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Subject: The Community That's Never Satisfied

@spaboolly

The invariable mark of wisdom is to see the miraculous in the common. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

I've been lurking around the community long enough now, quietly observing from the shadows of this lovely gathering place for fans of our Bungie overlords, to notice the contradictory opinions of some of its members.

Let me ask you one question: "Is it logical to complain about small showers during a drought?"

Why do people in the community complain about repetitive or unproductive threads in the forum during a slow time? And then complain about the lack of activity? A thread being repeated doesn't diminish its value for discussion. But I'd say that people responding with a condescending "Oh, this thread again?" post does. And it doesn't do much for the overall environment in the forum either.

If people don't want to post in a thread they consider dull, or repetitive, or inane, there's nothing compelling them to do so.

  • 07.21.2012 12:38 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten

I find it amusing

  • 07.21.2012 12:38 PM PDT

Thats Right I Was Banned For Watching The Webcams Too Much!Combat Arms - X647"He who'd walk a mile just to hold an empty hand, knows what it means to be a wealthy man."
Skin This Place Alive...

Should I say it before a bungie employee........yeah..


Never satisfied...like your mom!


No offense. Friends?
But seriously, I'm in agreement.

[Edited on 07.21.2012 12:43 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2012 12:41 PM PDT

I too have been lurking a lot for the last few weeks. One example of the disatisifed communtiy is that everyone moans that its quiet.. that there are hardley any threads and when people do make them, members always moan 'stop with the repeat threads' (not pointing to anyone just the subject). Members should know better and get over it.

If its a repeat thread and you cba to do anything then just ignore it and don't reply.

  • 07.21.2012 12:43 PM PDT

@spaboolly


Posted by: PKF_647
Should I say it before a bungie employee........yeah..


Never satisfied...like your mom!


No offense. Friends?

I highly doubt a Bungie employee would bother to post in this thread.

  • 07.21.2012 12:43 PM PDT

Posted by: MsCadetUNIVERSE

Posted by: PKF_647
Should I say it before a bungie employee........yeah..


Never satisfied...like your mom!


No offense. Friends?

I highly doubt a Bungie employee would bother to post in this thread.
Foman may pop in though, his ears pricked up as soon as he heard the word 'mom'.

  • 07.21.2012 12:44 PM PDT

I love Emerson.
Posted by: MsCadetUNIVERSE
Let me ask you one question: "Is
In a literal sense since a person's very life could depend on those small showers? Yes, with the complaint that there isn't more so people could live comfortably instead of having to struggle to survive.

Why do people in the community complain about repetitive or unproductive threads in the forum during a slow time?Because they are annoying to see over and over again.

And then complain about the lack of activity?I have yet to see complaints about such a thing.
A thread being repeated doesn't diminish its value for discussion.No. A thread being repeated DOES diminish its value for discussion. Because when everything about that topic that is possible to say has already been said dozens of times, those of us that have been here for ages don't feel like posting the exact same posts again and again every time the thread comes up. It isn't fun. It isn't entertaining- which is why we're here. It's just an annoyance having to sift through the same threads we've seen hundreds of times (in some cases literally!).

If people don't want to post in a thread they consider dull, or repetitive, or inane, there's nothing compelling them to do so. ... You're missing the point I'm afraid. It isn't because anybody is 'compelled' to post in the lame, boring, or otherwise repetitive threads. It's the fact that we have to see them over and over. It is unavoidable. It is not a matter of 'oh just ignore them.' We do, often enough. But you can't just 'not see' something. That's silly. And the fact that we have to see it so often makes things tedious and boring.

  • 07.21.2012 12:44 PM PDT

It doesn't seem to be the same people that complain about the lack of activity as the ones that complain about the same threads being posted over and over, to be honest.

Some of the "usual" threads have potential discussion value, but threads like "what is your join date?" don't offer any discussion value at all.

[Edited on 07.21.2012 12:49 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2012 12:48 PM PDT

@spaboolly

You don't have to see them, Burrito. If the discussions in the community forum no longer appeal to you, there is nothing forcing you to come in here. There's also nothing forcing you to read those threads. Or post in them.

I realize it can get stale to see the same discussions over and over, but maybe that means you should either take a break or try to address the problem by coming up with new subjects for discussion. That's more productive than complaining.

  • 07.21.2012 12:48 PM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.

Posted by: MsCadetUNIVERSE
Why do people in the community complain about repetitive or unproductive threads in the forum during a slow time?
'Slow time' is irrelevant to the fact that repetitive content tends to drive people who have been here for years into a frenzy. It only makes sense that people would feel this way after so long.

  • 07.21.2012 12:50 PM PDT

Posted by: MsCadetUNIVERSE
You don't have to see them, Burrito. If the discussions in the community forum no longer appeal to you, there is nothing forcing you to come in here. There's also nothing forcing you to read those threads. Or post in them.
"If you don't like it, leave." ... No. Those of us that were here years longer than you shouldn't have to leave just because we've already had the same discussions you're having now dozens of not hundreds of times. That's absolutely ridiculous to even suggest.



try to address the problem by coming up with new subjects for discussion. That's more productive than complaining.Complaining encourages people to NOT make crap threads like 'Who is your favorite moderator,' or 'Are you famous?!' Thus we better the forum for the future by weeding out the people that are turning the forum into a boring, stale mess.

  • 07.21.2012 12:52 PM PDT

"I'm uncomfortable."
-True Underdog
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A little bit of sausage, a little bit of hot sauce, a whole lot of awesome. Have a question? Ask me!
Chapter

I agree, people here complain way too much about things. Bungie is in the dark, there isn't much to discuss right now.

  • 07.21.2012 12:53 PM PDT

He's right on top of us! I wonder if he is using the same wind we are using...

Ockeghem
Missa Prolationum

OMG this thread again?!?

But seriously, we should all take more showers. No one likes a smelly nerd.

And OT, I dont really care if people repeat topics, or get mad about repeat topics. We are all hear to keep community, kill time, and have fun, right? I would think that's the same in the dark between games, and in the bright shiny lights of game release day.

I do think its helpful when people who have active around link similar-contented topics together to help discussion along.

[Edited on 07.21.2012 12:54 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2012 12:53 PM PDT

Posted by: burritosenior
I love Emerson.
Posted by: MsCadetUNIVERSE
Let me ask you one question: "Is
In a literal sense since a person's very life could depend on those small showers? Yes, with the complaint that there isn't more so people could live comfortably instead of having to struggle to survive.


Why do people in the community complain about repetitive or unproductive threads in the forum during a slow time?Because they are annoying to see over and over again.But this happens on every website that i've been on. It's the internet.. everything is repeated. Just because you've seen it, it doesn't mean that everyone else has.

And then complain about the lack of activity?I have yet to see complaints about such a thing.Oh come on, there has been the odd 'god it's boring' posts here and there.

A thread being repeated doesn't diminish its value for discussion.No. A thread being repeated DOES diminish its value for discussion. Because when everything about that topic that is possible to say has already been said dozens of times, those of us that have been here for ages don't feel like posting the exact same posts again and again every time the thread comes up. It isn't fun. It isn't entertaining- which is why we're here. It's just an annoyance having to sift through the same threads we've seen hundreds of times (in some cases literally!).New members sign up everyday, they may have ideas that other poeple may never have thought of.

If people don't want to post in a thread they consider dull, or repetitive, or inane, there's nothing compelling them to do so. ... You're missing the point I'm afraid. It isn't because anybody is 'compelled' to post in the lame, boring, or otherwise repetitive threads. It's the fact that we have to see them over and over. It is unavoidable. It is not a matter of 'oh just ignore them.' We do, often enough. But you can't just 'not see' something. That's silly. And the fact that we have to see it so often makes things tedious and boring.I can ignore them and/or reply with an opinion/suggestion.

  • 07.21.2012 12:54 PM PDT

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I no longer frequent the Flood, mostly because when I decided to rejoin, this appeared.

  • 07.21.2012 12:55 PM PDT

Posted by: ARBITOR 5
But this happens on every website that i've been on. It's the internet.. everything is repeated. Just because you've seen it, it doesn't mean that everyone else has.
Which is why they keep popping up. That doesn't improve the quality of those discussions when the majority of people viewing the thread have already posted the exact same thing dozens of times.



Oh come on, there has been the odd 'god it's boring' posts here and there.Comments, not threads. Because it IS boring here. But we don't go around making dozens of threads about it.

New members sign up everyday, they may have ideas that other poeple may never have thought of.If they have new ideas, it would make the thread different. So it wouldn't be a repeat. Then there's no problem. So... irrelevant.

I can ignore them and/or reply with an opinion/suggestion.I also can ignore them and/or reply with the suggestion that they not make such low quality threads in the future. I agree.

  • 07.21.2012 12:57 PM PDT

It's actually an intelligent thread on the topic of complainers. I love it! <3

  • 07.21.2012 1:06 PM PDT

Posted by: burritosenior
Posted by: ARBITOR 5
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All I can say is that i'm happy with how the communtiy is.. sure people moan about everything, be that the titles, ninjas, news articles, bungies games ect. After a few years i'm used to it. If older members like mythics/elders ect winge lots then its just going to sink in to the newbies and they'll be doing the same. Elders should be like OAPs, they should set an exmaple.. but don't always do that.

Lets take a look at the forum right now. Almost all the threads are repeats.. most people can get a grip and move on. Can't we do that? This place would have so much more love!

<3

  • 07.21.2012 1:10 PM PDT

@trueunderdog

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Posted by: burritosenior


It's not so much a, "if you don't like it, then leave," than, "if you've got nothing nice to say, shut your mouth." If someone posts something that follows the rules, then it's fine. How long you've been here is irrelevant. Using the time in which you joined as an epeen is poor form, too.

Besides, piling on a thread complaining about how a topic has been done over and over just keeps it at the top of the board, something I'm sure our long-time, upstanding members are aware of.

Everyone just needs to play nice. :)

[Edited on 07.21.2012 1:13 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2012 1:12 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

I complain about lack of creativity. I complain about idiotic threads. I may even let someone know if a particular topic has been touched on several times (mainly if most recently).

But I have never once complained about the lack of activity. That would be counter-productive.

  • 07.21.2012 1:18 PM PDT


Posted by: True Underdog
It's not so much a, "if you don't like it, then leave," than, "if you've got nothing nice to say, shut your mouth."

It's not like I go around saying 'your thread is bad and you should feel bad.' But mentioning in a thread how something has been here time and time again? I don't really see a downside. I don't want to see the same popularity contests again and again and such things. So if someone mentions how repetitive or silly a thread is? If it encourages that thread maker to cease posting silly threads like that, then good on them I'd say.

If someone posts something that follows the rules, then it's fine.Oh I'm not questioning that it's allowed or not. And if we had enough new people here, like in the Flood, the discussions could stay fresh. But... we don't. We have new people trickle in, like the thread maker in this thread, but a lot of us know older people. You know me. I know you. We've been here a while. We've said all we can say on certain topics and, without new people to stimulate new discussion, there's really nothing good about having those threads appear again.

How long you've been here is irrelevant. Using the time in which you joined as an epeen is poor form, too. You know darned well I'm just joking about all that in my posts. Please don't make me break character again. I don't like it.
>.<

Besides, piling on a thread complaining about how a topic has been done over and over just keeps it at the top of the board, something I'm sure our long-time, upstanding members are aware of, I'm sure. To be honest, I consider this thread not repetitive because I've never actually had older members disagree with the claim that the lame threads are quite lame.
:P

  • 07.21.2012 1:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: True Underdog
It's not so much a, "if you don't like it, then leave," than, "if you've got nothing nice to say, shut your mouth." If someone posts something that follows the rules, then it's fine. How long you've been here is irrelevant. Using the time in which you joined as an epeen is poor form, too.
Hey, i think my Epeen is pretty good looking :\

Oh whatever, Nobody asked you anyways!!!!

  • 07.21.2012 1:22 PM PDT

@spaboolly

Lame threads are lame. "Older" members or otherwise, no one is disputing whether threads are lame or not. Repetitive threads are repetitive but that doesn't necessarily make them unworthy of being on these forums. It's all a matter of opinion, and opinions don't really give you the right to harangue people into not making threads.

  • 07.21.2012 1:27 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...


Posted by: MsCadetUNIVERSE
Lame threads are lame. "Older" members or otherwise, no one is disputing whether threads are lame or not. Repetitive threads are repetitive but that doesn't necessarily make them unworthy of being on these forums. It's all a matter of opinion, and opinions don't really give you the right to harangue people into not making threads.


I don't think it was a matter of anyone marching around under the impression that they possess a right to argue the existence of content.

You said it yourself, it's a matter of opinion. So if someone's opinion is to say "This thread bores me", that's their prerogative. And if people doing that bugs you, you complaining is fine, but is as big of a waste of breath as it is to complain about repetitive or stupid threads.

[Edited on 07.21.2012 1:38 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2012 1:36 PM PDT

When I grow up I want to be bitter and spiteful.

"i liked the reality where everything was on fire better"
-legato on remedial chaos theory

Virtually everything that's discussed has been discussed and will be discussed again. It is very rare to see a new idea on these forums, and many users do not recognize that when they first discussed something, many participating in the discussion likely already had before.

This forum is practically sustained by axioms and hypocrisy; its arguments rife with fallacy masked with concepts of improvement and alleged betterment. Pointing out these problems does not accomplish anything. Any community built on fallacious logic will unwilling to yield to reason. Even blatant mockery and humiliation does not drive change.

Yes, this forum dislikes repeat discussions and falsely believes that something should be invalidated or scapegoated as spam because it has been talked about before. Most will never admit to the hypocrisy of it, and those that will shall do it simply to direct argument away from such a deciding fact. To change the Community Forum would require a change in discussion. To bite at statements that are unqualified or fallacious is not enough, for insult accomplishes little. Insult must be followed by argument, as idiotic users must be hounded.



[Edited on 07.21.2012 1:47 PM PDT]

  • 07.21.2012 1:47 PM PDT

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