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Subject: Should New Members Have To Wait Longer.....

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...to post/make threads?

Currently, when a new account is made, the Member must wait 1 day to make threads. However, they can post in threads from the start.

Would it be more beneficial if we delayed that a bit? Maybe make it so you have to wait 3 days to make a thread and 1 day to reply to threads. This could help with two things: making it a bit harder for trolls to make alts, and to ensure that the new member reads the rules.

Adding on to the "reads the rules" theme, I think it would also be beneficial if new members automatically got a message from the Disembodied Soul linking them to the Forum Rules and encouraging them to read it.

What do you think?

-hoobla-

  • 07.22.2012 4:54 PM PDT

I think it might be beneficial. Such as an alt being created. Of course, that account will be permabanned (if creating because of another account being banned), then I agree there would be a need for a 3 or 7 day delay.

[Edited on 07.22.2012 5:04 PM PDT]

  • 07.22.2012 4:59 PM PDT

What if the user makes an account because they have an issue and are wanting help? They would have to wait 3 days to get that help?

  • 07.22.2012 4:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: talon2000
What if the user makes an account because they have an issue and are wanting help? They would have to wait 3 days to get that help?
This issue occurred to me as well.

I'm sure the help could wait at least 3 days. Also, if it was really an extreme emergency, the user could always Private Message some Ninjas or maybe even an Employee.

  • 07.22.2012 5:01 PM PDT

Nah. It's a good base idea, but I don't think it's really what will solve any issues. We need something else to prevent new accounts. I just can't for the life of me think of what. I have no contributions.
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  • 07.22.2012 5:04 PM PDT

If they're new how are they supposed to find ninjas and employee accounts? They can't make threads asking or eve reply to threads. This is a bad idea.
Posted by: HOOBLA 911
This issue occurred to me as well.

I'm sure the help could wait at least 3 days. Also, if it was really an extreme emergency, the user could always Private Message some Ninjas or maybe even an Employee.

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I think that a 3 day delay will just make trolls stock up on accounts on 1 day and unleash them all on the same day.

But that's just, like, my opinion, man!

  • 07.22.2012 5:07 PM PDT

Posted by: HOOBLA 911
Posted by: talon2000
What if the user makes an account because they have an issue and are wanting help? They would have to wait 3 days to get that help?
This issue occurred to me as well.

I'm sure the help could wait at least 3 days. Also, if it was really an extreme emergency, the user could always Private Message some Ninjas or maybe even an Employee.
3 days is a long time when you might be waiting on help to continue playing the game. Most new people would go straight to making a thread before they even think about PMing someone.
I also don't see how it will "ensure" that the new people will read the rules... and as for trolls; I don't think three days is that much of a deterrent.

  • 07.22.2012 5:07 PM PDT

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If I went to a forum, I would make an account to post. If I had to have my maturity assumed of me and was told to wait before I was trusted enough to post, I wouldn't use that forum.

  • 07.22.2012 5:11 PM PDT

I hope you're not implying the only way to troll is to create threads.
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I don't think three days is that much of a deterrent.

  • 07.22.2012 5:11 PM PDT
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The delays wouldn't hinder trolls very much, and make Bungie.net colder for new members.

  • 07.22.2012 5:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

1. Tie user accounts to their cell phone number, make them validate it by inputting a code sent by text message, and allow only one account per phone number.

2. Prohibit new accounts from posting in the Flood Forum -- new threads OR within thread -- for at least 30 days.

If the site did these two things, 95% of spam and chronic rulebreaking would be eliminated.

  • 07.22.2012 5:16 PM PDT

Posted by: All of humanity
I hope you're not implying the only way to troll is to create threads.
Posted by: talon2000
I don't think three days is that much of a deterrent.
I'm not implying that only way to troll is to create a thread. I'm merely addressing the OP's suggestion.

  • 07.22.2012 5:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Izak609
make Bungie.net colder for new members.


This. I first came onto B.net to rage about the time-out timer in reach matchmaking because I have been betrayal booted when none of those betrayals were intentional. If I hadn't been allowed to post then I'd have flopped it.

  • 07.22.2012 5:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Would there be the concern that those who don't have cell phones can't post? That mandates the need to purchase a phone, and I would say B.net has done a great job of making itself free.


I do agree with the second idea, that needs to be implemented immediately.

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
1. Tie user accounts to their cell phone number, make them validate it by inputting a code sent by text message, and allow only one account per phone number.
That was one of the ideas I had a while ago minus the text verification. The only drawback is that not everyone has a cellphone.

  • 07.22.2012 5:20 PM PDT

Posted by: x Foman123 x
1. Tie user accounts to their cell phone number, make them validate it by inputting a code sent by text message, and allow only one account per phone number.

2. Prohibit new accounts from posting in the Flood Forum -- new threads OR within thread -- for at least 30 days.

If the site did these two things, 95% of spam and chronic rulebreaking would be eliminated.
Some sites have a recognized computer thing right? What if your computer was registered with the site and any attempts to create multiple accounts were blocked because Bungie.net has a number of sorts recorded already...they'd have to buy a whole new machine....

Tis stupid, I know.

[Edited on 07.22.2012 5:22 PM PDT]

  • 07.22.2012 5:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Agrajag
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Would there be the concern that those who don't have cell phones can't post? That mandates the need to purchase a phone, and I would say B.net has done a great job of making itself free.
This is a concern in theory only. While theoretically, it is possible that a user of this site (i.e., an internet user and gamer) might not have access to a mobile phone, the reality is that 100% of this site's users own or have access to a cell phone. I have yet to run across one who can genuinely claim that he or she doesn't.

The "not everyone has a cell phone" argument is, IMO, a complete red herring and a bogus reason not to implement this.

[Edited on 07.22.2012 5:27 PM PDT]

  • 07.22.2012 5:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: HOOBLA 911
...to post/make threads?

Currently, when a new account is made, the Member must wait 1 day to make threads. However, they can post in threads from the start.

Would it be more beneficial if we delayed that a bit? Maybe make it so you have to wait 3 days to make a thread and 1 day to reply to threads. This could help with two things: making it a bit harder for trolls to make alts, and to ensure that the new member reads the rules.

Adding on to the "reads the rules" theme, I think it would also be beneficial if new members automatically got a message from the Disembodied Soul linking them to the Forum Rules and encouraging them to read it.

What do you think?

-hoobla-

I like the points I underlined in the quote. Those are very good ideas and I think it would be for the best to have new members or new accounts to wait longer for any type of posting so as to have them get better aquainted with the site and the rules.

Also I believe it should be more imperative to have a message sent to new accounts with a link to the rules page so they could peruse them, or maybe to have the message give an overall jist of the rules so the new users could understand what and what not to do.

I know this sounds like we are, essentially, coddling new accounts/users but with the way I have seen some of the users act, it makes this idea seem all the more reasonable to implement.

I, for one, agree to the points made.

EDIT: I also agree with FoMan's suggestions of lengthing the time to 30 days, which would guarantee that a user who wishes to be an actual part of this site would be active and rule abiding and not some spammer or anon type user.

We could also implement a new warning/banning system which would have a big message scrawl on a user's profile that they have been warned, blacklisted, banned, or perma-banned by a mod when they have broken the rules and the mod sent them the specific rule the user broke and the post which broke said rule.

It would crack down on 99.9% of the users who cry about not breaking any rules when they have a message saying otherwise.


[Edited on 07.22.2012 5:36 PM PDT]

  • 07.22.2012 5:27 PM PDT

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I think that new accounts should have to view X amount of threads before posting in them as well as view Y amount before making a new thread. With Y being greater than X by about 3X

While I don't think the Cell phone idea by Foman is good for making and replying to threads. It would work for that Ninja election idea that's going around.

[Edited on 07.22.2012 5:29 PM PDT]

  • 07.22.2012 5:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: Agrajag
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Would there be the concern that those who don't have cell phones can't post? That mandates the need to purchase a phone, and I would say B.net has done a great job of making itself free.
This is a concern in theory only. While theoretically, it is possible that a user of this site (i.e., an internet user and gamer) might not have access to a mobile phone, the reality is that 100% of this site's users own or have access to a cell phone. I have yet to run across one who can genuinely claim that he or she doesn't.

The "not everyone has a cell phone" argument is, IMO, a complete red herring and a bogus reason not to implement this.
Agreed, it was simply me playing devil's advocate, I quite honestly think that you have quite the foolproof method there, and I'm surprised it hasn't been implemented.

  • 07.22.2012 5:30 PM PDT

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Well played, sir.

I think with the new hawtness, we will be seeing something along these lines.
Posted by: x Foman123 x
1. Tie user accounts to their cell phone number, make them validate it by inputting a code sent by text message, and allow only one account per phone number.

2. Prohibit new accounts from posting in the Flood Forum -- new threads OR within thread -- for at least 30 days.

If the site did these two things, 95% of spam and chronic rulebreaking would be eliminated.


[Edited on 07.22.2012 5:34 PM PDT]

  • 07.22.2012 5:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
1. Tie user accounts to their cell phone number, make them validate it by inputting a code sent by text message, and allow only one account per phone number.

2. Prohibit new accounts from posting in the Flood Forum -- new threads OR within thread -- for at least 30 days.

If the site did these two things, 95% of spam and chronic rulebreaking would be eliminated.


Why has this not been done yet..? I like that idea.

  • 07.22.2012 5:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
The "not everyone has a cell phone" argument is, IMO, a complete red herring and a bogus reason not to implement this.
It may very well be a minute percentage of users that don't have a cell phone, but it is still users that you would be stopping from singing up to the site. To counter this, adding a Home-Phone/Landline number would cover everybody that doesn't have a cell phone. You add your cell phone and you get a text. You add your Home number and you get the code read by "Microsoft Sam".

I'm certain that that would cover every user on the site.

:-)

  • 07.22.2012 5:39 PM PDT

Subject: If you saw a meteor coming toward Earth, what would you do?Posted by: juniorbandit96
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Posted by: defnop552
Posted by: x Foman123 x
The "not everyone has a cell phone" argument is, IMO, a complete red herring and a bogus reason not to implement this.
It may very well be a minute percentage of users that don't have a cell phone, but it is still users that you would be stopping from singing up to the site. To counter this, adding a Home-Phone/Landline number would cover everybody that doesn't have a cell phone. You add your cell phone and you get a text. You add your Home number and you get the code read by "Microsoft Sam".

I'm certain that that would cover every user on the site.

:-)

Then you have people using two numbers and having an alt

  • 07.22.2012 5:40 PM PDT

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