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Subject: Humans are not the forerunners, they are the RECLAIMERS
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Posted by: Wuyie
The origins of the Flood play more of a role to understanding the key plot point of Halo more than any other topic or character including the Chief. Remember Gravemind's words "I am a testament to all your sins"


i agree, the flood do play a huge role in the Halo story line
but the Gravemind actually said, " I am the monument of your sins"
not testament

  • 06.16.2006 9:08 AM PDT
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The flood are a race too. He was talking about how building the Halos are key to the floods survival. Just as we think Pandas or Condors can't survive in the wild, he thinks with the flood. We put Padas and Condors in zoos/reaserch centers, they put the flood in the halos. Moslty because they were dangours, but the Forerunners also respected them that they are living things. This way if they broke free they wouldnt be able to infect living things, maybe a few animals, but not a civilization.

  • 06.16.2006 9:10 AM PDT
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The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce.



OK SERIOUSLY ppl this is really cut and dry.

who built the rings?
- the forerunner

who was fighting for survival?
-the forerunner

who was trying to study the flood?
-the forerunner

pieces it all together and its clear that GS is talkin about the forerunner. I mean, he wants the flood DEAD. that's why he goes thru such great lengths to follow the protocol

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Posted by: Wuyie
Maybe humans arent the Forerunners..perhaps the Chief is the first Forerunner. This could be caused by a time anomaly where the Chief was somehow sent back 100,000 yrs. If the Ark is a transport that travles through Slipspace and it was used during the firing of the Rings a disruption may occur where this is possible. THis would also explain 343's comments to the Chief that seem to indicate he has met him before, like when he mentions that "You asked me ths before and after having considerable time to think of it.."


in the fall of reach or first strike
they had an artifact in there ship and during slipspace something weird happened
and if i remember correctly, they were trying to get somewhere fast
and ended up making it really early or something like that

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  • 06.16.2006 9:11 AM PDT
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Break the sentece into fragments

The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood- Okay that is the subject of the sentance.( sorry about my spelling)

Their survival as a race was dependent upon it.- Notice he did not change talking about the flood. He did not say forerunner, he is still talking about the flood.

am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce.- Again he is still talking about the flood. I do beileve forerunners are human. If you want I can post my reasons.

  • 06.16.2006 9:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: Wuyie
The origins of the Flood play more of a role to understanding the key plot point of Halo more than any other topic or character including the Chief. Remember Gravemind's words "I am a testament to all your sins"


i agree, the flood do play a huge role in the Halo story line
but the Gravemind actually said, " I am the monument of your sins"
not testament


Kul, This means that he i saying:

I am an evil relic you created (the forerunners created the flood.)
Humans=Flood
Ark provides safty for the forerunners 100 years ago who came to Earth and the Ark to be protected from the activated rings.
Also Guilty Spark knew about the humans because he was monitering them as soon as they got there (if you look in the Conversations book in LE Halo2.)
He was talking about (the creators) reproducing; and the Flood did not build the rings.
Convinced!

  • 06.16.2006 9:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dark Falcon08
as said by 343 Guilty Spark and 2401 Penatit Tangent
we are the reclaimers

if we were the forerunners, the monitor would have never told the Sentinels to kill us
the sentinels were made by the forerunners to protect any outbreak of the flood

also, one of the 2 monitors also said that the forerunners died long ago
they would have never said that if the humans were there
they probably would have said, "Ohh great forerunners, you have returned"
something like that

again, for the last time, the humans aren't the forerunners
THEY ARE THE RECLAIMERS

which have yet to discover why they are the reclaimers and how they have anything to do with the forerunners


In order to RE-CLAIM something, you would have to already have been there. Also, 343 never said the Forrunner died. Go back and play Halo1. You are wrong.


Arbiter: "And those who made the Rings? What happened to the Forerunners?"
343: "After exausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They and all additional sentient life died... as planned. Would you like to see the relevant data?"

If only Tartarus asked to see the relevant data, then all this nonsense about the Forerunners being alive would not exist.

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yeah, they got trapped in slipspace and if im correct
there were other ships firing at them or something like that
and being that Cortana was in the ship, that could explain why she would know
but i think that Cortana knows most of MC's past and future because she went inside a bunch of forerunner structures and gain a lot of knowledge from that

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The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce.


*sigh* ok time to see if college level english is worth the $14,000

The installation was specifically built to study and contain the flood

who built it? the forerunners

Their survival as a race was dependent on it

alright, heres the proof: Their is the subject. Survival is the action. Now "their" refers specifically to who built the installation. why? because of a break in the clause to introduce a new subject.

if GS was refering to the flood, he would have said "............study and contain the Flood, whose survival was dependant on it.

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Posted by: CaptainRidley
Break the sentece into fragments

The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood- Okay that is the subject of the sentance.( sorry about my spelling)

Their survival as a race was dependent upon it.- Notice he did not change talking about the flood. He did not say forerunner, he is still talking about the flood.

am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce.- Again he is still talking about the flood. I do beileve forerunners are human. If you want I can post my reasons.


He did not mension the "forerunners" because that name is made by the humans. The Flood are probley the forerunners (a genetic enharncment gone wrong) Also what were the first Flood found on the ring by MC? "forerunners!" Now these Flood you first ecountered where they like humans, YES!

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Posted by: Heretic Leader 7
Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: Dark Falcon08
as said by 343 Guilty Spark and 2401 Penatit Tangent
we are the reclaimers

if we were the forerunners, the monitor would have never told the Sentinels to kill us
the sentinels were made by the forerunners to protect any outbreak of the flood

also, one of the 2 monitors also said that the forerunners died long ago
they would have never said that if the humans were there
they probably would have said, "Ohh great forerunners, you have returned"
something like that

again, for the last time, the humans aren't the forerunners
THEY ARE THE RECLAIMERS

which have yet to discover why they are the reclaimers and how they have anything to do with the forerunners


In order to RE-CLAIM something, you would have to already have been there. Also, 343 never said the Forrunner died. Go back and play Halo1. You are wrong.


Arbiter: "And those who made the Rings? What happened to the Forerunners?"
343: "After exausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They and all additional sentient life died... as planned. Would you like to see the relevant data?"

If only Tartarus asked to see the relevant data, then all this nonsense about the Forerunners being alive would not exist.


yes, 343 said that them and all sentient life died within Halo range
and if they did se the relevant data, we would know a lot more
i think that we will se that data sometime in Halo 3

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Posted by: Wuyie
Gruntbuster i couldnt understand your post...however to I think that the fact the Convie believe the Forerunners went on a "GReat Journey" and that the Ark is a transport is not a coincidence. The Ark would most likely be used to jump whoever is in it far away from the blast radius of the Rings. Space an TIme being linked this could cause problems. There is a time loop here involving the Chief, the rings, the ark. These eevents are all dependant on each other, and need to repeat for each to exist. Like a set of domineos being knocked. The chief firees the rings and uses the Ark to jump to safety. He is sent back in time with the Ark and current tech, and possibly with Cortana. He is then trapped there. He starts a society which then evolves from that point of tech forward for 100,000 years. they create the Rings. Which the chief finds a 100,000 yrs later. Then it repeats


wow, that is deep

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Lets try this example.

"I put the humans on Earth. Their survival as a race depended on it."
Okay notice how the entire sentece was talking about Humans. It does not indicate talking about another race.

This is what 343 is talking about. THE FLOOD. Not the forerunners. The Halos were made to contain the flood. It is the only place they have to live without wiping out a civilization. When the forerunners activavted the rings it should of killed all of the flood. But it didnt. 343 is happy that some of them lived. He wasnt talking about the forerunners. He knows about the ark. He knew they went to Earth to survive the Halos. He knew the forerunners were still alive.

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The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce

seriously this is the most rock solid and basic evidence there is that humans= forerunners


oh and the time idea was nice.......until someone slapped down a paradox that contraicted events in the timeline that would make the whole series impossible.........but he got banned (LoL) for being a hothead. but what he said made a lot of sense.........

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dude, i see where your coming from , but think about it:

The flood are not the ones trying to SURVIVE. the Forerunner (humans) are.

  • 06.16.2006 9:29 AM PDT

<\ But this winter won't last, darlin'.
>> * Not forever
>>(.....\\ . >And when new hands
>>set to tending this earth they'll till my pieces under.
> > Grind them into the veins of gold I've laid.
<\ Then the roots of all they plant will >wind around us--- <\ KEEPING
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<\ For an eternal summer that will not fade.

He's glad to see the Chief because a Reclaimer is here...at last! So he can activate Halo. Also, this rampant theory going around that the Ark is some sort of time machine and that the Chief is a Forerunner gone forward in time 100,000 years. Is just stupid. Read the books darn you!

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce

seriously this is the most rock solid and basic evidence there is that humans= forerunners


oh and the time idea was nice.......until someone slapped down a paradox that contraicted events in the timeline that would make the whole series impossible.........but he got banned (LoL) for being a hothead. but what he said made a lot of sense.........


okay, this is very simple and easy to figure out
that quote you had, 343 was talking about THE FLOOD
not the forerunners
get it through your head, 343 was glad to see that some of the flood survived to reproduce

  • 06.16.2006 9:31 AM PDT

Hated by many, confronted by none.

Reclaimers are probably the monitors name for the forerunners. It was the Covenants who gave them the name forerunners. They probably called themselves something else. Like reclaimers

  • 06.16.2006 9:32 AM PDT

Hated by many, confronted by none.

And I agree with my pal ICEMAN ASSASS1N

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Posted by: DeclinedShadow
Reclaimers are probably the monitors name for the forerunners. It was the Covenants who gave them the name forerunners. They probably called themselves something else. Like reclaimers


okay, the monitors aren't the reclaimers if they called MC a reclaimer
monitors can't be reclaimers because the sentinels can't activate Halo

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