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Posted by: PlasmaPistool
did u play halo one?
Libary Level 7

"This facillity was created to mainttain and research the floood"

"few Specimans were kept to be researched and studyed"

"Im glad that some survived to reproduce?."
Alspo in level six ur ion a research and develoment station. Why do u think it was so far underground. To store the Flood. But the Covenant found something, then they got scared of the flood but it was too late they alreday consumbed to many elits. Then if u also read Halo:The flood it gets into more det5ail that they live Underground in special containment facilities but they somehow got out.(when covvies released trhem cuz ther to god damn nosy)

Read books play game befor u start a forum.


Whoa man, easy on the flaming. If i don't play halo nor read the books i still can post on this forum(i did play & read).

Let me attack your logic one by one.(according to the order you attacked me)

-The facillity was built to maintain and research the flood. When I ask? It was when the forerunners were alive to "maintain and research" it not after they are dead. "Maintain" doesn't mean to keep the flood alive until the Convenant or Chief finds it. It means to keep it alive while they research it.

-Few of the flood was kept for study. Again, to study WHEN the forerunners were ALIVE.

-343 glad that it reproduced. That was an opinion, so i have nothing to attack about it. Although it is weird because GS worked for the forerunners. Why is he glad?

-HOW DOES BEING UNDERGROUND HELP THE FLOOD SURVIVE? The halos didn't directly kill the flood anyways, so why would it hide underground. THEORY:It was probably underground because if there was an outbreak, it be easy to contain (common sense). Even today military top secret bases are built underground. You're saying that if i stick YOU many many miles underground, you would live really long?

  • 06.15.2006 6:10 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunners are failures! The Halo(s) ARE USELESS! THE WORLD ENDS!

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

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Entirely off-topic, and completely WRONG, but funny nonetheless.

  • 06.15.2006 6:26 PM PDT
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...And so the hero crawled through the fissure on the surface of Tyr. There, the lone Dwarf stared into the cold, dark eyes of Soulblighter...The fiend hefted his blade over his shoulder as a flock of raven took upon his form...

-TBG-

Ya but wat if the forunners did not activate Halo but another race could have, just sayin.

  • 06.15.2006 6:46 PM PDT
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Well, the Forerunners had a fail safe protocal that didn't allow anyone but a Forerunner could activate the ring. That was to make sure that any new speices couldn't activate the Halos for example over zealous religious frantics trying to do mass suicide of all life in the galaxy.

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I get what you saying and I have to agree with you because the rings have been activated before as it says in one of the games. So obviously it worked by killing everyone, but they were wrong about being able to starve the flood.

I know the flood went into hibernation or whatever but how the hell long can they hibernate it was over what 100,000 years ago.

Also how would they have known you can starve them, they would have had to have locked one up without food and see if it dies. And since they can hibernate they would have had to watch it for what over the 100,000 years which I doubt they did.

My guess is that they assumed the flood could be starved, so they built the rings to kill everything to starve them. They then activated it and died, so the rings did work. But it turns out they were wrong and the flood cant starve.

In conclusion the rings worked but they were wrong about starving them.

  • 06.15.2006 7:32 PM PDT

Dawn of the Dead video Here
6 Minutes of Hell video here

I bet that given enough time, the flood infection forms remaining would have eventually died. What the forerunner weren't counting on, was stupid people releasing the contained flood. They kept some for research so that a cure could be possibly discovered. Who was doing the research? Ai constructs like the monitor. Why were they worried about it if everyone is dead? The forerunner knew that life would eventually re-evolve, and the threat of the flood would present itself again one day.

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HAHAHA .. you guys dont understand him???

I think what he meant is...

In level 8, 2 betrayal...343..said that halo had been activated once....If it was true...How come.....How come the flood is still there....if the rings was activated...it should have killed off the flood's food...so...The guy who started this topic...said Halo ARE USELESS

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Maybe the fact that it didn't work, is just another reason we need to fricken stop halo from being activated.

That, or people came back to nurish the flood before they all died out.

OR the Halo that was activated was in a completly different section than the Halo in CE.

Doiyee

  • 06.15.2006 8:30 PM PDT

"There are fighters and there are targets. There is nothing else."

ok i want to point out one thing noone here has noticed. this was posted to point out that the technology that drives the halos doesn't work.

fact: the halos killed All Sentient Life about 100,000 years ago.

fact: The halos were created to kill all sentient life.

fact: the flood reproduces via sentient life.

fact: all flood hosts eventually die. (read the books, they decay as they are walking around, bones liquifying, etc)

forerunner supposition: flood infection forms decay/die at a similiar rate.

fact: without combat forms the flood are a much reduced threat. (you could just drive around in a warthog and run em all over.)

conclusion: the halos by destroying all sentient life performed their intended purpose, they killed all sentient life, thats what they were built for. the tech works. it was the forerunners theory that the infection forms will eventually starve that proved false. they were greatly weakened, but managed to survive 100,000 years by lying dormant. if we had come to halo prepared to fight the flood (plasma grenades for example, and lots of shotguns) we could have easily persevered. But it was like an ambush of tanks by several dug in rpg troopers. if we had been prepared, had our frontal armor towards the enemy, the flood would have been easily quelled. but as it was, the covenant didnt know what they were doing, they released the flood. they provided it with its first combat forms. our side armor took the hits, and was penetrated.

further thoughts: for those of you who dont want to read all that, the short version is the halos worked. we see the proof of that because all sentient life was destroyed 100,000 years ago. the tech works.

besides, cortana got into installation 04s main computer. im sure it would have been logged somewhere that the forerunners huge dangerous creations Didn't Work!. and she would have told the chief (us).

thats a lot of typing, lol.

  • 06.15.2006 9:01 PM PDT
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"Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
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lets not and say we did

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Only the combat forms starve. The infectious forms live without food. It just kills everyone in the galaxy so the flood cant spread to other ones. So the flood will still continue to live forever. Just the infectious forms though.

  • 06.15.2006 9:05 PM PDT
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im too lazy to read the whole thread, but... the halos are to starve the flood by killing all sentient life (not the flood), rendering the flood useless

  • 06.15.2006 9:11 PM PDT
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If the flood infection forms would simply go dormant, wouldnt there be evidence of some other infection forms on other planets? These didnt just live on Halo in the research facilities. Since there are many habited planets shouldnt one of these planets either still contain an infection form, or evidence of some?

  • 06.15.2006 9:24 PM PDT

Posted by: SPARTAN IIIDELTA
EDIT, NOTE: PLEASE READ MY LOGIC(POINTS) CLEARLY, THEN ATTACK MY LOGIC.

If the halos were designed to kill the food of the flood and ULTIMATELY kill the flood and it worked in many simulations according to 343 guilty spark. Then the halos didn't do their job the first time the forerunners activated them. Proof you ask?

THE FLOOD IS STILL HERE and we are fighting them. I read some guy's "hot topic" post about how the world is going to END anyways and i kinda agree. If the HALOs didn't work back then, then why would it be any better now. I don't know HOW bungie will explain this in HALO 3.

CONCLUSION(EDIT),

THE FORERUNNERS BASICALLY DIED FOR NOTHING, IN OTHER WORDS "COMMITTED SUICIDE".

CAN ANYONE ACTUALLY PROVE ME WRONG AND SUPPORTED WITH REAL FACTS FROM BOOKS, GAMES....ETC. Not just like it all magically happened

Maybe the halos only delay the flood?


That's actually a pretty good logic, I never really realised that until now, maybe they a few of them survived and hibernated or some of their "food" survived and they fed off them?

  • 06.15.2006 9:24 PM PDT

"Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future."- John F. Kennedy

They folded out of the system immediately
after I received the message, without so
much as a "Thanks for saving us from
becoming plasma on Tau Ceti, Durandal".

The Halos may or may not have been activated in vain. There's quite a bit we dont know about the Flood and the Forerunners. How could the powerful Forerunners be so vunerable to the Flood? Why dont the Sentinels just kill the remaining Flood on the rings and be rid of them when there's no more food to support them. How long can a Flood survive without food?

On one hand activating the Halos did stop the Flood from consuming the galaxy during the first outbreak against the Forerunners. On the other though, its been a long time since the Flood were forced into "hibernation" and they are still alive and kicking when food comes around. Mabey given more time the Flood would have died out. This is the outcome that I like becasue them living on with no food seems kinda weak. We also know that the Flood weaken over time : In "The Flood" Private Jenkins still has limited control becasue of a hibernation reduced Infection Form. That shows me that they would die out eventually. Or mabey they were even kept in hibernation because of the Forerunner...They are contained on the rings and quotes form Guilty Spark seem to suggest that samples were being kept, he's happy to see them alive and reproducing, ect...Quite the mystery we have on our hands.

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the answer is right in front of ya:

halo houses flood forms that are in stasis (sleeP)

granted, halo DID do its job. it killed all sentients; the flood starved out (cept for gravemind) and the ones that were still in the installations survived b/c they were nappin.

now when the covie came along, they pretty much released them, and THAT is why they're still here

good thougts tho dude

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
the answer is right in front of ya:

halo houses flood forms that are in stasis (sleeP)

granted, halo DID do its job. it killed all sentients; the flood starved out (cept for gravemind) and the ones that were still in the installations survived b/c they were nappin.

now when the covie came along, they pretty much released them, and THAT is why they're still here

good thougts tho dude


OMG!! Can anyone actually support their ideas. Instead of saying that they all know that the Flood can HIBERNATE!!!! How can you guys know that they hibernate. Bungie never said that. FLOOD HIBERNATION IS JUST A THEORY NOT A FACT BECAUSE BUNGIE NEVER SAID SO. IF THEY DID PLS QUOUTE THEM IN YOUR POST TO HAVE MORE FACTS.

  • 06.16.2006 1:18 PM PDT
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also, in conversations from the universe, 343 Guilty Spark said that other things had landed on the rings. it's possible that they could have been eaten and comsumed by the flood. that would have kept them alive. but, i'm just giving some info. this hypothesis is probably not the case at all. or is it...

  • 06.16.2006 1:51 PM PDT
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The flood could live for eons. According to the books they where dying, but just so slowly that when Humans arrived they where still strong enough to infect and then strive.

  • 06.16.2006 1:58 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunners are failures! The Halo(s) ARE USELESS! THE WORLD ENDS!

Run DMC and Jam Master Jay

HALO kills the flood's food.
GET The PiCtUrE??

please turn of CAPS

  • 06.16.2006 1:59 PM PDT
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I guess the flood could have gathered suitable bodies as a food source. There is evidence they did this.

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First off everyone, except Mr. IIIDelta here, knows that the flood hibernate, but say they didn't, how would they have enough food for 100,000 years, they would need millions of bodies maybe billions. So i'm thinking they did not hibernate at first, I think that they had enough food to last maybe 5 or 6 thousand years and when they ran out of food they did like bears, they ate what they could then went into hibernation. I mean bears can hibernate for 3 months, why then, can't the flood do the same to survive. Also the firing of Halo was fairly successful, except for the fact that there was life on earth even 100,000 years before 2552, so why is there still life on Earth. The answer: the Ark. Now imagine being a forunner, having no choice but to destroy every sentient being, everyone you've ever know to keep the flood from spreading, every option spent. So what do you do, you make sure life goes on, but far enough from the Halos so that the chances of finding them, and the flood, are very remote. Also, if the rings killed all sentient life, then why are there Covenant? Don't doubt Bungie on this, I expect that they will explain all this in Halo 3. But wouldn't it be cool if Humans were the Forunner. The Covenant's lords, and their greatest enemy. That would make a good ending.

  • 06.16.2006 2:27 PM PDT
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i said this so long ago

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First off everyone, except Mr. IIIDelta here, knows that the flood hibernate, but say they didn't, how would they have enough food for 100,000 years, they would need millions of bodies maybe billions. So i'm thinking they did not hibernate at first, I think that they had enough food to last maybe 5 or 6 thousand years and when they ran out of food they did like bears, they ate what they could then went into hibernation. I mean bears can hibernate for 3 months, why then, can't the flood do the same to survive. Also the firing of Halo was fairly successful, except for the fact that there was life on earth even 100,000 years before 2552, so why is there still life on Earth. The answer: the Ark. Now imagine being a forunner, having no choice but to destroy every sentient being, everyone you've ever know to keep the flood from spreading, every option spent. So what do you do, you make sure life goes on, but far enough from the Halos so that the chances of finding them, and the flood, are very remote. Also, if the rings killed all sentient life, then why are there Covenant? Don't doubt Bungie on this, I expect that they will explain all this in Halo 3. But wouldn't it be cool if Humans were the Forunner. The Covenant's lords, and their greatest enemy. That would make a good ending.



Where are you guys getting that the flood can hibernate. It might be a sensible theory that they hibernate, but what i'm saying is that you guys need to support your points with things from the books, games etc. It was never mentioned in those materials that the flood can hibernate. Just because it made sense, it doesn't mean that it is true. What do you mean EVERYONE knows that the flood hibernates? What, are YOU writing the story or making the game?

Do you know the flood. How long do you know they last without food? YOU, yourself would get hungry in a day, but how would you know the flood. Please check your logic, so that it isn't that easy to attack!!!!

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Posted by: SPARTAN IIIDELTA
EDIT, NOTE: PLEASE READ MY LOGIC(POINTS) CLEARLY, THEN ATTACK MY LOGIC.

If the halos were designed to kill the food of the flood and ULTIMATELY kill the flood and it worked in many simulations according to 343 guilty spark. Then the halos didn't do their job the first time the forerunners activated them. Proof you ask?

THE FLOOD IS STILL HERE and we are fighting them. I read some guy's "hot topic" post about how the world is going to END anyways and i kinda agree. If the HALOs didn't work back then, then why would it be any better now. I don't know HOW bungie will explain this in HALO 3.

CONCLUSION(EDIT),

THE FORERUNNERS BASICALLY DIED FOR NOTHING, IN OTHER WORDS "COMMITTED SUICIDE".

CAN ANYONE ACTUALLY PROVE ME WRONG AND SUPPORTED WITH REAL FACTS FROM BOOKS, GAMES....ETC. Not just like it all magically happened

Maybe the halos only delay the flood?


Ok. I've read some pretty dumb stuff, posted by some pretty dumb people (8 year olds) and this comes 3rd.

Anyway. 343 mentions that there are multiple simulation protocalls and "1" yes "1" actually drill where the halo's were only activated once. and it doesent kill the flood, it kills their food. not them. their food. which killed off their main battle things, but the spores can most likely lay dormant, frozen even, and when the covvies came and unlocked them, they unfrozeand became active again.

so that is proof you are wrong. from the game. halo's only activated once. and gravemind also told the arbiter that the forunners knew what they were doing. killed all sentiant life "WITH A SUSTAINABLE BIOMASS" and over the 100,000 years, that non-sustainable biomass became sustainable and the called themselves the covenant. they went to halo, relaesed flood. the end. now shutta your face. dumbass.

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Posted by: SPARTAN IIIDELTA
EDIT, NOTE: PLEASE READ MY LOGIC(POINTS) CLEARLY, THEN ATTACK MY LOGIC.

If the halos were designed to kill the food of the flood and ULTIMATELY kill the flood and it worked in many simulations according to 343 guilty spark. Then the halos didn't do their job the first time the forerunners activated them. Proof you ask?

THE FLOOD IS STILL HERE and we are fighting them. I read some guy's "hot topic" post about how the world is going to END anyways and i kinda agree. If the HALOs didn't work back then, then why would it be any better now. I don't know HOW bungie will explain this in HALO 3.

CONCLUSION(EDIT),

THE FORERUNNERS BASICALLY DIED FOR NOTHING, IN OTHER WORDS "COMMITTED SUICIDE".

CAN ANYONE ACTUALLY PROVE ME WRONG AND SUPPORTED WITH REAL FACTS FROM BOOKS, GAMES....ETC. Not just like it all magically happened

Maybe the halos only delay the flood?


Ok. I've read some pretty dumb stuff, posted by some pretty dumb people (8 year olds) and this comes 3rd.

Anyway. 343 mentions that there are multiple simulation protocalls and "1" yes "1" actually drill where the halo's were only activated once. and it doesent kill the flood, it kills their food. not them. their food. which killed off their main battle things, but the spores can most likely lay dormant, frozen even, and when the covvies came and unlocked them, they unfrozeand became active again.

so that is proof you are wrong. from the game. halo's only activated once. and gravemind also told the arbiter that the forunners knew what they were doing. killed all sentiant life "WITH A SUSTAINABLE BIOMASS" and over the 100,000 years, that non-sustainable biomass became sustainable and the called themselves the covenant. they went to halo, relaesed flood. the end. now shutta your face. dumbass.


First of all, you're a dumbass because your reading comprehension is horrible. I clearly know what i'm talking about and you need to read THROROUGHLY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that halos kill the food. You just made yourself look like a (i qoute you) "an 8 year old" retard.

  • 06.16.2006 3:00 PM PDT

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