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Subject: a return of echo four 19? Explains sarges survival aswell
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i was just playin halo CE and i was playing the last level, the maw, where echo four nineteen supposedly dies, i just realised though, if you watch her flight path you never see her explode or crash, you just se her round a corner and assume shes dead, what if she managed to reecover and collected sargeant johnson in the process? Just a thought, what do you guys think?

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  • 06.16.2006 4:23 AM PDT
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I think its great if they bring back Echo 419. I missed her in Halo 2, and I liked the chatter she had with Cortana and marines. I bet she was a hot pilot too. Bring her back I say.

  • 06.16.2006 4:27 AM PDT
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sorry she died
But 4 people did survive
they are seargant johnson, lietanent haverson hes from oni, the pilot cant rmember her name, and a odst they escaped on a pelican it is in the beginning of halo first strike.It explain it fully.

  • 06.16.2006 4:33 AM PDT
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actually, the pilot gets vaporized, the ODST guy blows himself up, and haverson and an admiral go on a suicide mission to smoke a covenant base.... so only johnson lives... sorry if I ruined the book for ya.

  • 06.16.2006 5:02 AM PDT
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Yeah, you did, all they needed to know was that thos people got off the ship...DELETE THE SPOILER POST. It just isn't very nice.

  • 06.16.2006 5:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: somebloke
sorry she died
But 4 people did survive
they are seargant johnson, lietanent haverson hes from oni, the pilot cant rmember her name, and a odst they escaped on a pelican it is in the beginning of halo first strike.It explain it fully.

You realize the books are not directly affiliated with the games, correct?

  • 06.16.2006 5:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: SniperLegend12
Posted by: somebloke
sorry she died
But 4 people did survive
they are seargant johnson, lietanent haverson hes from oni, the pilot cant rmember her name, and a odst they escaped on a pelican it is in the beginning of halo first strike.It explain it fully.

You realize the books are not directly affiliated with the games, correct?


Actually,they are game canon. It's just that since not everyone has read the book, Bungie won't use al the book's references. It just would not make much sense to almost everyone.

  • 06.16.2006 5:19 AM PDT
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You realise your completely wrong, correct?
The books and games are CANNON. They relate directly with one another the events of The Flood were happening in the backround while MC was fighting in all those battles. 419 does get shot down and even if she were to regain control the two banchees behind her would have finished her off.

Actually,they are game canon. It's just that since not everyone has read the book, Bungie won't use al the book's references. It just would not make much sense to almost everyone.

they have made references to the book "The Fall of Reach" in the first few lines on Halo 2 "The fleet that attacked REACH was three times this size" and when cortana says that I've never felt a covenant AI this strong. There are plenty of references to the books and the game, and they ARE directly affiliated.

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  • 06.16.2006 5:19 AM PDT
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True. But I don't think they will bring back Echo 419, and say that's how Johnson got off Halo, since the books are already out. I think the First Strike explanation is good enough. It would be silly to go against something that's already been established.

  • 06.16.2006 5:21 AM PDT
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The books are canon. That's funny.

  • 06.16.2006 5:22 AM PDT
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aww common, at least he made an honest attempt to combat stupidity.

  • 06.16.2006 5:23 AM PDT
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Um... actually, canon is the correct term. YOU got it wrong, not him. I was laughing at the fact that you BOTH think they are canon.

  • 06.16.2006 5:25 AM PDT
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oops..

"the pilot gets vaporized"

wasn't she on the hull of the ship when they were in slipspace, and got hit by one of the plasma waves caused by the covennt ships firing?

  • 06.16.2006 5:25 AM PDT
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I've heard it before....I was paraphrasing someone else.... v . v

*melts under intense flame*

  • 06.16.2006 5:26 AM PDT
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"actually, canon is the correct term. YOU got it wrong, not him. I was laughing at the fact that you BOTH think they are canon."

OOps then, ive always seen it spelled that way on SW forums "THE GREAT CANNON DEBATE"

but they are canon, how coulds they be anything else?

  • 06.16.2006 5:27 AM PDT
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But still it would be A good twist. Even if Echo419 Came bck like johnson with the Wierd Flood-Like powers. I would think it is cool

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E419 was never infected by the flood. She was exploded. Simple as that.

The only 'power' Sgt Johnson has is the regenerative effect the flood have.

  • 06.16.2006 5:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: tomkiller
but they are canon, how coulds they be anything else?

If Bungie were to use a Spartan in Halo 3 that was killed in a book, without explaining why, then what would you say?

Bungie has the right to do whatever they want in their game, regardless of what the books have stated. I can't see Bungie doing this, but they could. If something were canon, then it couldn't be superceded.

  • 06.16.2006 6:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: somebloke
sorry she died
But 4 people did survive
they are seargant johnson, lietanent haverson hes from oni, the pilot cant rmember her name, and a odst they escaped on a pelican it is in the beginning of halo first strike.It explain it fully.


You are correct...and the pilot was Polaski.

  • 06.16.2006 6:26 AM PDT

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Yes, I loved Foehammer...maybe they could show a cutscene or have a level where either Arbiter or MC rescue more prisoners, and one of them could be Foehammer...u never see her blow up and now we know that covenant do take prisoners. THere was also enough time for them to taake her to an orbiting ship, this could be possible right?

  • 06.16.2006 6:28 AM PDT
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Well, no one saw a body, so anything's possible.

  • 06.16.2006 6:44 AM PDT
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Cut the friggin' spoilers already, I bet I can sum up everything that happens in the books because of you people's big mouths.

  • 06.16.2006 6:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: Heretic Leader 7
Cut the friggin' spoilers already, I bet I can sum up everything that happens in the books because of you people's big mouths.


Better hurry up and read them! >.< I loved them.

  • 06.16.2006 6:50 AM PDT

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