pre-xbox, meaning before the final cut of the game, meaning not all the "results were in yet" in a pre-xbox trailer of halo elites had a noodle-like head, does that mean that there is another breed of elites? no, it simply means that when they made the final cut they made some changes, like many developers do.

no one theory that i have ever seen in regards to this matter has ever held any weight. there is never any conclusive proof, only speculation. are they humans, are they not? who knows, we'll find out in halo 3.

  • 06.15.2006 10:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Retarded Moose
It's pretty much a given humans are Forerunners. Guilty Spark already gave it away in Halo 1.


actually, no he never gave that away. He mistook MC for a reclaimer. We have no reason to believe that they are the same thing.

im not completely convinced yet.

  • 06.15.2006 10:41 AM PDT

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Humans are NOT the Forerunner. Its not physically possible. Assuming human history in the Halo universe is consistant with real human history, its not possible.

And this is NOT proof of anything.

  • 06.15.2006 10:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: GruntBuster
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In this "pre-xbox" version of Halo the caption says: Chief and early Forerunner architecture.

Notice the stained glass windows... Like a church?
Notice the walls round avatars... Like in an English church wall?
Look at the ceiling... Just like the cieling at Winchester cathidral!

Do you see any of the Covinent with designs like that. No.
But human (Pre 1700) buildings do.
There are also many, many other things that link humans
to forerunners; even in the books.


It just makes sense that things in the Halo universe is similar to real human things because Halo was invented by the guys at Bungie and after all, despite all the things they have accomplished (like Halo & Halo 2), those guys are still only human...

  • 06.15.2006 11:02 AM PDT
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yo all. there IS proof that humans are 4runners (or at least derived from)

in H1 when you first meet GS, he says (roughly quote) "I'm glad to see that some of you survived to reproduce......." also "Fascinating........all OUR lost time......human history, is it?"

tho the second is a little harder to comprehend, the first quote should pretty much give it away.

  • 06.15.2006 11:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Admiral Slash
Actually, humans are probably NOT the Forerunners. Gravemind said they all perished. ALL meaning every single one.
Guilty Spark did not say that humans are Forerunners. He did however say, that they all died.
My opinion...They all died!

Woops...someone beat me too it...^^


some of 'em survived.read the bible. "the flood" comes. people (forerunners save themself in noah's arc ("the ark"). and the ark is earth. so forerunners survived on earth. everyone knows earth is the ark. thats why covies in h2 don't know humans are on earth. they came for other reasons

  • 06.16.2006 8:03 AM PDT

When 343 says to Master Chief "I'm glad to see that some of them survived to reproduce..." was he talking about the Flood, or Forerunners?

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Posted by: Wuyie
First thing is first. Everyone keeps saying how humans cant be Forerunners because 343 calls them reclaimers. The word Forerunner is a name that the Convie gave the race not 343. Forerunner merely means coming before anyone or anything else. Its a description. Secondly i dont think humans are forerunners. Not technically. The Chief is the first Forerunner. IF u think he is human than fine. How is it possible that the Chief is a Forerunner? A time anomaly. The Ark has a slipspace engine. It says it took the on a great journey. Then they disappeared. This wold be consistent with a slipspace jump gone wrong, perhaps with interference from the firing of the Rings. The Chief would be trapped a 100,000 years in the past with a wealth of technology. A colony could form from this. One that would be able to evolve 100,000 forward from the tech they brought with them

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thats going a bit deep dont you think?

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Allright. Please, please, listen. 343 GS was talking about the flood. You can look up the transcripts. In the sentence he says the rings were built to contain and study the Flood. He also says he is happy to see the Flood has not been wiped out and some of them managed to reproduce. He is talking about the Flood. Don't believe me, play the Library in H1.

  • 06.16.2006 8:22 AM PDT
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I think the "forerunners" were like the Covinent;
I the theory that they were a mix of races and Humans
were the workers (like the buggers building ships.)
Since the ceilings in the Libary are like 50ft tall
mabey the master race (Prophets) were tall like
the tripods in Half-Life 2.
Of course I say this with no proof. <|=P

PS. So what if it is the Mac/Windows stages,
bungie probley had some of the story still mapped
out. Like the flood...

  • 06.16.2006 8:33 AM PDT
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the humans aren't the forerunners
dont you people get it

they are the RECLAIMERS
as said by the monitor in Halo CE

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^ Why does Guilty Spark know Chief as a reclaimer.
He has not seen any other life for 101,000 years.
He even said to Chief in the Libary level:
"It apears you are only on level 5 when you were on level 15."
or somethink like that....

  • 06.16.2006 8:48 AM PDT
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Reclaimer=Forrunner Military Person

GET SOME!!!

  • 06.16.2006 9:19 AM PDT

<\ But this winter won't last, darlin'.
>> * Not forever
>>(.....\\ . >And when new hands
>>set to tending this earth they'll till my pieces under.
> > Grind them into the veins of gold I've laid.
<\ Then the roots of all they plant will >wind around us--- <\ KEEPING
<\ US
<\ CLOSE---
\
<\ For an eternal summer that will not fade.

Posted by: GruntBuster
^ Why does Guilty Spark know Chief as a reclaimer.
He has not seen any other life for 101,000 years.
He even said to Chief in the Libary level:
"It apears you are only on level 5 when you were on level 15."
or somethink like that....


First of all, he says he should update to at least a level 12 combat skin. His current suit only scans as a class 2.

Which brings me to my next point.
The Covenant found Forerunner items, "Holy Items". Such as, a Jackal shield.
The humans collected some of these items and fashioned them into their own energy shields and used it to put on the Spartan II's suits.
Basically, the Master Chief was walking around wearing Forerunner technology.

  • 06.16.2006 9:26 AM PDT

Procrastination never ends...

If humans were the Forerunners, it would be good marketing for Bungie. Tons of people would buy a rubber wristband with FORERUNNER on it if the Forerunners were in fact human. No doubt T-shirts and such would sell well also.

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Posted by: Baratos
[QUOTE]I doubt humans are Forerunners because GS only mentions Reclaimers.


But what is a Reclaimer... obviously we know a reclaimer is a human (from the game)... My point is that the very definition of reclaim is "to demand or obtain the return of". You cant obtain the return of somjething that you didnt already have at one time. So it seems to me that some of the humans or human genes or something survived the halos, in the ark perhaps and are now advanced enough to begin to Reclaim what they had before as the forerunners. Also, I'm sure it has been said before but... in the original Halo when all the covies were speaking alien tongues the monitor spoke English.

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